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10:58:35 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
10:58:35 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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11:00:37 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has now started
11:00:44 <Zakim> +wbailer
11:01:14 <joakim> I am calling in ..
11:01:22 <joakim> zakim, this is mawg 
11:01:22 <Zakim> joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:01:23 <Zakim> ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:01:34 <Vero> Vero has joined #mediaann
11:01:43 <joakim> chair: Joakim
11:02:07 <Zakim> +joakim
11:02:34 <Zakim> +veronique
11:02:55 <joakim> Regrets: Raphael, Florian, Chris, Wonsuk, Daniel, Felix, Tobias
11:03:46 <joakim> zakim, who's here?
11:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see wbailer, joakim, veronique
11:03:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vero, joakim, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, fsasaki, trackbot
11:04:26 <pchampin> pchampin has joined #mediaann
11:05:49 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
11:05:54 <Zakim> + +47.24.4.aaaa
11:05:57 <wbailer> chair: joakim
11:06:09 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG F2F
11:06:10 <pchampin> zakim, aaaa is me
11:06:12 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
11:07:02 <joakim>  http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-mediaann-minutes.htmlhttp://www.w3.org/2010/05/18-mediaann-minutes.html
11:07:04 <wbailer> topic: previous minutes
11:07:16 <wbailer> accepted
11:07:24 <wbailer> topic next meeting
11:07:31 <wbailer> scheduled for Jun 8
11:07:33 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:07:39 <wbailer> topic: action items
11:08:55 <wbailer> close action-249
11:08:55 <trackbot> ACTION-249 Come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F closed
11:09:09 <wbailer> tobias sent mail regading this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Jun/0003.html
11:09:25 <wbailer> action-258 to be done after lc
11:09:36 <wbailer> action-259 pending
11:10:28 <wbailer> action-260 pending
11:10:38 <wbailer> topic: last call process
11:10:44 <wbailer> joakim: api doc ready for lc
11:10:53 <wbailer> ... ontology doc not finished
11:11:03 <wbailer> ... wonsuk will finish by tomorrow
11:11:23 <wbailer> ... will be publioshed Tue 8th
11:11:33 <wbailer> s/publioshed/published/
11:12:04 <wbailer> joakim: thierry will be document contact person
11:12:13 <wbailer> ... for both docs
11:12:28 <wbailer> topic: test suite
11:12:54 <Zakim> +Thierry
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11:13:09 <wbailer> joakim: we have difficulties getting test suite started
11:13:18 <wbailer> ... we should start with something not too complex
11:13:18 <tmichel_> tmichel_ has joined #mediaann
11:13:29 <wbailer> ... would be good to have results before summer
11:14:06 <wbailer> topic: last call process
11:14:23 <wbailer> (going back to this topic as thierry joined)
11:14:42 <wbailer> thierry: started to work on docs to make them ready for lc
11:15:00 <wbailer> thierry: for api doc: removed script, used output
11:15:17 <wbailer> ... use proper css, added proper uris and status 
11:15:37 <wbailer> ... one issue pending: currently using css level 3, checker uses 2.1
11:15:55 <wbailer> ... contacted publication team about how to proceed on this issue
11:16:15 <wbailer> joakim: last call announcement (single sentence description)
11:16:24 <wbailer> thierry: use abstract or subset of abstract
11:16:34 <wbailer> ... to be shown in public area of w3c pages
11:16:48 <wbailer> ... can be modified at any time
11:17:05 <wbailer> ... no urgency right now, using the abstract should be fine
11:17:41 <wbailer> thierry: ontology document
11:17:54 <wbailer> ... considered it to be done, but wonsuk needs to make some updates
11:18:48 <wbailer> ... waiting for updates, if updates are not there by today, we need to postpone to next tuesday
11:19:01 <wbailer> ... impact on lc review: must be at least 4 weeks
11:19:15 <wbailer> ... planned to end review period on Jul 5
11:19:25 <wbailer> ... might need to be extended
11:20:08 <wbailer> thierry: we can send a prior announcement to the groups from which we expect feedback
11:20:18 <wbailer> ... ask if planned review deadline is ok for them
11:20:33 <wbailer> ... ping groups during review period
11:21:02 <wbailer> ... most of the groups will send comments at end of review period
11:21:19 <wbailer> joakim: do we need to have the namespace doc?
11:21:42 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
11:21:42 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
11:21:55 <wbailer> thierry: namespace doc for latest version (shortname)
11:22:12 <wbailer> ... not sure if namespace doc for ontology is needed
11:22:26 <wbailer> veronique: would be good to make ontology available
11:22:44 <wbailer> thierry: if we use uri for a namespace, something needs to be there
11:23:00 <wbailer> ... e.g. a page saying this is the namespace, and has links to schema, etc
11:23:25 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
11:23:34 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:23:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
11:24:34 <wbailer> present: joakim, veronique, pierre-antoine, thierry, werner
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11:26:12 <wbailer> thierry: stable uri for document is latest version, this is there
11:26:14 <Vero> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/wn/wn20/instances/synset-component-noun-3.rdf
11:26:35 <wbailer> veronique: we should use similar approach for ontology
11:26:39 <Vero> example of namespace hosted on the W3C side
11:26:54 <wbailer> thierry: can we postpone this to next version?
