13:49:51 RRSAgent has joined #lld 13:49:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc 13:49:56 rrsagent, bookmark 13:49:56 See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T13-49-56 13:50:00 zakim, this will be lld 13:50:00 ok, TomB; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 13:50:06 Meeting: LLD XG 13:50:11 antoine has joined #lld 13:50:12 Chair: Tom 13:50:33 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0035.html 13:51:02 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html 13:51:40 I have to send last minutes regrets, sorry 13:52:08 Regrets: Bernard, Carlo, Andras, Dickson, Jonathan, Fumiihiro, Wolfgang, Felix, Stu 13:52:17 rrsagent, please make minutes public 13:52:17 I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', TomB. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:52:22 regrets+ Michael 13:52:58 rrsagent, please make record public 13:53:13 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:53:20 +[IPcaller] 13:54:21 jneubert has joined #lld 13:54:45 +michaelp 13:55:32 +[IPcaller] 13:55:47 +michaelp.a 13:56:25 Andras has joined #lld 13:56:38 zakim, IPcaller is Tom 13:56:38 +Tom; got it 13:56:42 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:56:42 On the phone I see antoine, michaelp, Tom, michaelp.a 13:56:42 GordonD has joined #lld 13:56:58 JonP has joined #lld 13:57:18 ww has joined #lld 13:57:21 rsinger has joined #lld 13:57:36 +??P17 13:57:44 zakim, ??P17 is really me. 13:57:44 +kai; got it 13:57:59 jodi has joined #LLD 13:58:08 zakim, mute me 13:58:08 kai should now be muted 13:58:16 michaelp has joined #lld 13:58:26 + +0789798aaaa 13:58:39 zakim, aaaa is william 13:58:39 +william; got it 13:58:57 +jodi 13:59:28 ahoughton has joined #lld 13:59:41 +jeff.a 13:59:56 + +1.607.785.aabb 13:59:58 +jneubert 14:00:11 + +0361279aacc 14:00:17 could someone remind me of the keybindings for mute/unmute? 14:00:30 +??P25 14:00:40 ww: Conferees can mute themselves by dialing 61#. In that case, unmute is 60#. 14:00:47 ww: from http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot 14:00:49 zakim, aabb is me 14:00:51 jodi: ty 14:00:52 sorry, JonP, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' 14:00:53 + +03315379aadd 14:01:07 +[LC] 14:01:09 zakim, aadd is me 14:01:09 +emmanuelle_; got it 14:01:22 +??P37 14:01:28 zakim, jon is me 14:01:28 +JonP; got it 14:01:34 fsasaki has joined #lld 14:01:49 zakim, ??P25 is really me 14:01:49 +rsinger; got it 14:02:00 edsu has joined #lld 14:02:05 digikim has joined #lld 14:02:08 hello 14:02:14 +??P43 14:02:15 ok, I just called in 14:02:19 Kim Viljanen 14:02:20 +??P38 14:02:51 Scribe: JonP 14:02:56 Scribenick: JonP 14:03:10 (first time using this + first time calling with skype to ordinary phone so still learning + first time installed skype on this new computer, so configuration not done) :) 14:03:13 Zakim, ?p43 is me 14:03:15 +[LC] 14:03:16 Zakim, LC is edsu 14:03:22 zakim, code? 14:03:25 sorry, AlexanderH, I do not recognize a party named '?p43' 14:03:28 +edsu; got it 14:03:29 the conference code is 55394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Andras 14:03:39 +??P44 14:04:48 +[IPcaller] 14:04:57 ray has joined #lld 14:05:00 Nico has joined #lld 14:05:26 gneher has joined #lld 14:06:36 Zakim, ww is william 14:06:36 sorry, ww, I do not recognize a party named 'ww' 14:06:47 Zakim, william is ww 14:06:47 +ww; got it 14:07:43 + +1.330.289.aaee 14:07:54 +Oreste 14:08:15 61# 14:08:26 http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#lld@irc.w3.org:6665 14:08:36 JonP: tweet it 14:08:37 hi everyone 14:08:42 Or -- with the channel Mibbit direct link to share with those not on IRC: http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.w3.org:6665&channel=%23lld 14:08:48 I'm trying to join telecon :) 14:08:51 I'm using http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc -- working ok (didn't have time to join by my ordinary irc client) 14:09:16 zakim, mute me 14:09:16 sorry, AlexanderH, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:09:41 must I mute myself also from the phone conference system or is skype mute enough? 14:09:58 if your line is not noisy, skype mute should be ok 14:10:04 kai: ok, great 14:10:08 kcoyle has joined #lld 14:10:51 Topic: Administrative 14:11:36 Marcia has joined #Lld 14:11:45 RESOLVED: accept minutes of previous telecon 14:11:56 I can't join the conference room 14:11:56 Those minutes are here btw: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html 14:12:41 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons 14:13:07 Antoine: discussing generated minutes process 14:13:39 code has changed since last week ? 