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15:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
15:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2010
15:58:20 <janina> zakim, drop janina
15:58:26 <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
15:58:31 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #html-wg
15:58:32 <janina> zakim, call janina
15:58:37 <rubys> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:58:41 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I don't know what conference this is
15:58:45 <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:58:46 <janina> zakim, call janina
15:58:53 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
15:58:55 <Zakim> +Janina
15:59:05 <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
15:59:07 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:59:09 <Zakim> +Mike
15:59:30 <MikeSmith> we seem to be having a lot of Zakim problems today
15:59:34 <Zakim> -Janina
15:59:36 <janina> zakim, drop janina
15:59:36 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
15:59:42 <janina> zakim, call janina
15:59:42 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
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15:59:43 <Zakim> +Janina
15:59:47 <Zakim> +Sam
15:59:50 <MikeSmith> or Zakim responding very slowly
16:00:25 <Zakim> +??P7
16:00:33 <Julian> Zakim, +??P7 is me
16:00:34 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+??P7'
16:00:38 <Zakim> -Janina
16:00:40 <Julian> Zakim, P7 is me
16:00:40 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
16:00:40 <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
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16:00:46 <Julian> Zakim, ??P7 is me
16:00:46 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
16:00:51 <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Cooper (56%)
16:01:03 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka
16:01:26 <rubys> zakim, mute Michael_Cooper
16:01:26 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:01:36 <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
16:01:47 <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
16:01:55 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
16:01:57 <rubys> anybody else hear noise?
16:02:02 <Mark> Mark has joined #html-wg
16:02:03 <janina> yes
16:02:14 <janina> Sounded like someone on a street--as a car/bus/truck just passed by
16:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aaaa
16:02:39 <adrianba> zakim, aaaa is me
16:02:39 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
16:02:59 <krisk> krisk has joined #HTML-WG
16:03:16 <Mark> Mark is 732368..., I am on mute so not making noise
16:03:29 <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
16:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper (muted), kliehm (muted), Mike, Sam, Julian, Janina_Sajka, Radhika_Roy, adrianba
16:04:21 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:04:22 <Mark> Mark from AT&T is on the phone (muted)
16:05:11 <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
16:05:11 <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
16:05:13 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft is krisk
16:05:13 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:05:31 <rubys> Not seeing plh: anybody willing to scribe?
16:06:00 <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aabb
16:06:29 <rubys> zakim, pick a scribe
16:06:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sam
16:06:35 <rubys> zakim, pick a scribe
16:06:35 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose adrianba
16:07:07 <adrianba> scribe: adrianba
16:07:11 <adrianba> scribenick: adrianba
16:07:15 <adrianba> chair: rubys
16:07:23 <rubys> topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thu May 27 
16:07:24 <Julian> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0012.html
16:07:26 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 from Sam Ruby on 2010-05-26 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:07:40 <adrianba> topic: ACTION items due by Thu May 27
16:07:43 <adrianba> action-29?
16:07:43 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-05-27 -- OPEN
16:07:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
16:07:45 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:50 <adrianba> action-178?
16:07:50 <trackbot> ACTION-178 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type -- due 2010-05-27 -- OPEN
16:07:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/178
16:07:50 <rubys> action-29?
16:07:50 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-05-27 -- OPEN
16:07:51 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-178 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
16:07:54 <adrianba> action-179?
16:07:57 <trackbot> ACTION-179 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to set automatic copy of HG to www.w3.org -- due 2010-05-27 -- OPEN
16:07:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/179
16:08:00 <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-179 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:01 <adrianba> rubys: plh doesn't seem to be here
16:08:22 <rubys> topic: 2. Recent Issues activity
16:08:27 <adrianba> TOPIC: Recent Issues activity
16:08:34 <adrianba> ISSUE-89?
16:08:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- open
16:08:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
16:08:34 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
16:08:35 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:38 <adrianba> ISSUE-92?
16:08:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- open
16:08:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
16:08:39 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-92 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:44 <adrianba> rubys: we have counter proposals
16:08:55 <adrianba> ISSUE-103?
