12:55:19 RRSAgent has joined #ssn 12:55:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc 12:55:37 rrsagent, bookmark 12:55:37 See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T12-55-37 12:55:51 zakim, this will be inc_ssn 12:55:51 ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 12:56:19 Meeting: SSN XG 12:56:28 Chair: Laurent 12:57:31 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0008.html 12:57:49 INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started 12:57:56 +[IPcaller] 12:58:02 rrsagent, please make record public 12:58:07 zakim, IPcaller is me 12:58:07 +Payam; got it 12:58:58 +[IPcaller] 12:59:14 michael has joined #ssn 12:59:15 zakim, IPCaller is me 12:59:15 +laurent_lefort_cs; got it 13:00:18 +??P6 13:00:34 ??P6 is me 13:01:27 +[IPcaller] 13:01:38 kerry has joined #ssn 13:01:40 zakim, [IPcaler] is me 13:01:40 sorry, michael, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaler]' 13:01:57 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 13:01:57 +michael; got it 13:01:58 Zakim, +??P6 is me. 13:01:59 sorry, vhuang, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6' 13:02:08 Arthur has joined #ssn 13:02:17 + +61.4.097.8.aaaa 13:02:38 +[IPcaller] 13:02:42 Zakim, ??P6 is me. 13:02:42 +vhuang; got it 13:02:55 zakim. +61.4.097 is me 13:03:49 zakim, +61.4.097.8.aaaa is me 13:03:49 +kerry; got it 13:04:39 krp has joined #ssn 13:04:44 zakim, who is here 13:04:44 laurent_lefort_cs, you need to end that query with '?' 13:04:48 zakim, who is here? 13:04:48 On the phone I see Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, vhuang, michael, kerry, Arthur 13:04:50 On IRC I see krp, Arthur, kerry, michael, RRSAgent, Zakim, vhuang, laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, trackbot 13:05:59 + +0238059aabb 13:06:14 zakin, +0238059aabb is me 13:06:20 zakim, +0238059aabb is me 13:06:20 +krp; got it 13:09:45 This is a test 13:11:33 I can help 13:11:39 cory has joined #ssn 13:12:03 Topic: Previous meeting 13:12:41 scribenick: vhuang 13:13:34 calling in now 13:13:40 sorry i'm late 13:13:42 + +1.937.775.aacc 13:13:57 Minutes from previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-ssn-minutes.html 13:14:26 Work plan Semantic Markup http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Mark_up 13:15:29 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Mappings_Deliverable 13:15:39 No comments on Semantic Mark up. 13:16:12 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Terminology_and_Term_Provenance_in_the_Ontology 13:19:28 Laurent: Can we add information saying which part of the ontology a class belongs to (e.g. like a suing skos:inScheme) ? 13:19:43 +q 13:19:56 s/suing/using/ 13:21:25 suggesting use a new annotation property for each "part" of the ontology -- and the annotation property may not be filled in (I'm not usre this quite makes sense) 13:21:39 maybe payams is beter 13:22:00 a different approach could be annotating new concepts or concetps that have been adapted from other ontologies 13:22:19 and preserving namespace for concepts which are directly included from external ontolgies 13:22:39 i am not comforatble with "preserving namespace" 13:23:31 Vote on the idea to group things together within the same OWL file: 13:23:38 +1 13:23:48 i don't get it either 13:24:01 i think we need a worked out proposal before voting on this 13:24:05 what are the groups? 13:24:16 ok 13:24:21 question: do we need an annotation? 13:24:29 +q 13:24:47 ack Payam 13:25:57 Michael: use the reference to the documentation page as the structuring/grouping method 13:26:05 Vote on Michael's proposal: 13:26:09 +1 13:27:52 +q 13:28:09 ack michael 13:28:21 ack kerry 13:28:22 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Terminology_and_Term_Provenance_in_the_Ontology 13:30:05 I like the idea to group concepts inside the owl file, but I am not sure how you would do it. (question to Laurent) 13:30:32 Kerry, using ontology as reference to the wiki when there is no automatic way to do it. 13:30:45 +q 13:31:18 Payam, using RDF "seeAlso" to the wiki page. 13:31:53 using kerry's proposal: RDF rdfs:comments + RDF rdf:seeAlso to refer to wiki page 13:32:49 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_utilvocab 13:33:27 +q 13:33:44 ack Payam 13:33:47 + +1.202.408.aadd 13:33:54 ack kerry 13:34:17 +q 13:34:48 lbermude has joined #ssn 13:35:10 Luis_Bermudez has joined #ssn 13:35:24 +q 13:36:10 ACTION: Kerry to add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations 13:36:11 Created ACTION-29 - Add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-06-15]. 13:36:24 Topic: Status/work plan for the Ontology deliverable 13:36:47 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology 13:40:24 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts 13:42:11 im here 13:43:28 +q 13:43:29 +q 13:44:03 Laurent describing the content of the two pages and the intent to identify the sub-deliverables of the Ontology work packages 13:45:58 Michael: Reminder that figure in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts does not reflect exactly the current ontology 13:49:30 Luis, we should have one wiki page where all ontology linked to each other. 13:51:15 +q 13:52:31 +q 13:52:41 ack kerry 13:53:35 Discussion on how the external ontologies are related to the XG ontology: extensions/examples or mappings 13:53:47 ack michael 13:53:50 ack michael 13:54:04 ack Luis_Bermudez 13:54:41 Luis will capture the differences between the ontologies. 13:55:27 +q 13:55:40 +q 13:55:50 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology 13:55:58 Ack Payam 13:57:08 Payam, we need to define the terminalogy first then see how it aligns with other ontology. 13:57:50 +q 13:58:26 Laurent, we need examples. 13:58:51 +q 13:59:22 ack Luis_Bermudez 13:59:27 ack michael 14:02:08 Michael, all these parts are linked together, they belong to the same ontology. 14:02:15 this makes a lot of sense to me -- as long as it all stays in the same file at the end 14:02:46 i think laurent is also suggesting examples in separate files -- i think we can do this too 14:03:46 +q 14:04:42 -kerry 14:06:46 soory folks -- it can wait 14:07:20 Topic: Issue 5-7 14:07:39 ISSUE-5 Separation of examples - Delivery of the SSN XG ontology and of examples in separate files 14:07:39 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/5 14:09:36 ISSUE-6 Pub. on ext. web sites - Versions of the SSN ontology published on external web sites 14:09:36 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/6 14:09:38 +q 14:10:35 -Payam 14:10:43 -kerry 14:11:47 Payam will present group activity next at ICT summit. Please submit any issues to him. 14:14:06 Action: Laurent to define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered 14:14:06 Created ACTION-30 - Define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-06-15]. 14:14:38 ISSUE-7 Doc format/generation - Documentation format - Generation of documentation derived from the OWL file 14:14:38 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/7 14:15:37 Topic: AOB 14:16:01 OGC TC Meeting in Silver Spring Luis will be there 14:17:32 -michael 14:17:45 -Arthur 14:17:50 - +1.937.775.aacc 14:18:45 bye 14:18:48 - +1.202.408.aadd 14:21:56 -vhuang 14:21:58 -krp 14:22:20 vhuang has left #ssn 14:23:18 -laurent_lefort_cs 14:23:20 INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended 14:23:23 Attendees were Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, michael, vhuang, Arthur, kerry, krp, +1.937.775.aacc, +1.202.408.aadd 14:24:00 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:24:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs 14:25:11 s/concetps/concepts/ 14:25:17 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:25:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs 14:25:52 s/suing/using/ 14:26:02 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:26:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs 14:27:17 s/soory/sorry/ 14:29:14 s/usre/sure/ 14:32:03 rrsagent, please generate minutes 14:32:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs 15:33:31 zakim, bye 15:33:31 Zakim has left #ssn 15:33:38 rrsagent, bye 15:33:38 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-actions.rdf : 15:33:38 ACTION: Kerry to add usage of see also in wiki page documenting annotations [1] 15:33:38 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T13-36-10 15:33:38 ACTION: Laurent to define the final place where the XG ontology will be delivered [2] 15:33:38 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-ssn-irc#T14-14-06