14:13:45 TomB: Part of our routine should be to include a link in the minutes to the wiki page 14:13:58 TomB: Introductions redux 14:14:01 I was not 14:14:09 yes, I was here last time 14:14:16 Andrew Houghton, OCLC 14:14:25 hello all & world :) 14:15:45 I was here but did not introduce myself 14:15:50 William: Open knowledge foundation 14:16:01 i.m currently working with rdf representations of frbr, frad and isbd (ifla standards) and rda, vmf and other related stuff - i'm also a practicing cataloguer of 25 years experience 14:16:20 Joachim Neubert, German National Library of Economics 14:16:47 (please add to action items -- "send introduction to listserv" -- and specify which one ;) ) 14:17:12 TomB: mailing lists 14:17:22 Guenther Neher, Universitiy of Appied Sciences, interested in educational aspects 14:17:42 + +049238aaff 14:17:56 q+ please add to action items -- "send introduction to listserv" -- and specify which one ;) 14:18:01 s/Appied Sciences/Applied Sciences Potsdam/ 14:18:13 Kim Viljanen, Aalto University (Helsinki, Finland); interested in Linked Open Data; ontology repositories; our research group has been working on e.g. cultural heritage, health, government, etc etc + ontologies + apps + etc 14:18:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html fsasaki 14:18:19 q+ to add actions 14:18:23 TomB: 2 lists, one specifically focused on the work of the XG 14:18:27 http://www.seco.tkk.fi (our research group: Semantic Computing Research Group SeCo) 14:18:27 yes I am in 14:18:46 TomB: the other is completely open for community participation 14:19:00 TomB: cross-posting is encouraged 14:21:26 ACTION: All group members should please post and introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld 14:22:29 ACTION: Antoine to clean up mailing list on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action01] 14:22:33 --CONTINUES 14:23:05 :) 14:24:57 who is an experienced scribent? 14:25:04 TomB: scribing duties will rotate. Everyone scribes unless Tom grants an indulgence 14:25:22 Topic: Use Cases 14:26:14 Here is said email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0040.html 14:26:34 Antoine: sent a message to start the process of gathering use cases 14:27:03 q+ to ask about the type of use cases 14:27:10 (antoine's sound is slightly distorted... difficult to hear...) 14:27:18 antoine, you wanted to add actions 14:27:24 I can hear you 14:27:28 Antoine:key is feedback from the broader community for incorporation into the use case document 14:27:36 jneubert, you wanted to ask about the type of use cases 14:28:23 jneubert: challenging or typical use cases? 14:28:40 Antoine:both -- open to both kinds 14:30:04 q+ to ask about use case methodology 14:30:15 ack emmanuelle 14:30:15 emmanuelle_, you wanted to ask about use case methodology 14:30:25 Antoine: We will write the use cases ourselves based on gathered use cases from the community 14:30:58 Semantic Web Usage Cases: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ 14:31:07 emmanuelle_: should the use cases follow the form of the semantic web use cases 14:31:14 q+ to suggest that SWEO use cases might set the bar too high 14:31:28 TomB, you wanted to suggest that SWEO use cases might set the bar too high 14:31:48 Antoine: we should focus on use cases more specific to our community 14:32:06 TomB: the SWEO use cases are quite polished 14:32:19 oreste has changed the topic to: LLD-XG Telecon 2010-06-10 (oreste) 14:32:23 TomB: and may be more than we need 14:32:59 TomB: we want to capture work in progress, as problems emerge, and are simpler/shorter than SWEO 14:33:11 +1 14:33:22 +1 14:33:30 +1 14:33:39 +1 14:33:40 +1 14:33:49 Antoine: consensus seems to be emerging :-) 14:33:56 +1 14:33:59 q+ 14:34:08 i'd love to contribute 14:34:27 i am happy to contribute some embryonic use cases 14:34:43 michaelp: contributing or curating use cases? 14:34:50 -GordonD 14:34:58 http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ has some cataloging use cases/ site seems down 14:35:05 Antoine: I would be interested, but I'm not yet completely sure about the goals of this XG (first meeting for me today) 14:35:33 q+ to recommend as first step some framing details about the use cases to gather 14:35:37 Do we focus on library use cases or "border lines" are accepted too ? 