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14:00:22 <koalie> Zakim, this will be inc_lldxg
14:00:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, koalie
14:00:29 <koalie> Zakim, list?
14:00:29 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, koalie.
14:00:36 <koalie> Zakim, conferences?
14:00:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, koalie.
14:00:40 <koalie> Zakim, conference?
14:00:40 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, koalie.
14:00:55 <koalie> Zakim, this will be lldxg
14:00:55 <Zakim> ok, koalie; I see INC_(LLDXG)10:30AM scheduled to start in 30 minutes
14:01:35 <koalie> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:02:47 <koalie> koalie has changed the topic to: LLD-XG intro call - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/charter.html
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14:28:52 <koalie> hello!
14:29:01 <koalie> give me a minute and I'll be on the call
14:29:11 <Emmanuelle> hi
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14:30:41 <koalie> Zakim, code?
14:30:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 55394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), koalie
14:30:54 <Zakim> INC_(LLDXG)10:30AM has now started
14:31:01 <Zakim> +koalie
14:31:10 <Zakim> + +31.20.420.aaaa
14:31:12 <Zakim> -koalie
14:31:14 <Zakim> +koalie
14:31:30 <koalie> Zakim, aaaa is Antoine
14:31:30 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
14:31:41 <Zakim> + +5379aabb
14:31:53 <koalie> Zakim, aabb is Emmanuelle
14:31:53 <Zakim> +Emmanuelle; got it
14:32:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:32:22 <koalie> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Tom
14:32:22 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
14:35:25 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Main_Page
14:38:13 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/SKOS
14:40:46 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/
14:41:07 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld-xg/
14:41:14 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/
14:43:40 <antoine> +1 woth what TomB is going to say!
14:43:48 <antoine> s/woth/with
14:44:33 <koalie> TomB: I would like an additional list, called something like public-lld
14:45:47 <TomB> public-xhtml2@w3.org
14:46:10 <koalie> antoine: public-lld would be specific to the xg even in public
14:46:13 <TomB> List Purpose: This is the public mailing list for the XHTML2 Working Group.
14:46:23 <koalie> ... the other would be community oriented, and not pulluted by group administration
14:47:10 <TomB> public-rdfa@w3.org and public-rdfa-wg@w3.org
14:49:21 <koalie> Tom: want to limit participation to people who are actively contributing and writing deliverables
14:49:51 <koalie> ... for people who are interested in the work of the group, we want to give then a channel
14:49:59 <koalie> ... like done in RDFa
14:50:15 <koalie> ... and this is used as a community list
14:50:51 <koalie> ... It would be helpful to have a second public list
14:51:15 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/ was used as the community-oriented list nest to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/
14:51:24 <antoine> s/nest/next
14:53:53 <koalie> coralie: the public-xg-lld can survive the XG
14:53:58 <koalie> ... we don't need to close it.
14:54:20 <koalie> Coralie: I'll ask about your second list and will report.
14:55:13 <koalie> Antoine: in SWD we had access to a part of w3.org
14:55:27 <koalie> Tom: CVS access
14:55:34 <koalie> Coralie: Will you need CVS access?
14:55:42 <koalie> ... you can have CVS access
14:55:47 <koalie> Antoine: We can start with the wiki
14:55:52 <koalie> Tom: I think we need a web page
14:58:43 <TomB> Coralie: To get CVS acccess, send me your SSH public key.
14:58:47 <koalie> Coralie: I'm the one helping you with CVS access, just provide me with your SSH public key
14:59:55 <TomB> Coralie is breaking up...
15:00:10 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/xg-guide.html
15:01:07 <koalie> Emmanuelle: I'll have to learn how to use IRC and Zakim
15:02:11 <TomB> Antoine: Qst about minutes of meeting. rrsagent, please draft minutes, then corrected. After that, meetings were put in W3C space.  Should we put on wiki or in W3C space?
15:02:34 <TomB> Coralie: Either space.  Some prefer to write only in wiki. No expectation.
