15:02:41 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 15:02:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc 15:02:43 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:02:43 Zakim has joined #swxg 15:02:45 Zakim, this will be 7994 15:02:45 ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago 15:02:46 Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference 15:02:46 Date: 02 June 2010 15:03:37 janina has joined #swxg 15:03:44 on my way 15:03:50 zakim, who is on the call? 15:03:50 INC_SWXG()11:00AM has not yet started, petef 15:04:13 zakim, start 15:04:13 I don't understand 'start', DKA 15:04:16 zakim, this is swxg 15:04:16 ok, MichaelC; that matches INC_SWXG()11:00AM 15:04:27 caribou has joined #swxg 15:04:30 zakim, who is on the call? 15:04:30 On the phone I see +63.59.2.aabb, +1.617.848.aaaa, Janina_Sajka, +0797094aacc, Michael_Cooper, +01510931aadd, +0774811aaee, +1.781.416.aaff, Gregory_Rosmaita 15:04:35 +??P26 15:04:39 +Carine 15:04:39 Zakim, aabb is me 15:04:39 +tpa; got it 15:04:56 zakim, aacc is me. 15:04:56 +petef; got it 15:05:06 - +01510931aadd 15:05:32 ??P26 is hhalpin 15:05:37 chair: hhalpin 15:05:42 Zakim, pick a scribe? 15:05:44 I don't understand your question, hhalpin. 15:05:55 Zakim, pick a scribe 15:05:59 Scribe: Dan 15:06:02 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose tpa 15:06:03 ScribeNick: DKA 15:06:18 + +31.20.754.aagg 15:06:29 Chair: Harry 15:06:31 + +95012aahh 15:06:32 zakim, +31.20.754.aagg is danbri 15:06:32 +danbri; got it 15:06:40 topic: Administrative Work 15:06:50 PROPOSED: to meet again Wed. May 9th. 15:06:52 Harry: Propose to meet again M9 May 15:06:57 Lalana Kagal and people from the PrimeLife project 15:06:59 zakim, aaaa is me 15:07:00 +cperey; got it 15:07:07 zakim, mute me 15:07:07 talking about XACML, AIR, and policy languages in technical detail 15:07:08 danbri should now be muted 15:07:36 Harry: This is important for privacy topic. Distributed privacy. 15:07:41 +1 to meeting again 15:07:44 ACCEPTED: Meeting Wed. May 9th 15:07:45 +1 15:07:48 final report discussion postponed? 15:07:57 topic: Final Report Update 15:08:03 +1 15:08:05 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2010Jun/0000.html 15:08:12 Harry: Christine brought up that we made an error - we need to talk about the final report. Let's give this 10-15 minutes. 15:08:19 ... [on today's call] 15:08:26 re openid etc update, i don't need v long (there's not a lot to say really, beyond it's all very complicated!) 15:08:35 um, am not on the call, is today's meeting about "Distributed privacy."? 15:08:46 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion 15:09:04 mischa, no today is about OpenID, Connect, and accessibility issues 15:09:12 thanks hhalpin 15:09:26 +??P3 15:09:36 +1 15:09:39 zakim, ??P3 is me 15:09:39 +melvster; got it 15:09:40 bblfish has joined #swxg 15:09:42 Christine: this is what we proposed before. Hasn't changed since May 19. Dan A. and I spoke about it this morning and we assigned ourselves section. My proposal is to attack the last section - on business considerations. 15:09:52 Maybe give folks a second to look at the various sections 15:10:02 I've volunteered for the Intro initially... Have started taking notes here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Intro-fodder 15:10:17 Christine: We would like others to step up for specific sections. 15:10:25 ah thanks 15:10:33 ACTION: DKA to write Introduction 15:10:34 Created ACTION-138 - Write Introduction [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-06-09]. 15:10:44 Harry: State of the social web? 15:10:58 zakim, unmute me 15:10:58 danbri should no longer be muted 15:11:03 harry, if you want to do a skeleton, i can flesh it out 15:12:11 Christine: We felt it would be beneficial to document how people are using the social web today - and identity what remains in the highest state of flux and what seems to be settling out. Puts the use cases and technology material in context. 15:12:19 Since I offered to do a 'landscape picture' I would be happy to contribute to section II or section IV depending on where people think it fits 15:12:20 OK, me and melvster, I would like to use the Facebook privacy disaster as a good launching place... 15:12:29 + +01510931aaii 15:12:32 rreck has joined #SWXG 15:13:23 so section II is what is happening outside of the SWXG 15:13:33 zakim, 01510931aaii is bblfish 15:13:33 sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named '01510931aaii' 15:13:34 it sets the context for the rest of the report 15:13:41 Harry: Social web use cases? 