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08:57:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
08:57:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
08:57:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
08:57:01 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2010
08:57:22 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0020.html
08:57:30 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
08:57:35 <raphael> Regrets: Michael
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09:01:06 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:01:13 <Zakim> +raphael
09:02:06 <Zakim> + +0329331aaaa
09:03:10 <davy> Zakim, aaaa is Erik
09:03:10 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
09:03:21 <davy> Zakim, Davy is with Erik
09:03:21 <Zakim> +Davy; got it
09:06:15 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aabb
09:07:12 <Zakim> -Silvia
09:08:15 <Zakim> + +06128012aacc
09:09:55 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:09:55 <Zakim> sorry, silvia, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
09:09:57 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
09:10:05 <silvia> zakim, aacc is me
09:10:05 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
09:10:35 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:10:35 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:10:47 <raphael> Scribe: Davy
09:10:49 <davy> scribenick: davy
09:11:13 <davy> Raphael: no full attendance at teleconf :-(
09:11:53 <raphael> Previous telecon: http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:11:58 <davy> ... if people do not like the decisions we take at the teleconfs, they should discuss this on the mailing list 
09:11:58 <raphael> ... http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:12:02 <raphael> ... http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:12:08 <silvia> +1
09:12:09 <davy> +1
09:12:12 <erik> +1
09:12:13 <raphael> +1 for accepting these minutes
09:12:20 <davy> RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
09:12:32 <raphael> ACTION-92 ?
09:12:32 <trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Erik Mannens to erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers -- due 2010-04-28 -- OPEN
09:12:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92
09:13:15 <davy> raphael: some parts of the paper might be a good starting point for uncomplete sections in the spec
09:13:22 <davy> close action-92
09:13:23 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers closed
09:13:55 <davy> raphael: next F2F meeting decision -> postpone it to next week
09:14:22 <davy> erik: even if we are just with 4 or 5 people and other people on the phone, we should have a meeting
09:15:06 <davy> RESOLUTION: next F2F meeting will be organized at 15-16 June in Eurecom
09:15:39 <davy> Action: troncy to provide practical information for the next F2F
09:15:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-162 - Provide practical information for the next F2F [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-05-19].
09:15:47 <raphael> Topic: 2. Use Cases and Requirements
09:15:53 <raphael> ACTION-156?
09:15:53 <trackbot> ACTION-156 -- Conrad Parker to add a "bandwidth conservation use case" -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
09:15:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156
09:15:57 <raphael> Conrad, could you update us on this ?
09:16:13 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:16:13 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:16:33 <silvia> conrad, are you still there?
09:17:29 <davy> TOPIC: 3. Specification
09:17:50 <davy> discussing the editorship policy of the specification
09:20:39 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:20:39 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:21:05 <raphael> Raphael: curently 2 groups (editors and contributors) while these roles are not really defined by W3C, not consistently used depending on the spec
09:21:24 <raphael> ... Suggest that Silvia and Davy jump to the editors group, they have edited most of the spec
09:22:16 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:22:16 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:22:31 <raphael> ... Suggest to talk with other contributors on the phone regarding their role in the spec (for example, Yves contributed a lot of text some months ago)
09:22:52 <raphael> ... I will apply the changes on the spec
09:24:14 <raphael> ACTION-161?
09:24:14 <trackbot> ACTION-161 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to integrate the test cases into the spec -- due 2010-04-21 -- OPEN
09:24:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/161
09:24:39 <davy> Silvia: waiting for a few issues that are still issues
09:25:06 <davy> ... 1. #t=a,a and a >= 0 (#2)
09:25:26 <davy> ... is an empty fragment
09:25:43 <davy> ... if we send it to the server, we get a 416
09:26:33 <davy> ... question is whether the client should send it to the server or not, since it can detect there will be an error
09:28:41 <davy> raphael: empty fragment -> UA cannot display anything
09:29:34 <erik> q+
09:29:50 <raphael> zakim, ack
09:29:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ack', raphael
09:32:41 <raphael> Silvia: we need to have a consistent reaction of media fragment aware browsers
09:32:50 <raphael> ... for legacy browsers, they will react as for HTML
09:33:31 <raphael> Discussion about the empty fragment such as #t=a,a when a>=0
09:34:02 <raphael> Silvia: the UA still sends a range request and should get back an error 416
09:34:15 <raphael> Davy: but the UA knows it is a semantic error, why sending a request at all ?
09:36:28 <raphael> Silvia: the UA could simply do nothing ... irritating, but this is happening with HTML
09:37:16 <raphael> ... the fragment is not interpreted ?
09:37:37 <raphael> ... we could just get the header data of the media file, but stop, not downloading any content !
09:38:51 <raphael> ... for example, a Range Request with an empty fragment and only "include-setup"
09:39:02 <raphael> ... the server sends the header data of the media resource
09:39:24 <raphael> ... with a 206 OK for the header data
09:39:42 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:39:42 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:39:52 <raphael> s/206 OK/206 Partial Content
09:40:21 <davy> raphael: we could apply this solution for the three cases
09:40:51 <raphael> Similar solution for all non-existent or illegal fragments
09:41:16 <raphael> ... see cases detailed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0021.html
09:41:55 <davy> Action: troncy to send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist
09:41:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-05-19].
09:42:26 <davy> close action-161
09:42:26 <trackbot> ACTION-161 Integrate the test cases into the spec closed
09:43:58 <raphael> ACTIOn-154 ?
09:43:58 <trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Yves Lafon to add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
09:43:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154
09:44:13 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:44:13 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:44:15 <raphael> Raphael: we have described this recipe in the paper and we have the figure
09:45:04 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:45:04 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:46:42 <raphael> Raphael: I have a plugin for firefox, works with ninsuna with videos already ingested
09:46:51 <raphael> ... will send the version to Davy and Silvia for testing now
09:46:57 <raphael> ... + a readme :-)
09:47:15 <raphael> Davy: work on making Ninsuna acting as a proxy
09:47:36 <raphael> Raphael: add a parameter in the proxy to specify a proxy ... so get media fragments URI on any MP4 videos on the web
09:47:58 <raphael> RESOLUTION: re-allocate ACTION-154 to Davy
09:48:12 <raphael> ACTION-123?
09:48:12 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
09:48:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
09:48:12 <davy> Action-123?
09:48:12 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
09:48:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
09:48:39 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:48:39 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:49:10 <raphael> RESOLUTION: re-allocate ACTION-123 to Silvia
09:51:38 <raphael> Silvia: I think we should go to LC even if all the features are not resolved
09:51:43 <raphael> ... in order to get more feedback
09:52:26 <raphael> Raphael: agree, f2f meeting mid-June and then LC request end of June
09:52:36 <raphael> Topic: 4. AOB?
09:53:56 <Zakim> -raphael
09:53:58 <Zakim> -silvia
09:53:59 <davy> [adjourned]
09:53:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:54:01 <Zakim> -Erik
09:54:02 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:54:03 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, +0329331aaaa, Erik, Davy, +61.2.801.2.aabb, Silvia, +06128012aacc
09:54:41 <davy> present: raphael, silvia, erik, davy
09:55:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
09:55:14 <raphael> Present: Erik, Davy, Raphael, Silvia
09:55:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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09:56:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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