15:02:50 <TomB> ... Scribe tools will work the same as in SWD.
15:03:38 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
15:03:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html koalie
15:03:50 <TomB> q+ to ask whether the OWL2 minutes tool is available
15:04:13 <koalie> meeting: Introduction to XG life
15:04:21 <koalie> chair: Coralie
15:04:25 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
15:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html koalie
15:05:08 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
15:07:02 <koalie> ack tom
15:07:02 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask whether the OWL2 minutes tool is available
15:07:03 <TomB> I wrote a guide to setting up a telecon on Zakim - see Scribing.html
15:07:32 <koalie> [antoine looks for the OWL2 minutes tool link]
15:08:52 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-05-27
15:09:14 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-10
15:09:19 <koalie> formatted by commonscribe
15:09:24 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ CommonScribe
15:09:50 <koalie> Coralie: feel free to use any minute formatting tool, really no expectation from us
15:11:12 <TomB> +1 Antoine to use simple minutes
15:11:33 <TomB> q+ to ask about issue tracker
15:11:38 <koalie> ack tom
15:11:38 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask about issue tracker
15:11:49 <Emmanuelle> +1 to use simple minutes
15:12:53 <koalie> Tom: We might need one later.
15:13:08 <TomB> Everyone still out there?
15:13:11 <koalie> Antoine: the end of the XG guide gives instructions on how to request a tracker.
15:14:17 <TomB> q+ to ask whether XG Chairs will automatically join SWCG
15:15:03 <koalie> ack tom
15:15:03 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask whether XG Chairs will automatically join SWCG
15:15:20 <TomB> Semantic Web Coordination Group
15:15:45 <TomB> and chairs@w3.org?
15:16:23 <koalie> Coralie: I don't know, I'll ask.
15:16:49 <koalie> Tom: I'm already part of it. I believe I can stay on. The question is whether Antoine and Emmanuelle they can join that group,
15:17:02 <koalie> ... and the question to them is whether they want to be part of that group
15:17:12 <koalie> ... it's not mandatory, but it's interesting.
15:17:28 <koalie> Coralie: I'll let you discuss about the latter, and I'll ask about the former.
15:17:57 <koalie> Tom: It provides a way to keep in touch with major milestones.
15:18:35 <koalie> Coralie: re: chairs@w3.org yes that will be automatic.
15:23:55 <koalie> Tom: I have a question on how any Invited Experts we can expect to have in the XG
15:24:08 <koalie> ... We'll proceed cautiously with IEs
15:24:16 <koalie> Coralie: Yes
15:24:35 <koalie> ... IE applications are reviewed by Mauro Nunez and the W3C Management
15:24:46 <koalie> ... keeping a balance is good
15:26:26 <koalie> ... no clear-cut answer, it's really case by case, if you need many IEs
15:26:43 <koalie> Tom: library world is big
15:26:56 <koalie> ... Many are not Members
15:27:10 <koalie> Emmanuelle: Libraries in universities
15:27:19 <koalie> ... Some can be persuaded to join later, like BNF
15:27:32 <koalie> [Coralie was going to make the same point]
15:27:49 <koalie> Tom: XG is a good way to recruit new Members, by getting them involved
15:27:53 <koalie> ... We'll see how it goes.
15:28:20 <koalie> Mauro Nunez
15:33:16 <koalie> [adjourned]
15:33:26 <Zakim> -koalie
15:33:27 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
15:33:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html koalie
15:34:03 <TomB> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:34:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html TomB
15:34:03 <koalie> Zakim, list attendees
15:34:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been koalie, +31.20.420.aaaa, Antoine, +5379aabb, Emmanuelle, Tom
15:34:07 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
15:34:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html koalie
15:34:58 <koalie> s/<koalie> ->/<kooalie> ->/g
15:35:01 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
15:35:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-minutes.html koalie
15:35:50 <koalie> RRSAgent, bye
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> I see no action items