15:13:46 they are not really done, but.... 15:13:49 zakim, +01510931aaii is bblfish 15:13:49 +bblfish; got it 15:13:57 probably as done as they will get 15:13:59 + +1.218.296.aajj 15:14:10 zakim, +1.218.296.aajj is me 15:14:10 +rreck; got it 15:14:16 zakim, mute me 15:14:16 rreck should now be muted 15:14:26 Harry: First full draft by the end of this month or next month... We need a solid thing to review in August. 15:14:29 ACTION: tpa and Melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 15:14:29 Sorry, couldn't find user - tpa 15:14:55 Harry: Maybe short stories but with some less detail... 15:15:07 + +1.781.273.aakk 15:15:08 Christine: Yes - a summary and then point to the wiki page. 15:15:09 ACTION: member:tpaanglade and member:Melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 15:15:09 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 15:15:25 Zakim, aakk is OpenLink_Software 15:15:25 zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 15:15:26 +OpenLink_Software; got it 15:15:26 +MacTed; got it 15:15:29 Zakim, mute me 15:15:29 MacTed should now be muted 15:15:32 CTION: tanglade and melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 15:15:35 That leaves the gap analysis -- Mischa you put yourself forward for something? 15:15:40 ACTION: tpa to work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages 15:15:40 Sorry, couldn't find user - tpa 15:15:44 ACTION: tanglade and melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 15:15:45 Created ACTION-139 - And melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [on Tim Anglade - due 2010-06-09]. 15:15:49 ACTION: tanglade to work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages 15:15:49 Created ACTION-140 - Work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages [on Tim Anglade - due 2010-06-09]. 15:16:09 (I'm not going to volunteer for anything; I will try to write something and will figure out which sections to offer it to once it exists) 15:16:19 yup, fine 15:16:20 action me! 15:16:20 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 15:16:20 gap analysis is one of the most important parts 15:16:40 I will be happy to be co-editor 15:16:49 mischa? 15:16:50 hi 15:16:58 DKA: i am hear, but not on the call 15:16:58 henry story? 15:17:00 I am in airport 15:17:03 gap analysis ? 15:17:26 mischat, let's discuss off-line... 15:17:28 ok 15:17:45 zakim, unmute me 15:17:45 danbri should no longer be muted 15:17:46 not sure what gap analysis is 15:17:52 " Need to spend most of our time in terms of creating new content" 15:17:53 (sorry not been paying attention) 15:17:58 mischa - we'll e-mail you off line 15:18:04 ok 15:18:19 jumble in danbri's head 15:18:28 ACTION: Danbri to write what he thinks is an adequate contribution 15:18:28 Created ACTION-141 - Write what he thinks is an adequate contribution [on Dan Brickley - due 2010-06-09]. 15:19:32 topic: State of Social Web update 15:19:40 Topic: Danbri's Head [openid developments] 15:20:11 +[Oracle] 15:20:30 Danbri: in the last few weeks there has been a lot of activity on the openID lists. How this breaks down in terms of groups and communities. OpenID was created in 2005-2006. It's a non-profit foundation with corporate membership. 15:20:51 Danbri: they pushed out a new version of spec 2 years ago - still has some issues. We've had some of those details from our guest speakers. 15:21:39 ... there is a sibling technology called Oauth which has gone into IETF. What's happened with both of these is that they've incoporated X.509 certificates. 15:22:09 ... there are a 2 different ideas about where to go next. openID next and openID connect - what openID connect does is build it on top of Oauth. 15:22:15 ah there are foaf+ssl people in the oauth incubator? 15:22:43 ... the OpenID connect design says "websites are already using Oauth" so why not [leverage] this? 15:23:26 thanks 15:23:28 for me 15:23:37 ... not entirely clear what should happen next - openID foundation needs to decide to be a "broad church" (both approaches) or focus. "connect" folks are saying they'll go off and do openid connect whetever. 15:23:41 danbri you said we could help out 15:23:49 questions? 15:24:03 I found that very helpful! 15:24:26 is it worth bothering, or is it easier to build some simple screen casts on using WebId ? 15:24:38 harry: also : a broad momentum around WebID from FOAF+SSL work - also a broad feeling that w3c is interested in moving into the identity space. 15:25:26 ... it seems like things are finally maturing. Is it possible that there could be a connection between oauth and openid/oauth? What's the real difference between openid vnext and openid connect? 