14:57:08 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 14:57:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-irc 14:57:10 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:57:10 Zakim has joined #html-a11y 14:57:12 Zakim, this will be 2119 14:57:13 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 14:57:13 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:57:13 Date: 13 May 2010 14:57:29 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started 14:57:35 +Eric_Carlson 14:58:07 +Gregory_Rosmaita 14:58:09 +John_Foliot 14:58:31 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0109.html 14:58:37 Zakim, call Mike 14:58:37 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 14:58:38 +Mike 14:59:05 janina has left #html-a11y 14:59:11 janina has joined #html-a11y 14:59:21 zakim, call janina 14:59:21 ok, janina; the call is being made 14:59:23 +Janina 14:59:34 Marco_Ranon has joined #html-a11y 14:59:40 Chair: Janina 14:59:54 zakim, drop janina 14:59:54 Janina is being disconnected 14:59:56 -Janina 14:59:59 zakim, call janina 14:59:59 ok, janina; the call is being made 15:00:01 +Janina 15:00:44 +Cooper 15:00:49 +Janina_Sajka 15:00:58 -Janina 15:01:27 Hi All. I can't dial in but I'll be following on irc. 15:02:43 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:02:43 On the phone I see Eric_Carlson, Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, Mike, Cooper, Janina_Sajka 15:03:10 Thanks. 15:03:25 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon 15:03:25 Chair: Janina_Sajka 15:03:25 agenda: this 15:03:25 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List 15:03:25 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open 15:03:26 agenda+ Canvas, Media, & ARIA Subteam Updates 15:03:28 agenda+ CFC re WEBSRT http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0090.html 15:03:30 agenda+ Display, Focus, Labels, & Semantics Bugs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0030.html 15:03:34 agenda+ Resolved & Rejected Bugs Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0086.html 15:03:36 agenda+ New Business 15:03:38 agenda+ next meetings, confirm date/time, choose scribe 15:03:40 agenda+ be done 15:03:44 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0109.html 15:04:38 + +0154558aaaa 15:04:57 zakim, +01 is Sean_Hayes 15:04:57 +Sean_Hayes; got it 15:05:19 regrets: Laura_Carlson, Sylvia_Pfieffer, Denis_Boudreau, Steve_Faulkner, Kelly_Ford,Ben_Caldwell 15:06:08 scribe - JF 15:06:28 Judy has joined #html-a11y 15:06:36 greg: use colons instead of dashes 15:06:45 scribenick: JF 15:06:45 +[IPcaller] 15:06:47 scribe: JF 15:06:54 scribe: John_Foliot 15:06:57 zakim, IPcaller is Cynthia_Shelly 15:06:57 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it 15:06:58 Action items review 15:06:58 Sorry, couldn't find user - items 15:07:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:07:13 scribe: JF 15:07:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open 15:07:53 Action 25 on Steve 15:07:53 Sorry, couldn't find user - 25 15:07:59 cyns has joined #html-a11y 15:08:06 Action: 25 15:08:06 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 15:08:36 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/25 15:08:37 Authoring guidance document - Alt Techniaues 15:09:07 close action-25 15:09:07 ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments closed 15:09:18 Action-28 15:09:23 on greg 15:09:41 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/28 15:09:59 Greg: decdied that adding this as an apendix will be distracting 15:10:07 will continue to work on this in the wiki 15:10:29 action-28 due 27 May 15:10:29 ACTION-28 - prepare text for SteveF's guidance document about future of data-mining using RDFPic methodology outlined in post to list due date now 27 May 15:10:37 decide to keep open - push the date to may 27 15:11:02 2 Actions open, all others in sub-groups 15:11:27 +??P22 15:11:29 Janina: Canvas appears still stuck, awaiting feedback from Apple 15:11:47 -Mike 15:11:49 zakim ??P22 is jon 15:11:55 zakim, ??P22 is jon 15:11:55 +jon; got it 15:12:01 still on track for deadline (June 3) 15:12:13 zakim, call Mike 15:12:13 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 15:12:15 +Mike 15:12:22 Windows and Linux seem ok, but don't know about Apple 15:12:25 http://www.w3.org/2010/05/10-html-a11y-minutes 15:12:33 -Mike 15:12:54 ERic: will talk to Maciej - who promised to get on it 15:13:12 Eric: suggests to remnid Maciej on the larger WG call 15:13:40 not heard anything from Chaals re: Image-map proposal 15:13:54 zakim, call Mike 15:13:54 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 15:13:56 +Mike 15:13:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas 15:13:59 believe both can co-exist 15:14:21 ARIA group on track for June 24th 15:14:35 frankolivier has joined #html-a11y 15:14:46 scribenick: oedipus 15:14:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/products/2 15:14:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Accessibility_Requirements_of_Media 15:14:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/MultimediaAccessibility 15:15:12 JF: had good call yesterday -- needs assessment was the main topic - a11y requirements for media wiki document 15:15:53 JF: concern that not all user groups not all represented - JBrewer soliciting feedback/input from deafblind community; more feedback from DAISY on architectural structure 15:16:12 JF: please review media work - break down reqs to bullet and action items this week 15:16:35 JF: progress being made - Javascript API and TimeText Association - fine, but no active work until reqs doc completed 15:17:12 JF: other topic we need to discuss is WebSRT -- a lot of activity on list -- hixie did remove WebSRT from W3C version of spec; still in WHAT WG version 15:17:29 JF: still need to have discussion on what timestamp format or formats will be supported 15:17:30 +[Microsoft] 15:17:53 JF: will be monitoring listmail on topic - next week, where do we go from here - timed text or WebSRT or both 15:18:15 thanks greg 15:18:29 JS: please review requirements document -- thanks to Sean for compiling: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Accessibility_Requirements_of_Media 15:18:50 encourage all to review the Accessibility Requirements doc 15:19:07 JS: timeline - another week for reqs gathering, then compare with tech currently on table and identifying gaps and reach out to communities to ensure that we are reaching all target audiences 15:19:20 Janina: hypertext pf coordinations express great interest of this document 15:19:31 requesting a presentation of said in June 15:19:44 i/scribenick: JF/Janina: hypertext pf/ 15:19:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:20:17 Discussion of new content (media items) in W3C Spec document 15:20:31 draft resolution of last week 15:21:04 however events have now made the CfC moot, as Ian removed that text from W3C draft 15:21:23 questions of "scope" for the HTML5 docu 15:21:31 time formats (Web SRT) 15:21:43 likely will split out to a seperate spec document 15:21:44 i/scribenick+ JF/Janina: hypertext pf/ 15:21:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:22:15 suggestion to just drop Cfc? non objections 15:22:58 Michel has a number of bugs + suggestions on how to deal 15:23:08 i/scribe: JF/Janina: hypertext pf/ 15:23:12 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/att-0030/display_focus_label_semantic.html Bug disposition proposals 15:23:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:24:26 MichaelC 15:24:46 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8652 15:24:58 Proposed to close bug 15:25:46 Janina: announced that we would return to editorial issues on a second pass 15:26:04 discussion of length and understandability of the current text 15:26:29 Cyns: expressing concern about how this will be received 15:27:03 Janina: we should get some successes under our belt before we take on editorial issuse 15:27:20 Cyns: we should make a new bug regarding the text 15:27:49 Greg: once we get guidance into the ALT document from Steve, then we can add or modify 15:28:23 we should be working on advancing STeve's docu, then work on ensuring that conflicting text is modified or removed from the HTML5 Draft 15:29:18 MichaelC on 8652, should we close it? 15:30:05 Addressed by Text Alternatives proposal 15:30:08 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 15:30:10 ACTION: Cynthia - monitor status of @alt in HTML5 spec; when SteveF's Alt Guidance is published, ensure that what is in SteveF's note supersedes or corrects HTML5 verbiage; propose changes to HTML5 based on SteveF's alt doc 15:30:10 Created ACTION-44 - - monitor status of @alt in HTML5 spec; when SteveF's Alt Guidance is published, ensure that what is in SteveF's note supersedes or corrects HTML5 verbiage; propose changes to HTML5 based on SteveF's alt doc [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2010-05-20]. 