16:08:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- open
16:08:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
16:08:56 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:00 <adrianba> ISSUE-107?
16:09:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
16:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
16:09:01 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:12 <adrianba> rubys: will actually issue a call for consensus - no counter proposals
16:09:23 <adrianba> ISSUE-86?
16:09:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-86 -- HTML5 relaxes Atom requirement on atom:id stability -- open
16:09:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/86
16:09:24 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-86 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:36 <adrianba> rubys: we will put a note out that we have consensus to remove this feature
16:09:43 <rubys> topic: 3. Items that close this week (by Fri May 28) 
16:09:47 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items that close this week (by Fri May 28)
16:09:53 <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
16:09:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:09:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:09:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:02 <adrianba> rubys: discussed at the TF
16:10:12 <janina> 8http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
16:10:14 <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:10:15 <adrianba> janina: document is substantially finished
16:10:27 <adrianba> ...still vetting for completeness in case of missing or mistaken content
16:10:34 <adrianba> ...will be a little language tweaking
16:10:52 <adrianba> ...in addition we're ready to move to the next step: gap analysis of candidate suggestions
16:10:59 <adrianba> ...little too soon to know how long this will take
16:11:09 <adrianba> ...my sense is we should know that after the gap analysis
16:11:16 <kliehm> s/8//
16:11:42 <adrianba> ...HCG group interested in this
16:11:48 <adrianba> ...will spend their next call looking at this
16:12:05 <adrianba> ISSUE-109?
16:12:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- raised
16:12:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
16:12:06 <Julian> change proposal for ISSUE-109: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ariasection (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010May/0390.html)
16:12:06 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:07 <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ariasection - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:12:11 <adrianba> rubys: now have a change proposal
16:12:35 <adrianba> ... ISSUE-111 through 115 no change proposals for these
16:12:38 <adrianba> ISSUE-111?
16:12:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-111 -- What does input.@required mean for @type = checkbox? -- raised
16:12:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/111
16:12:39 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-111 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:40 <adrianba> ISSUE-112?
16:12:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-112 -- negative keywords-not meta tags -- raised
16:12:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/112
16:12:41 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-112 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:42 <adrianba> ISSUE-113?
16:12:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- add a preventable forced-fragment method -- raised
16:12:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/113
16:12:45 <adrianba> ISSUE-114?
16:12:46 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-113 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:48 <adrianba> ISSUE-115?
16:12:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-114 -- link tag: rel: associate pages about the same organization across many sites for searches without a canonical page and despite a confusingly indistinct name -- raised
16:12:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/114
16:12:53 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-114 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-115 -- link tag: rel: associate pages about the same person across many sites for searches without a canonical page and despite a confusingly indistinct name -- raised
16:12:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/115
16:13:00 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-115 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:09 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:13:15 <adrianba> rubys: none
16:13:23 <adrianba> TOPIC: WG Decision Policy update
16:13:40 <adrianba> rubys: maciej is away at the moment
16:14:03 <adrianba> TOPIC: Discuss Survey results
16:14:14 <adrianba> rubys: ready to post decisions today on the first 3
16:14:17 <adrianba> ISSUE-66?
16:14:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- open
16:14:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
16:14:18 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:20 <adrianba> ISSUE-90?
16:14:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-90 -- Tighten the focus and allowable content in the figure element -- open
16:14:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/90
16:14:21 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-90 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:23 <adrianba> ISSUE-91?
