IRC log of ssn on 2010-05-11

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Zakim, this will be 7769

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ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

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Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference

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Date: 11 May 2010

12:49:06 [Holger]

agenda+ Roll call

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agenda+ Personal announcement

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agenda+ Actions from last meeting

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agenda+ Operational/survival range and restrictions

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agenda+ Deployments, Systems and Devices

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agenda+ AOB

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Chair: Holger

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+ +61.2.624.8.aaaa

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zakim, +61.2.624.8.aaaa is me

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+Holger; got it

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+ +1.206.662.aabb

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zakim, +1.206.662.aabb is me

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+david; got it

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+??P7

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zakim, ??P7 is me

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+michael; got it

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+??P9

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zakim, ??p9 is me

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+Payam; got it

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+[MIT528]

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zakim, mute [MIT528]

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[MIT528] should now be muted

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zakim,+[MIT528] is me

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sorry, dongmei, I do not recognize a party named '+[MIT528]'

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zakim, [MIT528] is me

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+dongmei; got it

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+ +1.716.688.aacc

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+??P1

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zakim, ??P1 is me

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+laurent_lefort_cs; got it

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+ +61.4.097.8.aadd

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agenda?

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+krzysztof_j; got it

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ScribeNick: Payam

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Holger is leaving CSIRO and also the group (sorry to hear that Holger you are leaving the group and best wishes with your new postion)

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Laurent will take over as the new chair

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+ +1.937.775.aaee

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+??P14

13:13:09 [Payam]

Holger and Simon have sent the slides to Payam (action point from last week)

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png

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zakim, ??P14 is me

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+Arthur; got it

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+q

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+q

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ack kerry

13:14:49 [Payam]

Kerry has updated the wiki regarding not submitting the member submission; please have a look (all)

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png

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+ +1.937.775.aaff

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13:16:33 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Payam introduces all the classes from the figure

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Payam explained the operation/survival model

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I can't hear

13:17:31 [kerry]

i can't hear amit either

13:17:31 [krzysztof_j]

same for me

13:17:56 [michael]

+q

13:18:09 [Holger]

ack michael

13:20:10 [kerry]

+q

13:20:28 [Holger]

ack kerry

13:20:30 [Payam]

Michael suggests chaging survival temperature range to survial environmental range

13:20:46 [krzysztof_j]

ack!

13:20:57 [michael]

+q

13:21:07 [krzysztof_j]

agree with kerry

13:21:31 [Holger]

ack michael

13:21:33 [Payam]

Kerry suggests the proposed attributes could be a part of device model

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Kerry: how this model and the properties should be related to the current ontology?

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Michael: some attributes such as maintanence schedule, processing/memory capacities are related to system level

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+q

13:24:59 [Payam]

do we need to split them up to cdevice related and system related attributes

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ack michael

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Kerry: Survival ranges, they could be system properties not device?

13:26:29 [Payam]

+q

13:26:50 [Holger]

ack Payam

13:27:59 [laurent_lefort_cs]

+q

13:28:18 [krzysztof_j]

(if we put them to the system and not the device, do we all agree on what a system is? we had long disucssions about that at the ISWC 09 meeting)

13:28:24 [laurent_lefort_cs]

Laurent: looking at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts

13:28:32 [Payam]

Payam: some of the attributes in particualr, transmission range, battery life, operating range are part of devide model and the rest could be represented at the system level

13:28:45 [Holger]

ack laurent_lefort_cs

13:28:50 [laurent_lefort_cs]

... we have a PowerSupply block where we could attach some

13:29:05 [Payam]

Kerry: the arrow, are those properties?

13:29:24 [michael]

too many property names was what was decided for the accuracy modelling, so we just used one.

13:29:56 [Payam]

+q

13:30:11 [Holger]

ack Payam

13:30:53 [krzysztof_j]

+q

13:31:17 [Payam]

Kerry: whether each of the arrows refer to a property name; then we have too many property names

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+q

13:32:46 [cory]

+q

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ack krzysztof_j

13:33:01 [Payam]

Krzysztof; adding properties in the system level not device level

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Krzysztof: what is the reasonof adding all the properties in the device level?

