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16:01:19 <janina> zakim, call janina
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16:01:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:01:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
16:01:22 <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:01:23 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:23 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2010
16:01:38 <MikeSmith> zakim, call janina 
16:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:52 <MikeSmith> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
16:01:52 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:58 <MikeSmith> zakim, call janina 
16:01:58 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:01:59 <oedipus> regrets+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Gregory_Rosmaita
16:01:59 <Zakim> + +035850487aaaa
16:01:59 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:02:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:02:05 <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
16:02:05 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:06 <Zakim> +Mike
16:02:06 <Zakim> - +035850487aaaa
16:02:14 <Eliot> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
16:02:14 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:02:33 <Zakim> +Matt_May
16:02:35 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba, krisk, travil
16:02:35 <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk, travil; got it
16:02:42 <janina> zakim, drop janina
16:02:42 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
16:02:48 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:02:48 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:02:49 <Zakim> +Janina
16:03:03 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:03:08 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
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16:03:13 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
16:03:17 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0017.html
16:03:18 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status from Paul Cotton on 2010-06-10 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:03:23 <adrianba> Regrets: Laura Carlson
16:04:10 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
16:04:29 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
16:05:32 <adrianba> paulc: expect this meeting to be short
16:05:49 <adrianba> ...chairs have had limited availability and limited overlap to be able to move items forward
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16:05:55 <plh> zakim, passcode?
16:05:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), plh
16:05:56 <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thu Jun 10
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16:06:05 <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
16:06:05 <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
16:06:14 <adrianba> paulc: None this week
16:06:15 <MikeSmith> zakim, mute me
16:06:15 <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
16:06:26 <MikeSmith> action-181?
16:06:26 <trackbot> ACTION-181 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to explore extracting assertions from the HTML5 spec -- due 2011-05-03 -- OPEN
16:06:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/181
16:06:27 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-181 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:06:36 <Zakim> + +1.617.417.aabb
16:06:42 <MikeSmith> action-180?
16:06:42 <trackbot> ACTION-180 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to post more videos for testing -- due 2011-05-03 -- OPEN
16:06:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/180
16:06:44 <plh> zakim, aabb is me
16:06:44 <Zakim> +plh; got it
16:06:51 <plh> close action-180
16:06:51 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-180 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:51 <trackbot> ACTION-180 Post more videos for testing closed
16:06:52 <plh> close action-181
16:06:52 <trackbot> ACTION-181 Explore extracting assertions from the HTML5 spec closed
16:06:58 <adrianba> paulc: could plh/krisk please close ISSUE 180 and 181
16:07:01 <adrianba>  TOPIC: Items that close this week (by Thu Jun 10)
16:07:01 <plh> done
16:07:07 <adrianba> paulc: there were none
16:07:14 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:07:20 <adrianba> paulc: None of these either.
16:07:30 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this week
16:07:46 <adrianba> paulc: none although agenda items 5/6 point to items we may be doing next week
16:07:58 <adrianba> ...there wasn't an opportunity to make decisions to get these done this week
16:08:03 <adrianba> TOPIC: Candidate new Calls for counter proposals next week
16:08:11 <adrianba> ISSUE-109?
16:08:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- open
16:08:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
16:08:13 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:16 <adrianba> ISSUE-110?
16:08:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open
16:08:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110
16:08:17 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:29 <adrianba> paulc: chairs plan to issue calls for counter proposals next week
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16:08:34 <adrianba> ...we have change proposals for these
16:08:44 <adrianba> ...we'd like to measure consensus by asking for counter proposals
16:08:49 <adrianba> TOPIC: Candidate new Calls for consensus next week
16:08:53 <adrianba> ISSUE-101?
16:08:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- open
16:08:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101
16:08:54 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-101 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:56 <adrianba> ISSUE-105?
16:08:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:08:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:08:58 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:00 <adrianba> ISSUE-107?
16:09:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
16:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
16:09:01 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:14 <adrianba> paulc: does anyone have comments?
16:09:22 <adrianba> ...plan to do a call for consensus
16:09:41 <adrianba> TOPIC: WG Decision Policy update
16:09:59 <adrianba> paulc: no update - maciej does the heavy lifting here
16:10:11 <adrianba> ...he has been on vacation so nothing has happened here recently
16:10:15 <adrianba> TOPIC: Survey results
16:10:28 <adrianba> paulc: survey results on 4 issues
16:10:37 <adrianba> ISSUE-93?
16:10:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open
16:10:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
16:10:38 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:40 <adrianba> ISSUE-95?
16:10:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
16:10:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:10:41 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:42 <adrianba> ISSUE-96?
16:10:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
16:10:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:10:45 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:45 <adrianba> ISSUE-97?