15:26:05 ( for a screencast on make and use webid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po ) 15:26:12 danbri: one of the problems with vnext is that it doesn't really exist yet. There are some working groups in openid foundation which have delivered something but not moving very fast. People from social networks side want it to move faster. 15:27:10 danbri: if they're going to do (openid connect) anyway - they will probably do it in IETF. W3C might be a home as well. 15:27:24 not my language 15:27:25 danbri: hope we can keep the whole thing positive and friendly. 15:27:32 +1 to positivism 15:28:18 harry: maybe we could get a final debrief? We should incorporate [the latest thinking] into the final report... 15:28:27 My view is that openidId 1. (which I know) is good at covering holes that foaf+ssl cannot reach due to browser limitations, but WebId is more elegant. So they complement each other 15:29:20 oh i should also mention, there is a User Expeience group being created at OpenID Foundation - http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-user-experience/2010-June/date.html 15:29:31 that sounds interesting to me 15:29:51 (so it would help me understand - especially on the oauth side) 15:30:09 perhaps they could make it v broad, encompass all openid, oauth and ssl-based approaches? 15:30:47 -Michael_Cooper 15:30:48 harry: after 2 weeks' time, we look at developments on webid, openid v. connect, and oauth.. . then focus on report. 15:30:52 can you run that through again? 15:30:55 we lost Michael? 15:31:00 yes, though send it to me by email if I need to do something, cause I did not quite hear all of it 15:31:05 sounds good to me 15:31:16 ok i think that's enough re openid and we have enough re next steps 15:31:30 +Michael_Cooper 15:31:36 +1 WebId especially 15:31:44 +1 15:31:48 PROPOSAL: 3 more invited talks after we finish up privacy work (Connect, v.Next, and WebID updates) 15:32:02 I think we should have 5 minutes at beginning of each meeting to go into progress on the final report 15:32:02 those 3 could be on the same call, hhalpin 15:32:10 -tpa 15:32:13 ACTION: hhalpin to invite for latest development talk Connect and WebID and v.Next 15:32:14 Created ACTION-142 - Invite for latest development talk Connect and WebID and v.Next [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-09]. 15:32:18 Topic: michael cooper and others from protocols & formats wg on accessibility on social web 15:32:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Social_Web 15:32:23 maybe Peter StAndre could come along too again, he is now leading IETF work in that area 15:32:26 oedipus = Gregory J. Rosmaita http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/User:Grosmai - been part of W3C/WAI since before WAI was officially launched to review HTML4/CSS2; blind user of speech output and keyboard input only 15:32:33 topic: Michael Cooper and others from Protocol and Format WG on accessibility and the Social Web 15:32:42 harry: this one of the areas where w3c has historically had a lot to offer the web and we could have a lot to offer the social web. 15:33:08 MichaelC: I'm michael cooper - staff contact for pf working group. We review other w3c technologies for accessibility issues. 15:33:33 - +95012aahh 15:33:54 ... we're in a situation where we don't exactly know where all the issues. We need to find out what each other knows. The more we understand what the group is doing the more targeted advice we can offer. 15:34:08 ... we also have janina who is chair of pf working group. 15:35:08 Janina: Already good learning experience. Anything that has to do with UI immediately impacts accessibility concerns because accessibility. 15:35:25 ... we also put a emphasis on semantic markup. 15:35:42 here to listen, learn and contribute - working on social networking site targetted at blind/visually impaired based on OpenSocial 15:35:48 ... more to be said around all these topics. 15:36:18 Gregory: I'm here to listen learn and contribute - my special interest is I've been working on a social networking site targeted at visually impaired and blind users. 15:36:32 dka, do you do accessibility on security? 15:37:02 q 15:37:56 harry: one obvious thing to do would be to have wg members run questions about accessibility by you... First question I have: if I have a technology - maybe not a W3C standard - [e.g. a community standard] - is there a single document of guidelines on accessibility that would be useful? 15:38:06 -cperey 15:38:17 2 things social web site needs: ability to create WCAG 2.0 compliant content; social networking site (as a tool) needs to conform to ATAG 2.0 15:38:20 janina: don't think there's a specific document on the social web - a basic intro would be useful. 