13:35:17 [Payam]

Michael: we want to capture a wider range of concepts/things- then in this case sensor is not just a device

13:35:53 [krzysztof_j]

of the sensor if it is a physical device

13:36:57 [Holger]

ack Payam

13:37:39 [Payam]

Payam: all the properties could be labelled as hasConstraints

13:38:30 [krzysztof_j]

(are they all datattype properties?)

13:38:37 [Holger]

ack cory

13:39:29 [michael]

nice point

13:39:35 [Payam]

Cory: some of the represented concepts have inter-dependence

13:39:43 [michael]

+q

13:39:51 [Payam]

transmission range and battery life for example

13:40:03 [Holger]

ack michael

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Michael: battery life time can be calculated using other parameters; but we could have a static attribute as battery capacity

13:42:10 [Payam]

+q

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ack Payam

13:43:59 [Payam]

Action: Payam, to update the operation/survival model

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Payam,

13:44:18 [Payam]

Action: Payam to update the operation/survival model

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Created ACTION-24 - Update the operation/survival model [on Payam Barnaghi - due 2010-05-18].

13:44:31 [Holger]

agenda?

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices

13:45:03 [Payam]

summery of required updates on the model: tranmission, power, battery life will be a part of device level model

13:45:24 [Payam]

other properties will be a part of the system model; properties will be called as hasConstraint#

13:46:02 [Payam]

temperature survival range will be changed to environemtal surviaval range; and power survival range will be dropped

13:46:45 [Payam]

Michael discusses modelling of concepts related to deployments and system/device/deployment information.

13:50:01 [Payam]

how to link the current ontology defintions and to platforms

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and relating that to MMI ontology

13:50:20 [kerry]

+q

13:50:32 [Holger]

ack kerry

13:51:11 [Payam]

Kerry: to keep our focus on sensor and device; relating our concepts to platforms but not modelling platforms

13:51:37 [Payam]

Kerry: we can import MMI ontology if we want to have a platform description in the ontology

13:51:54 [Payam]

+q

13:52:01 [Holger]

ack Payam

13:52:22 [michael]

+q

13:52:32 [Holger]

ack michael

13:52:43 [AmitSheth]

+q

13:53:11 [Holger]

ack AmitSheth

13:53:21 [Payam]

Michael: we need to explain this in the document; this would be a part of the final report, but not the ontology

13:54:11 [Payam]

Amit: agrees to keep the work focused, but providing explanation how the ontology can be extended; i.e. by linking it to MMI ontology to explain the platforms

13:55:13 [Payam]

Michael we need to pick up this subject again when Luis is in the telco

13:58:15 [Payam]

Michael, wether to be aligned with MMI ontology- from deployment to platform - or from system to ... to platform

13:59:35 [michael]

+q

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ack michael

14:00:26 [Payam]

Michael: other aspects such as manufacture, model, etc. we can use MMI ontology for defining this concepts

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Action: Holger/Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Holger/Michael

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+q

14:01:46 [Payam]

Action: Holger, Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Holger,

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ack kerry

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Action: Holger ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues

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Created ACTION-25 - ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [on Holger Neuhaus - due 2010-05-18].

14:02:40 [Payam]

Kerry: 2nd international semantic sensor web conference cfp

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Kerry: has submitted a proposal to

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- +1.716.688.aacc

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3rd internationl semantic sensor network conference

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sorry workshop ISWC

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s/2nd international/1st international/

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-krzysztof_j

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-michael

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-Arthur

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- +1.937.775.aaee

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Holger, david, michael, Payam, dongmei, +1.716.688.aacc, laurent_lefort_cs, +61.4.097.8.aadd, krzysztof_j, +1.937.775.aaee, Arthur,

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... +1.937.775.aaff

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-minutes.html Holger

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Payam, to update the operation/survival model [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T13-43-59

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ACTION: Payam to update the operation/survival model [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T13-44-18

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ACTION: Holger/Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-28

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ACTION: Holger, Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-46-1

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ACTION: Holger ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-59