15:30:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:30:43 related to media - problem with user-agents. If they support media format, and it doesn't load, then it does not present fall-back content 15:31:01 MichaelC: should be referred to media sub-group 15:31:31 Eric: agrees that this should go to Media sub-grou 15:31:50 Assign to: JF (no objections) 15:32:14 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8671 15:32:27 beleives has been resolve - should close? 15:32:35 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8673 15:33:09 Command element apepars to have different functions, might cause author issues 15:33:20 Cyns: has a work item in mapping task-force 15:33:36 elements are going to change role based on context 15:33:43 beleives that work will address this bug 15:33:57 assigned to Cyns, related to mapping sub-group 15:34:03 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8717 15:34:27 believe we can accept as Fixed and close this 15:35:02 relates to legacy behavior, so we should close 15:35:08 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8723 15:35:18 Image map un-specified 15:35:33 needs a proposal, but not urgent 15:35:43 will assign to Chaals with deadline 15:36:03 if nothing in, then close without prejeduce 15:36:13 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:36:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith 15:36:42 MichaelC: this might be complex, we should likely give hime 4 weeks 15:37:09 Deadline of JUne 10, close after that if no proposal 15:37:17 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 15:37:42 do we want to live with the command api as it exists, or push for role-based support? 15:38:21 relates to access element 15:38:52 Greg: working on access element proposal by end of this week 15:39:00 oedipus has joined #html-a11y 15:39:02 Cyns: sounds like it needs more investigation 15:39:07 look at access vs command 15:39:41 Cyns looking at command stuff this week - will coordinate with Greg 15:39:49 discuss off-line? 15:40:34 Cyns: believes they will be taling about cammand stuff in the mapping sub-group in the next week or 2 15:40:36 cyns, your previously assigned action item is http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/44 15:40:43 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8747 15:41:29 MichaelC - propose we close this one - suggests that RDFa can do the job 15:42:02 do we want this approach (RDFa) to be put into the spec? 15:42:13 -jon 15:42:14 not 100% accessibility issue 15:42:18 i/requesting a presentation of said in June/Scribe: JF/ 15:42:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus 15:43:05 Cyns: don't believe this is for a11y to worry about 15:43:07 http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/ 15:43:40 -> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/ Support for RDFa in HTML4 and HTML5 15:44:31 will wait for 2-day call for review of any action items discussed today 15:45:28 will ping Manu about 8747 15:45:36 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 15:45:53 unclear about the hidden attribute 15:46:06 is different from the CSS 'hiding' techniques 15:46:11 is a non-issue 15:46:23 -Cynthia_Shelly 15:46:27 will close 15:46:34 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8144 15:47:05 MichaelC we should likely 'untrack' it 15:47:20 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8554 15:47:24 +Cynthia_Shelly 15:47:36 progress element should be labelable with a label 15:47:50 can be done, we should untrack 15:48:27 http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4530&to=4531 15:48:29 Greg: Ian said he would make meter and progress full form controls and move them into that section 15:48:44 Janina: we should follow that then 15:49:26 they are now albel-able 15:49:39 s/albel / label 15:50:12 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 15:51:03 if we believe that user-agent issues should be in spec, we need an owner ass there is not enough data in the bug 15:51:27 MichaelC: believe that this should be in spec, but this could go either way 15:51:32 q? 15:51:48 MikeSmith affirmed that change made to http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/ that and are now labelable with