11:27:34 <wbailer> present: joakim, veronique, pierre-antoine, thierry, werner
11:27:48 <wbailer> thierry: namespace in ontology doc resolves to a page
11:27:57 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:27:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
11:28:06 <wbailer> thierry: namespace is reserved
11:28:41 <pchampin> but it serves HTML as text... :-/
11:28:49 <wbailer> thierry: can be modified later is needed
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11:29:08 <wbailer> joakim: tables has different cell colors
11:29:20 <wbailer> ... maybe wonsuk is fixing this
11:29:30 <wbailer> thierry: will take another look at this
11:29:56 <wbailer> joakim: tables should be striped
11:30:52 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
11:30:52 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
11:30:58 <wbailer> thierry: looks fine in firefox
11:31:30 <wbailer> ... could be css problem, need to check
11:33:25 <wbailer> joakim: at f2f, we wanted to find automatic way to include mapping tables into ontology doc, now it has been done manually
11:34:21 <wbailer> thierry: xslt stylesheet could be used for this purpose
11:35:13 <wbailer> action: thierry to provide xslt stylesheet for including tables into ontology doc before candidate rec publication
11:35:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - Provide xslt stylesheet for including tables into ontology doc before candidate rec publication [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-06-08].
11:35:29 <wbailer> action: thierry to correct css of tables in ontology doc
11:35:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - Correct css of tables in ontology doc [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-06-08].
11:35:59 <wbailer> close action-258
11:35:59 <trackbot> ACTION-258 Ask thierry about javascript solution for automatically integrating mapping tables into ontology doc closed
11:36:44 <wbailer> thierry: is it right that it is in the minutes to go to lc?
11:37:10 <wbailer> joakim: we voted for lc if the changes on the wiki page are done; this are done now
11:37:19 <wbailer> thierry: take another vote to agree to lc?
11:38:59 <wbailer> we had agreed to move to LC under the condition that the issues at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Issues_for_LC are resolved
11:39:03 <pchampin> +1
11:39:07 <wbailer> these issues are now resolved
11:39:16 <wbailer> resolution: both documents can be moved to lc
11:39:16 <tmichel_> +1
11:39:29 <Zakim> + +972.5.254.1aabb
11:39:47 <joakim> +1
11:39:53 <Vero> +1
11:41:23 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
11:41:23 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
11:41:33 <tmichel_> tmichel@w3.org
11:43:01 <tmichel_> Resolution: API and Onthology moving LC
11:43:47 <wbailer> thierry: short explanation of process after going to lc
11:44:01 <wbailer> ... we should get comments at least from wgs we have dependencies with
11:44:09 <wbailer> ... we may get feedback from thepublic
11:44:28 <wbailer> ... will be tracking this comments, there is a tool called lc tracker
11:44:50 <wbailer> ... for each comment it gives the status
11:45:10 <wbailer> ... each comment will be discussed, thierry will send repsonse to commentor
11:45:25 <wbailer> ... commentor can agree to response or ask for more explanation
11:45:33 <wbailer> ... until final agreement
11:45:47 <wbailer> ... in some cases it might not be possible to reach agreement
11:46:14 <wbailer> ... group may disagree with comments, needs to be marked as not fulfilled
11:46:29 <wbailer> ... not fulfilled comments need to be discussed with director
11:46:59 <wbailer> ... it is up to the director to accept decision of group or not
11:47:31 <wbailer> ... tim berners lee or a representative of him will do this
11:48:11 <wbailer> ... lc tracker is tool for tracking status of each comment, propose to use this
11:48:30 <wbailer> thierry offers to do tracking of the comments
11:49:43 <wbailer> thierry: tracker will be opened next week, will present it in telco next week or in 2 weeks
11:49:54 <wbailer> thierry: all comments need to be answered to exit lc
11:50:10 <wbailer> ... new version of document including agreed comments has to be issues
11:50:17 <wbailer> s/issues/issued/
11:50:34 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:50:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
11:53:11 <wbailer> action: thierry to provide info on hotel and logistics for upcoming f2f
11:53:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-263 - Provide info on hotel and logistics for upcoming f2f [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-06-08].
11:54:32 <wbailer> [meeting adjourned]
11:54:40 <pchampin> bye bye :)
11:54:43 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:54:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
11:54:49 <Zakim> -veronique
11:54:50 <Zakim> -pchampin
11:54:52 <Zakim> - +972.5.254.1aabb
11:54:52 <Zakim> -wbailer
11:55:02 <Zakim> -Thierry
11:55:03 <Zakim> -joakim
11:55:04 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
11:55:06 <Zakim> Attendees were wbailer, joakim, veronique, +47.24.4.aaaa, pchampin, Thierry, +972.5.254.1aabb