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14:55:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
14:55:18 <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2010
14:55:50 <YolandaGil> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010May/0005.html
14:56:15 <YolandaGil> chair: Yolanda Gil
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14:58:51 <jcheney> zakim, ??p2 is me
14:58:51 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
14:58:59 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aabb
14:59:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:59:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:59:06 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:59:12 <olaf> Zakim, aabb is olaf
14:59:12 <Zakim> +olaf; got it
14:59:17 <Yogesh> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yolanda, +1.540.449.aaaa, jcheney, olaf, Ivan
14:59:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:41 <Yogesh> Zakim, +1.540.449.aaaa is Zakim really me
14:59:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.540.449.aaaa is Zakim really me', Yogesh
14:59:50 <Zakim> +??P7
15:00:01 <Yogesh> Zakim, +1.540.449.aaaa is really me
15:00:01 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
15:00:59 <paolo> zakim, +??P7 is really me  
15:00:59 <Zakim> sorry, paolo, I do not recognize a party named '+??P7'
15:01:18 <Zakim> +??P5
15:01:21 <Zakim> +michaelp
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15:01:24 <Zakim> + +1.619.524.aacc
15:02:02 <Zakim> +??P12
15:02:08 <paolo> zakim, +??P7 is Paolo
15:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, paolo, I do not recognize a party named '+??P7'
15:02:28 <Zakim> +jun
15:02:31 <SamCoppens> zakim, +??P12 is SamCoppens
15:02:31 <Zakim> sorry, SamCoppens, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12'
15:02:32 <paolo> zakim, ??P7 is really me
15:02:32 <Zakim> +paolo; got it
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15:02:59 <SamCoppens> zakim, ??P12 is SamCoppens
15:02:59 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
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15:03:36 <dgarijo> Zakim, [IPcaller] is really me
15:03:36 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
15:03:44 <olaf> http://www.slideshare.net/olafhartig/brief-introduction-to-the-provenance-vocabulary-for-w3c-provxg
15:03:57 <dgarijo> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yolanda, Yogesh, jcheney, olaf, Ivan, dgarijo, paolo, ??P5, michaelp (muted), +1.619.524.aacc, SamCoppens, jun
15:04:10 <SamCoppens> Scribe: SamCoppens
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15:05:34 <Zakim> + +1.518.608.aadd
15:05:36 <Zakim> +??P18
15:06:07 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee
15:06:12 <JIm> Zakim ??P18 is JIm
15:09:10 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Provenance voabulary meant for publishing provenance of Linked Data
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15:13:46 <SamCoppens> Olaf: vocabulary must be understandable
15:14:06 <SamCoppens> Olaf: no granlularity is predefined
15:14:36 <SamCoppens> Olaf: aother vocabularies are used for a more detailed description along the linked data principle
15:14:38 <Zakim> + +1.915.747.aaff
15:15:19 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Provenance vocabulary contains links to related vocabularies
15:15:35 <paolo> q?
15:15:43 <SamCoppens> Olaf: aim is to integrate provenance data in the web of data
15:16:12 <SamCoppens> Olaf: development of metadata components automatically generate provenance data
15:16:59 <SamCoppens> Olaf: provenance data in addition of the published linked data
15:17:38 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Future work: allignment of provenance vocabularies
15:18:07 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Future work: extra modules for aspects not covered yet by the provenance vocabulary
15:18:17 <paolo> q+
15:18:25 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Future work: extra publication tools
15:18:42 <JIm> Can you discuss slide 11...
15:20:21 <ssahoo> Provenir ontology slides: http://knoesis.wright.edu/library/download/ProvenirOntology_satyasahoo.pdf
15:23:19 <SamCoppens> Jun: mappings allow to query different provenance vocabularies
15:23:45 <SamCoppens> Jun: concern: the vocabulary is not meant to describe everything
15:24:52 <YolandaGil> q+
15:27:05 <SamCoppens> yolanda: How is the linked data community is thinking in terms of provenance, what are the requirements, ... 