16:14:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-91 -- Re-focus and tighten definition of the aside element -- open
16:14:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/91
16:14:25 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-91 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:32 <adrianba> rubys: will try to get to the next few in the next few days
16:14:46 <adrianba> TOPIC: Heartbeat Working Drafts & First Public Working Drafts
16:14:57 <adrianba> rubys: i have seen no objections to publishing any of these
16:15:03 <adrianba> ...have seen posts of support
16:15:07 <adrianba> ...will therefore be proceeding
16:15:21 <adrianba> TOPIC: Upcoming deadlines
16:15:47 <adrianba> rubys: already talked about iSSUE-9 and ISSUE-111 through 115
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16:16:07 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
16:16:22 <adrianba> rubys: A11Y - anything else to say beyond ISSUE-9
16:16:27 <adrianba> janina: no
16:16:40 <adrianba> rubys: Testing Task Force
16:16:48 <krisk> Meet last week as planned - agenda/irc log at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010May/0022.html
16:16:49 <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 5/18/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-05-27 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from May 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:16:55 <adrianba> krisk: met last week as planned
16:16:59 <krisk> The list has had the most traffic ever for a month (23 posts)
16:17:04 <adrianba> ...most posts ever to the mailing list this month
16:17:10 <wonsuk> Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
16:17:10 <adrianba> ...plh uploaded some video files
16:17:19 <adrianba> ...into the repository
16:17:25 <krisk> We have created a sample video test case using these videos http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/raw-file/tip/tests/submission/Microsoft/video/video.htm
16:17:26 <pimpbot> Title: HTMLVideoElement (at dvcs.w3.org)
16:17:30 <adrianba> ...now creating video tests
16:17:38 <adrianba> ...meeting again next week
16:18:18 <adrianba> rubys: janina, about canvas
16:18:30 <adrianba> janina: good news and bad news: bad news is deadline will slip
16:18:39 <adrianba> ...good news is everyone is participating in the discussion
16:18:54 <adrianba> ...we didn't have engineering feedback from apple but we had this late last week
16:19:06 <adrianba> ...the group is working to bring things into sync
16:19:12 <adrianba> ...but this is going to take a few more weeks
16:19:30 <adrianba> rubys: let's discuss this in 2 weeks from now
16:19:42 <adrianba> janina: yes, then we should have an idea of how long it will take if it is not done
16:19:52 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
16:20:00 <adrianba> rubys: any takers?
16:20:25 <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
16:20:27 <Zakim> +wonsuk
16:20:30 <adrianba> rubys: any volunteers?
16:20:48 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:20:52 <Zakim> - +1.206.850.aabb
16:20:53 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:20:53 <adrianba> rubys: thanks everyone
16:20:53 <Zakim> -Julian
16:20:55 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:20:55 <Zakim> -krisk
16:20:56 <janina> janina has left #html-wg
16:20:56 <Zakim> -Sam
16:20:56 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:20:58 <Zakim> -kliehm
16:21:07 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:21:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/27-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:21:07 <rubys> Thanks Adrian!
16:21:20 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:25:12 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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16:25:29 <Zakim> -wonsuk
16:25:31 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:25:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, kliehm, Janina, Sam, Julian, Janina_Sajka, Radhika_Roy, +1.206.922.aaaa, adrianba, MikeSmith, krisk, +1.206.850.aabb, Gregory_Rosmaita, wonsuk
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16:57:01 <pimpbot> planet: Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidity() method? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidity-method>
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17:57:18 <pimpbot> planet: Security in Depth: HTML5’s @sandbox <11http://blog.chromium.org/2010/05/security-in-depth-html5s-sandbox.html> 4** upcoming changes to the viewport meta tag for firefox mobile <11http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/05/upcoming-changes-to-the-viewport-meta-tag-for-firefox-mobile/>
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18:57:34 <pimpbot> planet: Does video tag (HTML 5) injection via JavaScript work in any browsers? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2923781/does-video-tag-html-5-injection-via-javascript-work-in-any-browsers> 4** Will Visual Studio 2010 support  HTML 5? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1682180/will-visual-studio-2010-support-html-5>
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20:58:02 <pimpbot> planet: How to pause an html 5 video at a specific time <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2924505/how-to-pause-an-html-5-video-at-a-specific-time>
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21:32:11 <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Updated publication date <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010May/0114.html> 4** eliot: Added section IDs throughout; added class attribute to high-level section tags to explicitly point out that content is informative. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010May/0113.html>
21:58:17 <pimpbot> planet: What webservers have support for HTML5 WebSocket? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2924991/what-webservers-have-support-for-html5-websocket> 4** Doctype, HTML 5 <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2924813/doctype-html-5>
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