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13:09:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7769
13:09:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start 9 minutes ago
13:09:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
13:09:23 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2010
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13:09:53 <laurent_lefort_cs> chair: laurent_lefort
13:11:17 <kerry> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:11:17 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has not yet started, kerry
13:11:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, cory, laurent_lefort_cs, kerry, rgarcia, Arthur, michael_, trackbot
13:11:55 <kerry> zakim, this is inc_ssn
13:11:55 <Zakim> ok, kerry; that matches INC_SSN()9:00AM
13:12:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
13:12:26 <rgarcia> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
13:12:26 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
13:12:27 <Zakim> +krp
13:12:32 <kerry> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:12:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +40.97.8.aaaa, ??P7, [IPcaller], +1.937.775.aabb, ??P14, ??P15, rgarcia, krp
13:12:34 <Zakim> -??P15
13:12:38 <Zakim> -??P14
13:12:51 <Zakim> +??P15
13:13:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
13:13:11 <Arthur> zakim, ??P15 is me
13:13:11 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:13:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, [IPCaller.a] is me
13:13:20 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
13:13:54 <Zakim> -??P7
13:14:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> trackbot, status
13:14:23 <Zakim> +??P7
13:14:31 <michael_> zakim, ??P7 is me
13:14:31 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
13:15:54 <kerry> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:15:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +40.97.8.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.937.775.aabb, rgarcia, krp, Arthur, laurent_lefort_cs, michael_
13:17:01 <kerry> agenda?
13:17:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> agenda + Project check point
13:17:59 <laurent_lefort_cs> scribenick rgarcia
13:18:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic Project point 
13:18:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
13:18:52 <kerry> scribenick: rgarcia
13:19:08 <rgarcia> Topic: Project check point
13:19:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who's making noise
13:19:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', laurent_lefort_cs
13:19:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who is making noise
13:19:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', laurent_lefort_cs
13:19:41 <kerry> zakim, who's making noise?
13:19:52 <Zakim> kerry, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +40.97.8.aaaa (24%)
13:20:25 <kerry> zakim, who's making noise?
13:20:36 <Zakim> kerry, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: laurent_lefort_cs (39%)
13:20:54 <kerry> i can hear
13:21:23 <laurent_lefort_cs> Project status: open (and closed) items, listing of OWL products
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13:22:57 <dongmei> hi,sorry for late
13:23:42 <Zakim> +[MIT528]
13:26:53 <kerry> +q
13:26:57 <rgarcia> Laurent: We are working in different products related to the ontology: the ontology and its extensions, other related ontology products, examples, and extensions
13:27:03 <rgarcia> Laurent: any comment?
13:27:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
13:28:03 <rgarcia> Kerry: What is the rationale behind this?
13:28:16 <rgarcia> Laurent: To provide an overview of what we are doing
13:28:55 <rgarcia> ... by defining sub-products of the ontology deliverable
13:30:03 <rgarcia> ... or products external to the group but that are related to it
13:35:48 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
13:36:15 <rgarcia> Topic: Deployments, Systems and devices
13:36:41 <kerry> i can hear michael
13:37:07 <michael_> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:DeploymentandProcess.png
13:38:28 <krp> the third was the time over which the "deployment" is installed
13:40:51 <kerry> +q
13:41:14 <michael_> +q
13:43:13 <rgarcia> Michael: Sensor networks are systems attached to a platform
13:43:24 <rgarcia> ... they are not platforms
13:44:03 <michael_> +q
13:44:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
13:44:56 <rgarcia> Kerry: I want to have deployed systems that are composed of other deployed systems
13:45:23 <krp> I think a Deployed System can comprise of several Systems (it's a sublass); each Deployed System can have several Deployments (the events)
13:45:37 <krp> (re-)Deployments
13:45:58 <krp> So I think it covers your case, Kerry
13:46:17 <kerry> I meant to ask -- what is the arrow between deployment and deployed systm?
13:46:58 <rgarcia> The hasDeloyment property
13:47:27 <krp> I assumed hasDeployment was offset a little and it was that
13:47:55 <krp> Though I'm not totally clear why DeployedSystem has to exist over System
13:48:51 <krp> Isn't a System that hasDeployment implicitly deployed - does it need to be explicit?
