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19:00:12 <janina> zakim, this will be #aria
19:00:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
19:01:18 <janina> zakim, this will be #html-a11y
19:01:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
19:01:57 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(ARIA
19:01:57 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(Aria)3:00PM already started
19:02:03 <Zakim> +??P6
19:02:07 <janina> zakim, call janina
19:02:07 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
19:02:09 <Zakim> +Janina
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19:06:23 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
19:06:52 <janina> scribe: janina
19:07:06 <janina> steve: plan was to go through aria mapping tables--not done
19:07:21 <janina> steve: had a medical emergency--sorry
19:07:47 <janina> steve: also had to get our alt doc ready for html heartbeat publication this week
19:12:56 <janina> cyns: table or tr as toolbar
19:12:59 <janina> rich: ah, yes
19:13:09 <janina> cyns: it's the shrinking behavior
19:13:20 <janina> cyns which is hard with css
19:13:59 <janina> steve: seems we need to specify the allowable roles, seems button wouldn't fit
19:14:15 <janina> cyns: think structural elements should be overwritable by any
19:14:27 <janina> cyns: i think of a table cell as similar to a paragraph
19:15:32 <janina> steve: i'm trying to find the taxonomy logic for all these mappings
19:17:19 <janina> michael: isn't there a contextual issue? if we overwrite a td, what about the parent
19:19:59 <janina> cyns: we need some best practices on how to turn table into a toolbar ...
19:20:19 <janina> topic: change proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/0099.html and
19:20:54 <janina> steve: seems to be a counterproposal to my proposal
19:21:04 <janina> cyns: about issue 85
19:21:19 <janina> rich: one can't enforce authors doing stupid stuff
19:21:43 <Stevef> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/0108.html
19:21:48 <janina> cyns: we've our proposal, ian has his, what's the procedure
19:22:10 <janina> steve: his is basically 'don't allow links to be buttons'
19:23:23 <Stevef> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9871 and http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9872
19:23:27 <janina> cyns: his proposal is incomplete, misrepresents our proposal
19:27:25 <janina> steve: thought it worthwhile bringing it to our attention as it's a counterproposal to ours
19:29:02 <janina> cyns: worried this proposal attacks aria architecture, says it shouldn't be used for the purpose it was designed for
19:31:49 <Stevef> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/0099.html
19:59:18 <Zakim> -Rich
19:59:20 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
19:59:21 <Zakim> -??P6
19:59:35 <Zakim> -Janina
19:59:36 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(Aria)3:00PM has ended
19:59:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Rich, [IPcaller], Janina, Michael_Cooper
19:59:43 <janina> zakim, bye
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19:59:55 <janina> rrsagent make minutes public
20:00:12 <janina> rrsagent make minutes
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21:38:20 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
21:38:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
21:38:38 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
21:38:40 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
21:38:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
21:39:13 <MichaelC> meeting: ARIA mapping sub-team - HTML A11Y TF
21:39:18 <MichaelC> chair: Steve_Faulkner
21:39:28 <MichaelC> present+ Cynthia_Shelly
21:39:36 <MichaelC> present- [IPcaller]
21:39:45 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
21:39:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
21:41:27 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
21:41:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items