14:35:42 Antoine: it depends on who is interested. We should first determine who will be performing the editor role 14:35:55 http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ is available 14:36:17 kai++ framing details useful 14:36:22 q+ 14:37:01 hvdsomp has joined #lld 14:37:15 kai, you wanted to recommend as first step some framing details about the use cases to gather 14:37:24 Has the bristol bridge gone down - I've been cut off 14:37:32 Antoine: it would seem that the XG wouldn't restrict the use cases initially 14:38:06 I think we should emphasize the usefulness of Linked Data in multidisciplinary approach. In this sense, border line UC should be considered 14:38:07 +1 that the first step should be to define the framework for use cases 14:38:16 +1 14:38:19 Gordon: I am also using Bristol 14:38:32 kai: we should decide whether we want to create a template for submitted use cases 14:39:05 kai: as a first step. There is one that could be used 14:39:09 oreste++ very interested in supporting collaboration outside library+obvious partners 14:39:17 -marcia 14:40:23 GordonD: I am on the bristol bridge, no problems here 14:40:34 ACTION: Antoine and kai to prepare a template for use cases. Kai to contibute a template from the provinance group 14:41:39 Antoine: is the timeline in the agenda acceptable? 14:42:01 +1 14:42:21 TomB: suggest we consider this a strawman timeline and refine as we go 14:42:22 +1 14:42:43 +1 14:42:51 TOPIC: Karen Demo 14:42:52 +1 14:43:17 karen: we need something that we can use to take the lld work on the road 14:44:17 s/one that could be used/one that could be used from the Prov XG 14:44:29 KCoyle: looking to create some visualizations and presentations 14:44:50 can you reuse things on slideshare? 14:44:55 i mean, individual slides... 14:44:59 TomB: Powerpoint? First step is to create a wiki page and upload existing presentations 14:45:15 +1 for openoffice 14:45:20 yeah, maybe not ... i guess just putting them on the wiki is fine 14:45:40 you can download slides as registered user 14:45:46 TomB: an opportunity to create public slides, Creative Commons attribution to this group 14:45:57 edsu: I think putting them on the wiki, and copying elsewhere (e.g. slideshare) would be useful 14:46:00 it's a really good idea 14:46:03 openoffice or slidy (and having a pdf version, too) 14:46:18 I wonder whether slideshare license policy is compatible with W3C one 14:46:19 ACTION: TomB and KCoyle will create a page for presentations and will upload some slides 14:46:34 so i don't have to make any slides for my presentation next week :-) 14:46:48 edsu++ # that was my plan, too 14:47:05 ah, slidy is awesome: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/ -- can link to particular slides 14:47:14 jodi: +1 14:47:26 rsinger: ok we've got laziness down, now we just need some hubris and impatience :-) 14:47:33 KCoyle: presentations in multiple formats, multiple languages, some simpler than others 14:48:03 KCoyle: trying to present familiar information in an unfamiliar way 14:48:30 TOPIC: Next steps 14:48:54 wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics 14:49:06 TomB: we have a wiki page that is a brain dump of relevant topics 14:49:41 TomB: everyone should feel free to use the wiki to add items to the list 14:50:03 q+ 14:50:05 TomB: we should be looking to consolidate some of these items into task groups 14:50:13 TOPIC: telecons 14:50:55 TomB: we should hold June telecons even though it can be tough for some of us 14:51:08 TOPIC: summer telecons 14:51:33 TomB: there's a doodle link for people to indicate availability for July and August 14:51:56 Antoine: +1 14:52:09 ACTION: all group members should please go to http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy - indicate your availability 14:52:27 only a handful of people on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Topics&action=history 14:52:40 ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02] 14:52:46 --CONTINUES 14:52:59 tbaker, ebermes, mzeng, jschneider, jneubert 14:53:40 +1 14:53:44 +1 14:53:46 +1 14:53:47 +1 14:53:48 +1 14:53:53 +1 14:53:56 +1 14:53:58 +1 14:54:20 q+ 14:54:25 ACTION: ALL: members of the XG please add your name to the topics list to indicate where their interests lie 14:54:43 TOPIC: Face 2 face 14:54:53 is the travel costs funded by W3C or our own organizations? (newbie question) 14:55:03 no :-( 14:55:12 it should be your own org 14:55:18 ok 14:55:21 TOMB: propose meeting be held Saturday and Sunday 2324 October in Pittsburgh 14:55:34 ... but we link it to a nice motivating pair of conferences :-) 14:55:53 antoine: yep, noticed :) 14:56:01 colocated with ASIST: http://www.asis.org/asist2010/ and DC2010: http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/ 14:56:37 q+ on SWIB conf 14:56:45 antoine, you wanted to comment on SWIB conf 14:56:47 ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq 14:56:58 shoot, overlaps with ipres this year 14:57:22 the one in koln? 14:57:26 edsu, when is ipres? 