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14:56:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:56:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:50 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:56:50 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2010
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14:57:43 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jun/0126.html
14:57:52 <MichaelC> chair: Janina_Sajka
14:57:57 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
14:58:04 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
14:58:06 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
14:58:52 <MichaelC> regrets: Laura_Carlson, Marco_Ranon, Steven_Faulkner, Denis_Boudreau, Ben_Caldwell
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14:59:32 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:59:40 <janina> zakim, call janina
14:59:40 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
14:59:42 <Zakim> +Janina
15:00:29 <MichaelC> regrets+ Silvia_Pfeiffer
15:01:04 <Zakim> +Matt_May
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15:03:22 <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
15:03:24 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:03:24 <Zakim> +Mike
15:03:31 <Zakim> +Rich
15:03:47 <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
15:03:47 <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
15:04:29 <janina> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Janina, Matt_May, kliehm (muted), MikeSmith, Rich
15:05:48 <MikeSmith> ah me
15:05:55 <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
15:05:55 <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
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15:06:22 <Zakim> +??P9
15:06:25 <chaals-> zakim, code?
15:06:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chaals-
15:07:00 <MichaelC> action-28 due 1 July
15:07:01 <trackbot> ACTION-28 - prepare text for SteveF's guidance document about future of data-mining using RDFPic methodology outlined in post to list due date now 1 July
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15:07:17 <MichaelC> action-44 due 1 July
15:07:17 <trackbot> ACTION-44 - monitor status of @alt in HTML5 spec; when SteveF's Alt Guidance is published, ensure that what is in SteveF's note supersedes or corrects HTML5 verbiage; propose changes to HTML5 based on SteveF's alt doc due date now 1 July
15:07:34 <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
15:07:34 <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
15:08:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:35 <chaals-> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
15:08:35 <Zakim> +chaals-; got it
15:09:48 <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
15:09:48 <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
15:10:19 <mattmay> js: subteam reports: canvas
15:11:16 <chaals> q+
15:11:19 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:11:20 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0054/2dcontext10-June-7.html
15:11:35 <chaals> ack me
15:11:41 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: Proposal for canvas focus ready for straw poll. More coming, but do we want to wait?
15:11:59 <oedipus> i/js: subteam reports/TOPIC: SubTeam Reports/
15:12:06 <mattmay> janina: How much delay are we talking about? 
15:12:31 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/ Survey on canvas proposal
15:12:39 <oedipus> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/ Canvas Draft Straw Poll
15:12:40 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: HTML WG already working on part of it. Need another piece.
15:13:39 <oedipus> i/action-28 due 1 July/TOPIC: Action Item Review/
15:13:50 <oedipus> q?
15:13:55 <mattmay> chaals: It should be clear that they all work together. Working on my part today.
15:14:07 <oedipus> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0054/2dcontext10-June-7.html Lastest 2D Canvas proposal from RichS
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15:14:20 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: Propose we look at 2D context, and wait for chaals' proposal.
15:14:32 <janina> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/
15:14:33 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/results
15:15:08 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: We can always take it to the TF with chaals' proposal.
15:15:14 <oedipus> isn't deadline 24 june 2010
15:15:56 <mattmay> janina: Would anyone here vote against it?
15:17:09 <mattmay> chaals: Should bring it to the WG. The larger group is going to make a larger-group decision better than the smaller group.
15:17:34 <mattmay> chaals: The outcome of either proposal is basically the same. Question is what authors will find easier to work with.
15:18:21 <oedipus> current results of Canvas poll: 7 yes submit now as-is and 1 submit with following changes (references chaals' work)
15:18:28 <mattmay> janina: Not sure what the point is in waiting for your proposal.
15:19:03 <mattmay> oedipus: Do you see this as an either/or proposition?
15:19:29 <mattmay> chaals: Yes. If you have both, it's going to be confusing for authors.
15:19:53 <mattmay> oedipus: Like aria-describedby vs. longdesc
15:21:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:21:26 <oedipus> i can live with chaals' plan
15:21:28 <mattmay> chaals: Should plan to take Rich's proposal forward and expect me to make a different proposal, or not.
15:21:57 <mattmay> MichaelC: Proposal set to close tomorrow.
15:22:10 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: Can't get a proposal to the WG before next week then, anyway.
15:22:18 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility
15:25:53 <oedipus> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: based on the results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/results take RichS' proposal to HTMLWG; Chaals will continue work on IMAGEMAP proposal and propose to TF or not
15:26:38 <mattmay> chaals: We have 2 possible approaches for ISSUE-74. They can work in concert, without breaking things. It's best to choose one over the other. Outcome would be better for HTML5.
15:26:48 <mattmay> chaals: Which one is better should be left to the larger group.
15:26:59 <mattmay> chaals: What matters is what authors are going to do.
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15:28:07 <oedipus> GJR notes that most blind/VI devs and programmers and site maintainers have a preference for the IMAGEMAP approach
15:28:54 <mattmay> chaals: My proposal for ISSUE-74 automatically resolves ISSUE-105.
15:29:13 <oedipus> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom Chaals' Change Proposal for CANVAS
15:29:55 <oedipus> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0054/2dcontext10-June-7.html RichS proposal for CANVAS (7 june 2010)
15:30:09 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
15:30:39 <oedipus> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibilitynonav Second Piece of RichS CANVAS proposal (with SteveF)
15:31:02 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
15:31:07 <oedipus> q?
