IRC log of htmlt on 2010-06-01

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Zakim, this will be HTML
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM already started
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 01 June 2010
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scribe: plh
15:04:24 [krisk]
meeting: HTML5 Testing Task Force
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010May/0027.html
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topic: Check for any bugs on approved tests
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Kris: none
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Topic: Review Current Tests Posted To List For Approval
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Kris: no test to be approved.
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Topic: Discuss HTMLVideoElement Test
15:06:23 [plh]
--> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/raw-file/tip/tests/submission/Microsoft/video/video.htm Video test
15:08:24 [plh]
Kris: if someone want to do relative source, we'll need a small video in the repository
15:09:02 [plh]
plh: i'll make one
15:09:58 [krisk]
gsnedders did you take a peek at the video test?
15:10:18 [plh]
plh: in the test itself, you're manipulating the video using the DOM. are we fine with that?
15:10:54 [plh]
gsnedders: I was going to send feedback to the list
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Kris: are we fine with formats?
15:11:37 [krisk]
yes
15:11:46 [plh]
gsnedders: I can help generate the webm version
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plh: I'll send you a link to the mjpeg original
15:12:20 [krisk]
This one doesn't manipulate the DOM, though it does a document.write
15:12:49 [krisk]
Though it would be possible (another test) to create a video element and then set the src attribute in a simalar manner
15:13:34 [krisk]
gsnedders are you going to send some feedback on the test format to the list?
15:14:12 [krisk]
I think that would be good, since unlike some other tests the video/audio are going to require some human to verify
15:16:18 [plh]
plh: what are you supposed to see if the video is not playing?
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gsnedders: the first frame at 00:00:00
15:16:41 [krisk]
So then do we want to add an image to say what the video should look like?
15:16:54 [krisk]
Then maybe the same could be down at a given time?
15:17:01 [plh]
gsnedders: you could a ref test
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plh: I can add the first frame
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gsnedders: add also an other frame at one second as well.
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kris: you can only do approximation, due to video compression, even if you target a key frame
15:20:42 [plh]
gsnedders: that wouldn't work indeed, unless you get the frames from the video itself, in each format
15:22:05 [plh]
plh: I can make a video with a single frame
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gsnedders: make the entire video red apart from one frame
15:22:59 [krisk]
You can make it start red and change to green at a specific frame/frames.
15:23:53 [plh]
plh: ok, I'll make one
15:25:01 [plh]
kris: you can make a similar one for the video, with one beep at a particular time
15:25:09 [plh]
plh: sure
15:25:12 [krisk]
sure
15:25:53 [krisk]
any more comments on that agenda item?
15:26:15 [krisk]
my only comment would be to get this approved once we have this agreed upon.
15:26:18 [plh]
s/could a ref/could do a ref/
15:26:37 [krisk]
next agenda item http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=HTML+WG&component=testsuite&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=incl
15:26:48 [krisk]
wrong copy/paste..
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next agenda item - Status Update for pushing tests from hg -> tests.w3.org/html5/
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Topic: Status Update for pushing tests from Hg to tests.w3.org/html5/
15:28:28 [plh]
plh: I haven't been able to talk to the individual in charge of that
15:28:52 [krisk]
I've also started to take a peek at james async test example
15:30:50 [plh]
plh: I looked at the HTML5 spec and I don't think we're going to be able to generate automatic assertions out of it
15:31:07 [plh]
... we'll need to by hand and write test assertions
15:31:09 [Zakim]
-gsnedders
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-Plh
15:31:23 [krisk]
thanks - seems like the best approach is to just create them from the spec and get agreement
15:31:42 [plh]
zakim, drop krisk
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krisk is being disconnected
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HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
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present: krisk, phl, gsnedders
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Attendees were Plh, gsnedders, krisk
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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Chris: Kris
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Meeting: HTML5 Testing Task Force
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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Chair: Kris
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/01-htmlt-minutes.html plh
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