15:38:34 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20 15:38:46 http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20 15:38:49 ( /me finds ancient javascript rdf query demo (possibly not very accessible itself) http://www.w3.org/1999/11/11-WWWProposal/atagdemo ... queries authoring tool metadata ) 15:39:52 ... there are two resources that are important to know about. W3C is one - and we are it on accessibility - meanwhile what is happening in regulatory space (US, UK, EU, Japan, Australia...) they are looking at accessible technologies when they deploy something on the Web. 15:40:09 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ 15:40:14 ... e.g. in section 508. 15:40:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/ 15:40:28 .... (U.S. regulatory) 15:40:44 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/gettingstarted/ Introduction to accessibility 15:41:24 MichaelC: That is not maintained by the PF wg - intended more for web content authors. Essential components of web accessibility could be useful. Describes how different tools need to work together. 15:41:40 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php Essential components 15:41:50 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web How PWD use Web 15:41:57 on U.S. Section 508 check http://access-board.gov/508.htm 15:42:11 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/xag XML Accessibility Giudelines 15:42:13 ... "introduction to how people with disabilities use the web" could also be useful. 15:42:49 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/ PFWG home page 15:43:05 ... XML document is a little outdated but there is good information on what to do when developing a format... 15:43:17 oedipus, did you look any deeper into Google's OpenSocial work? (and Apache Shindig) - it's pretty .js-heavy... 15:43:28 lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech 15:43:30 ... in terms of how to communicate with us. We have a mailing list. 15:43:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/ 15:43:37 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/ XTech list 15:43:43 danbri, that's been one of the holdups on implementation -- need more ARIA support from ATs and UAs 15:44:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments 15:44:15 ... Another possibility - approach PF working group more formally with email to Janina or myself. 15:44:19 (feb 2008 msg on OpenSocial btw, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/0004.html ) 15:45:54 s/Giudelines/Guidelines/ 15:46:02 for reference: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/CAPTCHA_v2 (there is NO accessible captcha) 15:46:07 Janina: there are several ways this comes up. On OpenID (and like) there is a wish-list in terms of Accessibility. There is a desire to explore "can this system communicate preferences on preferred working environment?") 15:46:09 Identity is core to the social web, since if you do not know who you are dealing with, there can only be 2 agents for the server: me and them. To distinguish people you need to knowing who someone is. Currently there is this problem, is that browsers do not show what identity one has when logged in. It's extremely simple thing to fix. Is this something that could be part of accessibility? Just wondering if you could check that out. http://code.google.com/p/ 15:46:09 Another idea one could add foaf ontology to describe disabilities, so that UIs could use it. 15:46:12 ... we need to explore further. 15:46:31 q? 15:46:35 q? 15:46:58 bblfish, a FOAF ontology to describe not disabilities, but specific combos of assistive technology, is something i would like to explore further 15:47:16 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:47:16 On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, petef, +0774811aaee, +1.781.416.aaff, Gregory_Rosmaita, ??P26, Carine, danbri (muted), melvster, bblfish, rreck (muted), MacTed (muted), [Oracle], 15:47:19 ... Michael_Cooper 15:47:44 bblfish, problem with breakdown by disability is that not all blind users know/use braille so a refreshable braille display user has a different experience than an audio-only user 15:47:45 danbri has joined #swxg 15:48:24 DKA: we could articulate accessibility gap on current social web standards (e.g. openID) in the xg report. 15:48:55 Harry: we could do this in the gap analysis. Also, I'm not sure what the accessibility state of the social web is. 15:48:58 also part of privacy part; ensuring sites treat such info with appropriate respect/care 15:48:59 thanks, oedipus. Interesting things to look into 15:49:03 http://www.accessibletwitter.com - interesting implementation of Twitter API 15:49:06 ... that would be useful for the report. 