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14:08:02 <davidb> 1 min
14:09:07 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI
14:09:11 <davidb> passcode is 2274?
14:09:20 <Andi> yes
14:09:25 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
14:09:39 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla has David_Bolter
14:09:39 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
14:12:51 <Andi> CS: adding ARIA roles changes element into a different element
14:13:16 <Andi> CS: 2nd table, DOMACTIVATE is a good example
14:13:34 <Andi> CS: DOMACTIVATE may be renamed to CLICK
14:13:53 <Andi> CS: CLICK is also in the table, treating it the same as DOMACTIVATE
14:14:29 <Andi> above comments are explanations on the events.doc document Cynthia has been working on
14:14:40 <Andi> topic: events.doc document
14:15:07 <Andi> CS: events don't get fired if have a <div> changed into a button
14:15:20 <Andi> DB: if has event handler on it, it should fire an event
14:15:34 <Andi> DB: fire accessibility event for click
14:17:08 <Andi> CS: when change role, there are implications beyond changing the role and creating an accessible object
14:17:30 <Andi> right column is Cynthia's thoughts - need feedback from David
14:20:21 <Andi> topic: bug 7118 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7118
14:20:37 <Andi> David's review is complete and the text looks good. Close 7118.
14:21:09 <Andi> topic: bug 7119 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7119
14:21:21 <Andi> edits look good to Cynthia and David. Close 7119.
14:22:26 <Andi> topic: Tracker Actions
14:22:29 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7118
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14:22:43 <cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
14:22:46 <Andi> s/http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7118/http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10/
14:22:55 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
14:23:51 <Andi> Issue 59 -  same as 7019 - second table should address
14:25:33 <Andi> Issues 86 & 87 are tied to bug 8464
14:25:47 <Andi> valuemin, valuemax, and valuenow all default to 0
14:25:58 <Andi> CS: why not undefined? at least for valuemax?
14:26:10 <Andi> DB: think 0 was the common value that worked for all APIs
14:28:43 <Andi> Issue 88
14:28:56 <Andi> AS: UAIG has no special case processing for aria-disabled
14:30:16 <Andi> CS: could we text to beginning of Actions section
14:30:25 <Andi> DB: or leave this to ARIA 3.0?
14:31:02 <Andi> CS: talk to MichaelC about "things we think are the right way to go but will not be implemented in the mainstream browsers"
14:31:30 <Andi> CS: maybe we could make it a "should"?
14:32:03 <Andi> s/we text/we add text/
14:36:15 <Andi> add text to Actions section "if aria-disabled is true, UA's should not expose. If exposed, ATs should ignore."
14:39:48 <Andi> Issue 383
14:40:15 <Andi> Bug 9656 is tied to this issue: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9656
14:40:26 <Andi> change bug 9656 to P1
14:44:25 <Andi> Issue 393
14:44:39 <Andi> tag each HTML specific section
14:44:48 <Andi> s/tag/identify/
14:44:53 <Andi> Issue 395
14:45:40 <Andi> CS: put "required owned elements" in the UAIG glossary
14:47:48 <davidb> filed bug 9878
14:48:32 <Andi> Action 130
14:48:45 <Andi> DB: were looking for a way for AT to change some states
14:48:55 <Andi> DB: don't really support this notion
14:49:12 <Andi> DB: implementation problems from author end to respond to these kinds of things
14:49:33 <Andi> DB: would require author to think about how to respond to aria attribute changes
14:50:16 <Andi> DB: not the right guy for this action because don't agree with it
14:51:14 <Andi> action: David to go back to PFWG to either close 130 as won't fix or get it assigned to someone else.
14:52:29 <Andi> action 166
14:52:39 <Andi> s/action/issue/
14:52:56 <Andi> action: Cynthia to send e-mail to Mark asking for explanation of this action
14:55:59 <Andi> Action 400
14:56:08 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:56:28 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
14:56:32 <Andi> s/issue 166/Action 166/
14:56:52 <Andi> s/400/248/
14:57:15 <Andi> CS: sounds like writeable property issue got closed because it's not in the ARIA spec?
14:57:30 <Andi> CS: should this be deferred to ARIA 2.0?
14:57:46 <Andi> s/ARIA 3.0/ARIA 2.0/
14:58:26 <Andi> DB: in ARIA practices, section 8 - there is a list of ARIA states and properties that can be modified by AT
14:59:26 <Andi> CS: if AT changes a property using the accessibility API, what should the UA do?
15:00:00 <Andi> CS: should the modification be reflected back into the DOM
15:00:08 <Andi> CS: if not, the DOM and AT will be out of sync
15:01:15 <Andi> action: David to look at actions 130 and 248 and figure out what to do with writeable properties
15:02:04 <Andi> Action 442
15:02:10 <Andi> Cynthia thinks she is done. 
15:02:21 <Andi> action: Cynthia to mark 442 as "pending review"
15:02:27 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
15:02:31 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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