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14:29:59 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
14:29:59 <trackbot> Date: 07 June 2010
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14:30:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:30:58 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
14:30:58 <Zakim> +ed; got it
14:31:41 <Zakim> +ChrisL
14:32:15 <Zakim> +Shepazu
14:34:08 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/struct.html#InterfaceSVGElementInstanceList
14:46:58 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:46:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see ed, ChrisL, Shepazu
14:46:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, f1lt3r, shepazu, karl, anthony, ed_work, trackbot
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14:59:26 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:58 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/masking.html#OverflowProperty
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15:13:29 <pdengler> scribenick: pdengler
15:13:48 <pdengler> Though we agreed to close this conf call early, a few topics came up that required a scribe
15:13:59 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html#OverflowProperty
15:14:20 <ChrisL> zakim, who is noisy?
15:14:31 <Zakim> ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (94%), ed (4%)
15:14:39 <ChrisL> zakim, mute microsoft
15:14:39 <Zakim> [Microsoft] should now be muted
15:14:39 <pdengler> First, I am concerned about the quality of the test cases.  I will return on Thursday's conf call such that we can identify whether or not Microsoft can add resources to review the details.  The concern is that 'draft' tests have been moved into accepted without propper review
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15:15:48 <pdengler> pdengler: Topic: HTML5 and SVG. Should overflow property default to overflow:visible
15:15:53 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/masking.html.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h
15:16:05 <ed> ACTION-2203
15:16:12 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2203
15:16:34 <pdengler> shepazu : We think that this solves the questino
15:16:37 <ChrisL> ACTION-2203
15:16:37 <ChrisL> Add to the 1.1 Full errata that the initial value for the root overflow property is scroll rather than hidden
15:16:42 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:16:46 <pdengler> wait
15:16:46 <ChrisL> zakim, unmute patrick
15:16:46 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I do not know which phone connection belongs to patrick
15:16:52 <ChrisL> zakim, unmute microsoft
15:16:52 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I do not know which phone connection belongs to microsoft
15:17:07 <ChrisL> scribe: ChrisL
15:17:20 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:17:40 <ChrisL> doug: hyatt raised a similar issue which is why we changed 1.1. Agreed by the WG at the time, ROC was in on the discussion
15:18:05 <ChrisL> ... action is now closed. solves the question from the svg side but not necessarily from the html side
15:18:12 <ChrisL> .... solves for inline svg
15:18:29 <ChrisL> ... for iframes, object, embed it needs to be clarified
15:18:36 <ChrisL> jwatt: treated the same
15:18:41 <ChrisL> ed: yes
15:18:51 <ChrisL> doug: so html5 spec needs to say so
15:18:56 <pdengler> Not sure why I cannot be heard on the phone
15:19:12 <pdengler> but we are saying that overflow=visible for inline SVG
15:19:14 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:19:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ed, ChrisL, Shepazu, [IPcaller], [Microsoft]
15:19:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see pdengler, jwatt, ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, f1lt3r, shepazu, karl, anthony, ed_work, trackbot
15:19:22 <ChrisL> ack microsoft
15:19:48 <ChrisL> patrick: so for inline overflow is visible
15:20:16 <ChrisL> ...and for the others its the default
15:20:59 <ChrisL> ed: if its inside a container then you dont use overflow
15:21:23 <ChrisL> patrick: overflow visible is the right thing for an html developer
15:21:32 <ChrisL> doug: html needs to take care of the rest
15:21:54 <ChrisL> ed: more of a css issue, html does need to change. Its what type of block is generated
15:22:17 <ChrisL> chris: so what specifically needs to change in css?
15:22:36 <ChrisL> ed: type of layout box generated by the inline html element needs to be specified
15:22:47 <ChrisL> ... perhaps in svg. tiny specifies it well
15:23:21 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/coords.html#IntrinsicSizing
15:23:49 <ChrisL> ed: this plus css 2.1 is enough to define it
15:24:13 <ChrisL> ... need to know how big the element covers when overlow is visible. can't be bigger than its container
15:25:13 <ChrisL> patrick: if overflow is not visible, people will wonder where the content went
15:25:26 <ChrisL> doug: where are the natural dimensions defined?
15:25:50 <ChrisL> ... if i am dynamically adding it
15:25:59 <ChrisL> ed: well, 100% is the default
15:26:58 <ChrisL> chris: need to distinguish between the renderde size and the range of coordinate space being used
15:28:16 <ChrisL> ... depends on whether viewBox is set or not
15:28:59 <ChrisL> doug: as well as width&height and the viewbox we need the intrisicc width and height
15:29:18 <ChrisL> jwat: but those terms are used already
15:29:25 <ChrisL> chris: boundingBox?
15:29:41 <ChrisL> ed: yes the bounding box can be bigger than the viewBox
15:30:09 <ChrisL> chris: needs 4 coordinates not two
15:30:34 <ChrisL> doug: an attr with 4 values is a pain
15:31:19 <ChrisL> ... inkscape confuses width and height with te overall bounding box
15:32:26 <ChrisL> ISSUE: Differentiate bounding box from viewbox and width and height
15:32:26 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-2329 - Differentiate bounding box from viewbox and width and height ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2329/edit .
15:32:57 <ChrisL> patrick: for svg in html5 overflow visible, correct?
15:33:00 <ChrisL> (all) no
15:33:30 <ChrisL> doug: discussed with css wg, defsault size for all replaced content is 150x300
15:33:32 <ChrisL> ewww
15:33:43 <ChrisL> s/no//
15:33:53 <ChrisL> ed: css 2.1 covers this now
15:34:50 <ChrisL> action: patrick to make some html5 and svg combined tests that exercise overflow
15:34:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2795 - Make some html5 and svg combined tests that exercise overflow [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-06-14].
15:35:10 <ChrisL> doug: should discuss in fx tf once we have the tests
15:35:13 <ed> ACTION: ed to add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG 1.1F2
15:35:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2796 - Add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG 1.1F2 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-06-14].
15:35:49 <ChrisL> patrick: whats the default in firefox nightlies?
15:35:54 <ChrisL> jwatt: hidden
15:36:42 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
15:37:20 <Zakim> -ChrisL
15:37:31 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:37:32 <Zakim> -ed
15:37:46 <Zakim> -Shepazu
15:38:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:38:24 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()10:30AM has ended
15:38:25 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], ed, ChrisL, Shepazu, [Microsoft]
15:38:37 <jwatt> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:38:37 <Zakim> sorry, jwatt, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
15:38:46 <jwatt> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:38:46 <Zakim> sorry, jwatt, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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