15:32:34 <oedipus> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105 Issue-106 allow image maps on the canvas element Zakim (canvas-usemap)
15:33:14 <oedipus> s/Issue-106 allow image/Issue-105 allow image/
15:33:20 <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
15:33:20 <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
15:33:28 <mattmay> chaals: If the current proposals are accepted, ISSUE-74 is resolved. If my proposal is accepted, it will resolve both 74 and 105.
15:35:11 <oedipus> regrets+ Eric_Carlson
15:36:08 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: I think chaals' proposal is going to need some of the canvas API from ours. Caret tracking, for example.
15:36:15 <mattmay> chaals: caret tracking should stay in there.
15:38:32 <mattmay> janina: we can vote a resolution now and possibly vote on chaals' as a counterproposal later.
15:39:05 <mattmay> janina: What is 105 and what do we do with it?
15:39:44 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: If we have a counterproposal, do we leave 74 open?
15:39:50 <oedipus> s/element Zakim (canvas/element (canvas/
15:40:03 <mattmay> MikeSmith: I think so. Just mention more info is coming.
15:40:17 <mattmay> richardschwerdtfe: Would be a change to the 2D API. 
15:41:25 <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
15:41:25 <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
15:41:42 <mattmay> janina: So move ISSUE-74 by voting on the focus proposal, then work on closing 105 by saying there's a proposal on 74.
15:41:44 <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
15:41:45 <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
15:41:51 <oedipus> plus 1 to keep 105 open as HTML WG issue
15:42:09 <mattmay> chaals: If my proposal isn't accepted, 105 is still open.
15:42:36 <oedipus> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: based on the results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100610_canvas/results take RichS' proposal to HTMLWG; Chaals will continue work on IMAGEMAP proposal to satisfy HTML WG ISSUE-150
15:43:17 <chaals> Proposed resolution: HTML-a11y taskforce supports the proposal ... as a resolution for ISSUE-74. Note that we *expect* a counter-proposal (based on image maps) which we would also support, but believe the wider working group should choose between them.
15:45:02 <oedipus> matt, Rich's CANVAS proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0054/2dcontext10-June-7.html
15:47:37 <mattmay> RESOLUTION: HTML-a11y taskforce supports the proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0054/2dcontext10-June-7.html as a resolution for ISSUE-74. Note that we *expect* a counter-proposal (based on image maps) which we would also support, but believe the wider working group should choose between them.
15:47:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:47:50 <oedipus> plus 1
15:48:06 <janina> +!
15:48:11 <janina> +1
15:48:17 <richardschwerdtfe> +1
15:49:39 <mattmay> janina: media group
15:50:20 <mattmay> JF: Got some good questions. At this point, there are technical questions we need to resolve, but we've captured requirements. 
15:50:21 <oedipus> media group last meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-html-a11y-minutes.html
15:50:24 <mattmay> zakim, who's making noise?
15:50:34 <Zakim> mattmay, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rich (11%), John_Foliot (85%), chaals- (40%)
15:51:07 <mattmay> JF: We encourage people to continue to point to the document. Open to additional feedback.
15:51:34 <mattmay> JF: Would still like to hear from a broader community, incl. deaf-blind.
15:51:55 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
15:53:44 <Zakim> -kliehm
15:54:20 <mattmay> JF: Laura has asked for clarification on how to apply a11ytf keyword.
15:54:33 <oedipus> plus 1 to JF's agendum addition
15:55:45 <oedipus> Laura's weekly bug report: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jun/0055.html
15:56:05 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/06/03-html-a11y-minutes#item04 Last week's discussion on formal bug handling procedures
15:56:56 <janina> RESOLUTION: The TF reserves the right to assign the A11yTF keyword. However, the TF wishes Laura's guidance as to which bugs should receive that tag
15:58:03 <oedipus> zakim, who is noisy?
15:58:13 <Zakim> oedipus, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:58:16 <janina> RESOLUTION: The TF will assign the A11YTF keyword to any bugs deemed appropriate during its weekly teleconference meeting. However, the TF wishes Laura to advise it as to which bugs should be assigned that keyword.
15:58:30 <oedipus> plus 1
15:58:36 <JF> +1
15:58:45 <MikeSmith> no objectino from me
15:58:51 <janina> +1
15:59:12 <jongunderson> +1
15:59:46 <mattmay> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:59:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html mattmay
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16:00:25 <MikeSmith> I will be on
16:00:45 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:01:01 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop me
16:01:01 <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
16:01:01 <Zakim> -Janina
16:01:03 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
16:01:03 <Zakim> -chaals-
16:01:04 <Zakim> -Matt_May
16:01:04 <Zakim> -Rich
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16:02:29 <oedipus> zakim, please part
16:02:29 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, Janina, Matt_May, +49.179.103.aaaa, kliehm, Rich, MikeSmith, chaals-, Cynthia_Shelly
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16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:05:35 <oedipus> present+ Cynthia_Shelly, Gregory_Rosmaita, Chaals, John_Foliot, Matt_May, Michael_Cooper, MikeSmith, Rich, Cyns, Janina_Sajka, Jon_Gunderson, kliehm, Richard_Schwerdtfeger
16:05:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:06:43 <oedipus> present- +49.179.103.aaaa, chaals-, Cyns
16:06:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:08:36 <oedipus> i/RESOLUTION: The TF will assign the A11YTF keyword/scribenick+ janina/
16:08:42 <oedipus> i/no objectino/scribenick: mattmay/
16:08:47 <oedipus> s/no objectino/no objection/
16:08:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:09:30 <oedipus> i/RESOLUTION: The TF will assign the A11YTF keyword/scribe: janina/
16:09:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:26:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items