14:57:30 Antoine: ISWC 2010 would be good meeting place 14:57:30 +1 for SWIB 14:57:52 s/ISWC 2010/SWIB 2010 14:57:58 SWIB 2010: http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html 14:58:14 Someone on JCDL/ICALD? 14:58:26 +1 for SWIB as parallel venue 14:58:47 (antoine: no I was trying to suggest ISWC as an additional possibility) 14:59:00 or ECDL 2010: http://www.ecdl2010.org/ ? 14:59:03 +1 for SWIB as well 14:59:05 whew, thanks :-) 14:59:05 +1 swib 14:59:07 no overlap with IPRES, its in september 14:59:23 can there be more options of dates in that week? 14:59:37 i mean, more aligned with DC2010 than ASIST? 14:59:48 TomB: we can explore alternative options to Pittsburgh in addition to indicating availability 15:00:25 TomB: upcoming topics 15:00:28 +1 swib 15:00:43 Community building and outreach: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RelatedGroups 15:01:00 -edsu 15:01:00 thank you & bye 15:01:01 Assessment of technology pieces and vocabularies: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Technology 15:01:02 thank you everyone. 15:01:03 -rsinger 15:01:05 -alexander 15:01:06 -ww 15:01:07 -andras 15:01:09 -gneher 15:01:10 -Nico 15:01:14 -ray 15:01:16 -michaelp.a 15:01:16 no reason why we can't stay on the irc channel :-) 15:01:17 bye bye 15:01:23 -jeff 15:01:24 if things come up, and you sit at a computer all day 15:01:28 +1 for SWIB. this group should present there. 15:01:29 [adjourned] 15:01:31 -Oreste 15:01:35 -kim 15:01:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html fsasaki 15:01:41 -michaelp 15:01:42 zakim, list attendees 15:01:45 -ahoughton 15:01:47 As of this point the attendees have been antoine, Tom, jeff, kai, +0789798aaaa, jodi, +1.607.785.aabb, jneubert, michaelp, +0361279aacc, +03315379aadd, emmanuelle_, andras, JonP, 15:01:50 ... ray, rsinger, kim, alexander, edsu, [IPcaller], fsasaki, ahoughton, ww, +1.330.289.aaee, Oreste, marcia, GordonD, +049238aaff, Nico 15:02:01 -hvdsomp 15:02:04 michaelp has left #lld 15:02:05 ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action03] 15:02:10 --CONTINUES 15:02:24 oreste has left #lld 15:02:33 Zakim -hvdsomp 15:02:38 -kai 15:03:10 Nico has left #lld 15:04:11 bye :) 15:04:17 -jodi 15:05:00 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:05:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html antoine 15:05:07 -jneubert 15:05:26 -emmanuelle_ 15:05:46 jodi has left #LLD 15:09:54 zakim, bye 15:09:54 leaving. As of this point the attendees were antoine, Tom, jeff, kai, +0789798aaaa, jodi, +1.607.785.aabb, jneubert, michaelp, +0361279aacc, +03315379aadd, emmanuelle_, andras, 15:09:54 Zakim has left #lld 15:09:57 ... JonP, ray, rsinger, kim, alexander, edsu, [IPcaller], fsasaki, ahoughton, ww, +1.330.289.aaee, Oreste, marcia, GordonD, +049238aaff, Nico 15:10:02 rrsagent, bye 15:10:02 I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-actions.rdf : 15:10:02 ACTION: All group members should please post and introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [1] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-21-26 15:10:02 ACTION: Antoine to clean up mailing list on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action01] [2] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-22-29 15:10:02 ACTION: Antoine and kai to prepare a template for use cases. Kai to contibute a template from the provinance group [3] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-40-34 15:10:02 ACTION: TomB and KCoyle will create a page for presentations and will upload some slides [4] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-46-19 15:10:02 ACTION: all group members should please go to http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy - indicate your availability [5] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-52-09 15:10:02 ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02] [6] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-52-40 15:10:02 ACTION: ALL: members of the XG please add your name to the topics list to indicate where their interests lie [7] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-54-25 15:10:02 ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq [8] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T14-56-47 15:10:02 ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action03] [9] 15:10:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc#T15-02-05 15:10:34 rsinger has left #lld