15:49:14 bblfish, my eddress is oedipus@hicom.net 15:49:40 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/ 15:49:45 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/ 15:50:05 has ARIA had take-up in current social web sites? 15:50:07 which sites are not accessible, and how? 15:50:09 MichaelC: social web sites tend to have more complex designs [using ajax, etc..] PF working group is working on ARIA to patch that hole. Sites adopting ARIA could be an accessibility solution there. Some things intrinsic to the social networking aspect. 15:50:16 Any issues with uniformity of accessibility across sites? 15:50:25 q+ to ask whether members of the W3C accessibility community could offer to contribute to the 'open' social network projects (GNU Social; Diaspora, StatusNet etc) by giving informal review of accessibility of their designs 15:50:28 one clear useability issue is identity :-) 15:50:32 twitter accessibility depends upon the client -- native web based twitter poor, hence need for AccessibleTwitter or Qwitter (http://www.qwitter-client.net/) 15:50:50 hmm....have any of the distributed social networking software (GNU Social, diaspora, etc.) taken accessibility on board? 15:50:53 ... in some sites, there is a big authoring challenge. If user posts a photo and the site doesn't allow/promopt for them to provide alternative text then hat content will be inaccessibile. 15:51:04 +1 to case studies 15:51:16 a case study of facebook would be great 15:51:28 there is a GNU accessibility pledge: http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/ 15:51:45 ... it might be useful to do some joint case studies. In addition, the authoring tool accessibility guidelines may provide a good starting point. 15:51:46 q? 15:51:51 GNU Social is moving fast, but haven't been tracking as well as should be - anyone tracking it? 15:52:02 danbri has joined #swxg 15:52:04 janina: I like the idea of you addressing accessibility in your report. 15:52:22 q+ 15:52:23 GJR will email GNU accessibility leader, Chris Hofstadter, to find out how much he is involved in GNU Social 15:52:43 ... as already mentioned, for a technology to become ubiquitous and standardized, it's got to be accessible. 15:52:48 q+ to talk about interchange format 15:52:59 q? 15:53:28 oedipus, that'd be great 15:53:40 (someone is whispering loudly on the call :) 15:53:41 Janina: there is a higher level of interaciton on the social web - 15:54:03 ack danbri 15:54:04 danbri, you wanted to ask whether members of the W3C accessibility community could offer to contribute to the 'open' social network projects (GNU Social; Diaspora, StatusNet etc) 15:54:06 ... by giving informal review of accessibility of their designs 15:54:40 danbri, i will carbon-copy emessage to GNU A11y leader to public-xg-socialweb@w3.org 15:54:50 danbri: we could use this as an opportunity to make connections between new emerging projects in social web and accessibility community in w3c. 15:55:18 q? 15:55:57 once i close all my ARIA action items i'll be focusing specifically on spec review, XG review/participation and CSS3 development 15:56:06 Michael: Recommending people to get involved in those projects is something we can do. 15:56:31 Facebook working on accessibility: http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130 15:56:33 Danbri: We're not really sure how to thing of these projects - they are part standards, part software, ... 15:56:54 Danbri: e.g. gnusocial will build on top of statusnet OStatus.... 15:57:12 danbri: it would be good to run something like a workshop at x-tech? 15:57:30 wai-xtech the list, not the conf! 15:57:31 got to go and queue up for the 1 mile queue to easyjet plane 15:57:57 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech 15:58:02 oh, just the issue posted above 15:58:15 Harry: one of the best ways forward might be - 2 paragraphs from PF working group... 15:58:16 henry? wanna say something before jumping on airplane? 15:58:21 Identity is core to the social web, since if you do not know who you are dealing with, there can only be 2 agents for the server: me and them. To distinguish people you need to knowing who someone is. Currently there is this problem, is that browsers do not show what identity one has when logged in. It's extremely simple thing to fix. Is this something that could be part of accessibility? Just wondering if you could check that out. http://code.google.com/p/ 15:58:26 zakim, mute me 15:58:26 danbri should now be muted 15:58:43 this is a key simple issue to put a recommendation on for browser manufacturers 15:58:55 yes, it's just a bug report 15:58:57 that URI is not working bblfish 15:59:25 but it's applicaable to any browsers, I have a bug issue on Firefox too 15:59:40 bblfish, have you looked into http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/04/account-manager-coming-to-firefox/ at all? 15:59:44 ack michaelc 15:59:44 MichaelC, you wanted to talk about interchange format 16:00:11 re: google source code project, do you mean http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-jquery/ ? 