13:50:11 <kerry> Seems to me that it need not be explicit
13:50:21 <michael_> agreed
13:50:27 <rgarcia> +q
13:50:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael_
13:50:47 <kerry> +q
13:51:41 <krp> it would seem less confusing in Kerry's case where a system that's deployed contains another system that in itself has previously been deployed
13:51:56 <krp> so yes, I suspect it need not be explicit
13:52:09 <krp> and would be tidied for redeployed and subsumed systems
13:52:11 <kerry> -q
13:52:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack rgarcia
13:53:13 <kerry> I think we decided to remove
13:53:22 <kerry> the "deployed system" class
13:53:46 <kerry> perhaps krp could speak to that?
13:55:25 <Arthur> Deployment in this draft describes the deployment-time, what about deployment location either absolute or relative?
13:56:03 <michael_> +q
13:56:07 <kerry> sounds right to me
13:56:57 <kerry> and for symmetry -- shouln't there also be an end_deployment location?
13:57:08 <krp> so does System have a location? or is it a property that makes a DeployedSystem explicit?
13:57:13 <rgarcia> Michael: DOLCE:process does not have a location, the participants of the process do have a location
13:57:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Review of the mechanism for the annotation of ontology content 
13:58:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Terminology_and_Term_Provenance_in_the_Ontology
13:58:12 <krp> Kerry - yes (and kelsey suggested commissioned and decommissioned as clearer terminology for the deployment event)
13:58:18 <rgarcia> Action: Michael to analyse the representation of location for next meeting
13:58:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Analyse the representation of location for next meeting [on Michael Compton - due 2010-06-01].
13:58:31 <rgarcia> Topic: Provenance in the ontology
13:59:21 <Zakim> - +40.97.8.aaaa
13:59:29 <kerry> my phone just went dead!
13:59:39 <kerry> please look at the link
13:59:43 <kerry> I will type quickly
13:59:59 <kerry> I propose that we have a very simple approach
14:00:18 <kerry> to capture the "definition" of a "term" in our ontology
14:00:39 <kerry> where "term" means "class", and probably don't bother with properties
14:00:51 <kerry> we use the annotation proprty
14:01:11 <kerry> "rdfs:comment: for the English definition of the intention of the term
14:01:24 <kerry> and we use he annotation propprt dc:source
14:01:42 <kerry> fto indicate (in free text) where we got it from.
14:01:45 <kerry> over.
14:02:36 <rgarcia> +q
14:02:43 <kerry> I can't hear discussion ... if there is some perhaps you could summarise for me?
14:03:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> rgarcia: we need to document the properties too
14:03:47 <michael_> +q
14:03:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> laurent (to rgarcia): do you have an example of documented properties?
14:04:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> rgarcia: no but it would be similar using comments and dc:source
14:05:15 <rgarcia> yes
14:05:33 <rgarcia> Michael: properties are also described in the specifications
14:06:05 <rgarcia> Topic: AOB
14:06:53 <rgarcia> Laurent: Will give a talk about the SSN-XG next Thursday
14:07:27 <Zakim> -[MIT528]
14:07:28 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aabb
14:07:32 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:07:33 <Zakim> -rgarcia
14:07:36 <Zakim> -michael_
14:07:39 <Zakim> -krp
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14:08:26 <kerry> laurent -- i think i should have an action to fix up the wiki page according to waht was decided but i'm not sure what was decided.
14:08:30 <kerry> I'll catch you thursday.
14:08:51 <kerry> no -- friday probably.
14:09:05 <kerry> ok -- monday!
14:09:11 <kerry> bye!
14:10:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, bye 
14:10:06 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +40.97.8.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.937.775.aabb, krp, rgarcia, Arthur, laurent_lefort_cs, michael_, [MIT528]
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14:10:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public 
14:10:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, draft minutes 
14:10:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:10:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, bye 
14:10:30 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:10:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to analyse the representation of location for next meeting [1]
14:10:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-ssn-irc#T13-58-18
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14:32:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> rssagent, generate minutes
14:35:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:35:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs