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19:45:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
19:45:16 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2010
19:45:30 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:45:50 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meetings
19:45:56 <Holger> agenda+ Operational/survival range and restrictions
19:46:02 <Holger> agenda+ Deployments, Systems and Devices
19:46:08 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
19:46:16 <Holger> Chair: Holger
19:46:27 <Holger> Regrets: Cory, Luis
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20:07:12 <Holger> zakim, who's here?
20:07:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, david, Arthur, krzysztof_j, krp
20:07:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see krp, krzysztof_j, Arthur, kelsey, Zakim, RRSAgent, Holger, trackbot
20:09:45 <krzysztof_j> hi
20:12:27 <Holger> agenda?
20:14:03 <krzysztof_j> iam
20:14:07 <Zakim> -krzysztof_j
20:14:46 <Holger> ScribeNick: krp
20:15:45 <krp> Topic: email to Luis re: MMI ontology
20:16:13 <krp> Holger: sent email; Luis not on call
20:16:28 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png
20:16:51 <krp> Holger: not heard from Payam on operation/survival model
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20:17:50 <krp> Holger: has anyone heard anything from Payam regarding the operating model?
20:17:50 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
20:18:50 <krp> Topic: alignment of MMI device and platform ontologies and SSN
20:19:08 <krp> Holger: MMI are aware of the alignment issues; work is in progress
20:20:55 <krp> Holger: how are deployments being handled? Attached to platform or instrument?
20:21:35 <krp> ... how are sub-deployments being handled in relation to a new deployment?
20:22:06 <krp> Which wiki page is this, Holger?
20:22:19 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
20:25:45 <krzysztof_j> ack, in this case it is a process
20:26:20 <krp> Holger: is deployment a state... a lifetime of a system
20:26:57 <krp> krp: Is deployment an event.. a process that happens to the installation
20:26:59 <krzysztof_j> yes, i would think so
20:28:10 <krzysztof_j> entity:sensor participatesIn process:deployment
20:28:46 <krp> Can you re-deploy the same system instance?
20:28:50 <krzysztof_j> ack
20:29:49 <krp> Holger: the deployment is putting the sensors in the field, not the time the sensor is in the field
20:30:11 <krp> krzysztof_j: and the configuration of the sensors for that environment
20:31:05 <krp> Holger: three options: the act of putting the system in the field
20:31:14 <krp> ... the time the system is in the field
20:31:36 <krp> ... the configuration of the system for that environment
20:33:35 <krp> indeed - does it matter
20:33:39 <krp> ?
20:36:25 <krp> kelsey: we need to remember that many sensor are not static. Data from them moves in space and time.
20:40:55 <krp> In the wider framework of: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts
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20:41:42 <krp> Holger: would it make sense to have an act of deployment, which is a process? Construction and deconstruction
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20:43:44 <kelsey> installed = commissioned and uninstalled = decomissioned?
20:43:55 <krp> yes, that's clear terminology
20:45:22 <krp> Arthur: should be some way to represent that the sensor is deployed in one place, and then another
20:50:32 <michael> I can - but you'll have to catch me up on the bits I just missed
20:50:44 <krp> What is the intention of the diagram on the wiki from MMI?
20:50:55 <krp> in relation to whether it's the event of deployment
20:51:12 <krp> or is it trying to solve being able to resolve when and where an observation was made
20:51:13 <krp> ?
20:51:49 <krp> Right.. so what we care about is where the *measurement* was made..
20:51:56 <krp> ... but we're talking about devices and systems
20:53:43 <michael> +q
20:54:40 <krp> Holger: we next need to look at time
20:54:49 <Holger> ack michael
20:55:04 <krp> michael: dolce has the idea of moving through space and time... so is a location fixed in both time and space?
20:55:51 <krp> krzysztof_j: entities participating over the lifetime
20:56:17 <krzysztof_j> locations are participants in the lifetime/deployment of the sensor
20:57:16 <krp> how is a lifetime scoped? would a given system have more than one? (lifetime ~=deployment?)
20:57:34 <kelsey> yes
20:57:39 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:58:50 <krp> so lifetime/deployment is scoped as between commissioning and decommissioning?
20:59:04 <krzysztof_j> ok
20:59:30 <krzysztof_j> yes
21:01:21 <krp> arthur and holger: lifetime is perhaps misleading, but can define deployment in terms of (de)commissioning
21:02:00 <krp> kelsey: what is the relationship between the system lifetime and that of the constituent devices
21:03:14 <krp> do we have to decide if we can model both cases?
21:04:21 <michael> agreed, those are options our model should allow
21:04:35 <krp> right, to whatever granularity is appropriate
21:05:05 <michael> +q
21:05:29 <krp> Yes, many thanks!
21:05:47 <krzysztof_j> YES, thanks holger!
21:05:49 <kelsey> Thank you Holger and best wishes in your new pursuits!
21:05:57 <krp> michael: thanks to Holger for his work chairing the group
21:06:59 <krzysztof_j> bye bye
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21:07:37 <Holger> zakim, bye 
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21:07:47 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
21:07:54 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:07:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-ssn-minutes.html Holger
21:08:10 <Holger> rrsagent, bye
21:08:10 <RRSAgent> I see no action items