16:00:12 MichaelC: I wanted to bring up the idea of an interchange format in the social web. There might be accessibility issues there - 16:00:23 danbri, that bug report references an earlier article on that 16:00:25 ... wanted to make sure that doesn't fall off the radar. 16:00:29 but thanks for the update 16:00:33 got to go... 16:01:02 I have to go. Will catch up with hhalpin about section IV soon. 16:01:02 paul has joined #swxg 16:01:02 -bblfish 16:01:07 -petef 16:01:54 harry: we would like 2 paragraphs - one paragraph on the problems of existing social networking sites - other paragraph: looking at openID, OStatus- technologies not in widespread use by people but which could be shortly. 16:02:01 Janina: I think we can do something like that. 16:02:05 say two paragraphs 16:02:09 one focussing on a case study of an exisitng 16:02:10 site 16:02:31 and another on some tech that is crucial for distributed tech 16:02:38 I would also like to see an analysis of Oauth accessibility - which is currently in wide use. 16:02:43 q? 16:03:01 thanks 16:03:01 thank you for having us -- "look" forward to working more directly with y'all 16:03:18 -Janina_Sajka 16:03:19 -[Oracle] 16:03:22 thanks 16:03:22 Meeting adjourned 16:03:24 bye 16:03:26 -Gregory_Rosmaita 16:03:29 -Carine 16:03:30 bye! & thanks! 16:03:41 I think I'm MCarvalh 16:03:42 zakim, unmute me 16:03:42 danbri should no longer be muted 16:03:54 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:03:54 On the phone I see +0774811aaee, +1.781.416.aaff, ??P26, danbri, melvster, rreck (muted), MacTed (muted), Michael_Cooper 16:03:57 -Michael_Cooper 16:04:00 -rreck 16:04:15 caribou has left #swxg 16:06:13 janina has left #swxg 16:08:32 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:08:32 On the phone I see +0774811aaee, +1.781.416.aaff, ??P26, danbri, melvster, MacTed (muted) 16:09:54 I'm on the phone still 16:11:17 +1 paul 16:16:48 facebook connect will be replaced with oauth 16:17:18 i think identity commons had some on their wiki 16:20:25 5 years :) 16:20:56 - +1.781.416.aaff 16:20:58 - +0774811aaee 16:21:04 -MacTed 16:21:05 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:21:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin 16:21:06 -danbri 16:22:03 -melvster 16:40:33 http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=71852922130 16:53:05 MichaelC has left #swxg 16:57:41 bblfish has joined #swxg 17:02:12 trackbot, end meeting 17:02:12 Zakim, list attendees 17:02:12 As of this point the attendees have been +1.617.848.aaaa, +63.59.2.aabb, Janina_Sajka, +0797094aacc, Michael_Cooper, +01510931aadd, +0774811aaee, +1.781.416.aaff, Gregory_Rosmaita, 17:02:13 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:02:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-minutes.html trackbot 17:02:14 RRSAgent, bye 17:02:14 I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-actions.rdf : 17:02:14 ACTION: DKA to write Introduction [1] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-10-33 17:02:14 ACTION: tpa and Melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [2] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-14-29 17:02:14 ACTION: member:tpaanglade and member:Melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [3] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-15-09 17:02:14 ACTION: tpa to work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages [4] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-15-40 17:02:14 ACTION: tanglade and melvster on part 2 State of the Social Web in 2010 [5] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-15-44 17:02:14 ACTION: tanglade to work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part 3 on wiki pages [6] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-15-49 17:02:14 ACTION: Danbri to write what he thinks is an adequate contribution [7] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-18-28 17:02:14 ACTION: hhalpin to invite for latest development talk Connect and WebID and v.Next [8] 17:02:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/02-swxg-irc#T15-32-13 17:02:15 ... Carine, tpa, petef, +95012aahh, danbri, cperey, melvster, bblfish, rreck, +1.781.273.aakk, MacTed, [Oracle]