15:27:52 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Not many usecases untill now, general understanding: publish and then see how it is used
15:28:06 <SamCoppens> Olaf: The provenance vocab delivers the means for this
15:28:26 <SamCoppens> Olaf: next step is see how this provenance information can be used
15:28:46 <SamCoppens> Jun: also used for evaluation of the published data
15:30:30 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: How much of the provenance data is being consumated?
15:30:33 <paolo> q?
15:30:40 <paolo> q-
15:31:34 <michaelp> q+
15:31:37 <JIm> +q
15:31:43 <SamCoppens> Olaf: they can use provenance descriptions and a more detailed description can be delivered by e.g. OPM
15:32:29 <SamCoppens> Olaf: At least some of the provenance data, e.g. Dublin Core, is being used and a little more complicated model can help with this
15:32:36 <YolandaGil> q-
15:34:31 <YolandaGil> ack michaelp
15:34:36 <YolandaGil> ack JIm
15:36:05 <paolo>  http://knoesis.wright.edu/library/download/ProvenirOntology_satyasahoo.pdf
15:36:11 <SamCoppens> Satya: Provenir Ontology
15:40:52 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
15:41:13 <Zakim> +??P12
15:41:33 <SamCoppens> zakim, ??p12 is SamCoppens
15:41:33 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
15:43:19 <SamCoppens> Upper ontology used for creating domain ontologies
15:43:22 <Zakim> - +1.619.524.aacc
15:44:29 <SamCoppens> Satya: e.g. Trident ontology, Janus Ontology, Parasite Experiment Ontology 
15:44:52 <SamCoppens> Satya: This allows interoperability between the domain ontologies
15:45:34 <SamCoppens> Satya: Query operators support provenance queries
15:47:38 <SamCoppens> Satya: query engine supports query operators
15:47:57 <SamCoppens> Satya: support for rdfs entailments
15:48:15 <SamCoppens> Satya: -->reasoning!
15:49:00 <SamCoppens> Satya: support for the full provenance cycle
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15:49:51 <SamCoppens> Satya: capture the provenance of the rdf statements (slide 12)
15:50:27 <SamCoppens> Satya: From which source are the rdf triples derived from
15:51:36 <SamCoppens> Satya: derives_from gives all the provenance information (slide 13)
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15:55:06 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: provenance of published articles, but we haven't dealt with the complexity of the process
15:55:53 <SamCoppens> Yolanda: how to deal with the granularity?
15:57:03 <SamCoppens> Satya: provenir does not deal with the complexity
15:58:06 <SamCoppens> Satya: provenance can be domain specific, e.g. the description of the processes involved
15:58:52 <SamCoppens> Why no relationship: generated_by_process
15:58:55 <SamCoppens> ?
15:59:07 <Zakim> -??P18
15:59:11 <paolo> q+
15:59:28 <SamCoppens> Satya: you can create specialised properties for this
16:00:26 <Zakim> -Yolanda
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16:00:39 <SamCoppens> Next topic: the mappings
16:00:45 <olaf> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Vocabulary_Mappings
16:01:07 <SamCoppens> Satya: creation of set of mappings between the provenance vocabularies
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16:01:55 <SamCoppens> Satya: approach: used the terms of the OPM model as a starting point
16:02:16 <SamCoppens> Satya: other provenance terms from other vocabularies are mapped to this
16:02:48 <SamCoppens> Olaf: this is only a first step
16:03:05 <SamCoppens> Olaf: second step: which properties doesn't fit to OPM
16:03:32 <SamCoppens> Olaf: Third step: to which term can these be mapped then
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16:04:18 <SamCoppens> Michael: some elements are not provenance focused
16:04:34 <SamCoppens> Michael: these mappings can be very useful
16:04:55 <michaelp> Other null-mappings will be provenance-focussed elements that are not part of OPM
16:04:56 <SamCoppens> Satya: Every Thursday on 11 am Boston
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16:05:03 <ivan> zakim, drop me
16:05:03 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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16:07:32 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:07:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Yolanda, jcheney, +49.302.093.aabb, Ivan, olaf, Yogesh, michaelp, +1.619.524.aacc, jun, paolo, SamCoppens, dgarijo, +1.518.608.aadd,
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