16:10:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
16:10:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:10:51 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:04 <adrianba> paulc: chairs haven't yet had a chance to discuss the results of these surveys
16:11:12 <adrianba> ...this will be item #1 on the agenda for monday
16:11:16 <adrianba> TOPIC: Heartbeat Working Drafts & First Public Working Drafts
16:11:37 <adrianba> paulc: anyone following public-html know that sam and paul put the request on hold late on tuesday
16:11:48 <adrianba> ...there has been lots of e-mail and changes are being made to the docs
16:11:56 <adrianba> ...one formal objection has been raised on a related issue
16:12:05 <adrianba> ...we will pick this up on monday in the chairs meeting
16:12:19 <adrianba> ...any comments?
16:12:29 <adrianba> ...okay, this is pending on the chairs
16:12:44 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
16:13:11 <adrianba> janina: news from the A11Y TF is that we have a complete proposal for issue-74
16:13:14 <adrianba> issue-74?
16:13:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open
16:13:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
16:13:15 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:25 <adrianba> janina: but we also plan to send a counter proposal
16:13:36 <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
16:13:36 <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
16:13:43 <adrianba> ...this may sound strange but we have two possible alternatives and we think implementers should comment on the options
16:14:07 <adrianba> paulc: you said proposal and counter proposal - does that mean more consensus for one or the other?
16:14:23 <adrianba> janina: i don't think people have a strong opinion on which is best - they both have strong merits
16:14:29 <adrianba> ...people want help deciding between them
16:14:45 <adrianba> paulc: can i say you have two alternate engineering proposals that solve this?
16:14:56 <adrianba> janina: we have two to consider but one that is ready to publish
16:15:01 <adrianba> ...that's pretty much it
16:15:13 <adrianba> ...the media sub tf is working through requirements, etc.
16:15:16 <MikeSmith> issue-9?
16:15:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:15:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:15:17 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:31 <adrianba> ...there is a lot of work here but it is proceeding
16:16:05 <adrianba> ...we wouldn't want to publish this document (the requirements) in its current form
16:16:14 <adrianba> ...but we think it does convey the central issues well
16:16:38 <adrianba> ...for example, not necessarily everyone is expected to do everything in the doc
16:16:51 <adrianba> ...the point is that the spec needs to support these use cases
16:17:02 <adrianba> ...otherwise there is no opporunity to provide the support some communities may need
16:17:19 <adrianba> ...multiple tracks of video, audio, text and some way to sync time on those
16:17:30 <adrianba> ...if you implement this then you would be expected to behave in this way
16:17:44 <adrianba> ...so some small devices might not be able to do all these things
16:17:56 <adrianba> ...just like not all authored content is required to do this
16:18:03 <adrianba> ...but it needs to be possible
16:18:52 <adrianba> janina: hcg suggested we try to get more of the industry involved in this space
16:19:15 <adrianba> ...i'm proceeding on the basis that this has the possibility of becoming _the_ next media platform
16:19:44 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
16:20:01 <adrianba> krisk: group met as planned on 6/1
16:20:11 <krisk> Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jun/0000.html
16:20:13 <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 6/1/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-06-01 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:20:31 <adrianba> krisk: plh was able to set up our automatic publishing from hg
16:20:33 <plh> http://test.w3.org/html/
16:20:34 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Testing area (at test.w3.org)
16:20:38 <krisk> see See -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jun/0002.html
16:20:39 <pimpbot> Title: test.w3.org and test2.w3.org from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2010-06-02 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:20:54 <adrianba> krisk: group is working on async harness proposed by jgraham
16:20:58 <adrianba> ...and some video tests
16:21:02 <adrianba> ...that's about it for now
16:21:23 <adrianba> ...meet again next tuesday - every second week - calendar is on the wiki
16:21:25 <plh> --> http://media.w3.org/2010/05/video/ Videos for testing
16:21:26 <pimpbot> Title: Index of /2010/05/video (at media.w3.org)
16:21:32 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
16:21:38 <adrianba> paulc: anything else people want to raise?
16:21:46 <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
16:21:52 <adrianba> paulc: any volunteers?
16:22:04 <adrianba> paulc: none heard
16:22:32 <adrianba> paulc: now that we will have 3 co-chairs back we will be able to push things along again
16:22:43 <adrianba> ...watch your mail on mon/tue
16:22:43 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
16:22:45 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:22:54 <adrianba> paulc: thanks everyone
16:22:54 <Zakim> -plh
16:22:56 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:22:57 <MikeSmith> zakim, drop Mike
16:22:57 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:22:57 <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
16:22:59 <Zakim> -Matt_May
16:22:59 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
16:22:59 <Zakim> -Janina
16:23:01 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:23:03 <Zakim> -Eliot
16:23:06 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:23:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:23:12 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:23:40 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
16:23:41 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:23:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], +035850487aaaa, Eliot, Matt_May, adrianba, krisk, travil, Janina, Bryan_Sullivan, Michael_Cooper, MikeSmith, +1.617.417.aabb, plh
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