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12:49:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
12:49:01 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2010
12:49:06 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
12:49:10 <Holger> agenda+ Personal announcement
12:49:17 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
12:49:23 <Holger> agenda+ Operational/survival range and restrictions
12:49:53 <Holger> agenda+ Deployments, Systems and Devices
12:49:59 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
12:50:06 <Holger> Chair: Holger
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13:06:10 <Holger> agenda?
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13:08:57 <Holger> ScribeNick: Payam
13:11:41 <Payam> Holger is leaving CSIRO and also the group (sorry to hear that Holger you are leaving the group and best wishes with your new postion)
13:12:05 <Payam> Laurent will take over as the new chair
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13:13:09 <Payam> Holger and Simon have sent the slides to Payam (action point from last week)
13:13:19 <Payam> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png
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13:13:59 <kerry> +q
13:14:03 <kerry> +q
13:14:19 <Holger> ack kerry
13:14:49 <Payam> Kerry has updated the wiki regarding not submitting the member submission; please have a look (all)
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13:14:57 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:OperatingModel.png
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13:16:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> Payam introduces all the classes from the figure
13:17:04 <Payam> Payam explained the operation/survival model
13:17:14 <Payam> I can't hear 
13:17:31 <kerry> i can't hear amit either
13:17:31 <krzysztof_j> same for me
13:17:56 <michael> +q
13:18:09 <Holger> ack michael
13:20:10 <kerry> +q
13:20:28 <Holger> ack kerry
13:20:30 <Payam> Michael suggests chaging survival temperature range to survial environmental range
13:20:46 <krzysztof_j> ack!
13:20:57 <michael> +q
13:21:07 <krzysztof_j> agree with kerry
13:21:31 <Holger> ack michael
13:21:33 <Payam> Kerry suggests the proposed attributes could be a part of device model
13:22:20 <Payam> Kerry: how this model and  the properties should be related to the current ontology?
13:23:08 <Payam> Michael: some attributes such as maintanence schedule, processing/memory capacities are related to system level
13:24:17 <michael> +q
13:24:59 <Payam> do we need to split them up to cdevice related and system related attributes
13:25:41 <Holger> ack michael
13:25:42 <Payam> Kerry: Survival ranges, they could be system properties not device? 
13:26:29 <Payam> +q
13:26:50 <Holger> ack Payam
13:27:59 <laurent_lefort_cs> +q
13:28:18 <krzysztof_j> (if we put them to the system and not the device, do we all agree on what a system is? we had long disucssions about that at the ISWC 09 meeting)
13:28:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: looking at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Key_Sensor_Concepts 
13:28:32 <Payam> Payam: some of the attributes in particualr, transmission range, battery life, operating range are part of devide model and the rest could be represented at the system level
13:28:45 <Holger> ack laurent_lefort_cs
13:28:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... we have a PowerSupply block where we could attach some 
13:29:05 <Payam> Kerry: the arrow, are those properties?
13:29:24 <michael> too many property names was what was decided for the accuracy modelling, so we just used one. 
13:29:56 <Payam> +q
13:30:11 <Holger> ack Payam
13:30:53 <krzysztof_j> +q
13:31:17 <Payam> Kerry: whether each of the arrows refer to a property name; then we have too many property names
13:31:22 <Payam> +q
13:32:46 <cory> +q
13:32:53 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
13:33:01 <Payam> Krzysztof; adding properties in the system level not device level
13:33:48 <Payam> Krzysztof: what is the reasonof adding all the properties in the device level?
13:35:17 <Payam> Michael: we want to capture a wider range of concepts/things- then in this case sensor is not just a device
13:35:53 <krzysztof_j> of the sensor if it is a physical device
13:36:57 <Holger> ack Payam
13:37:39 <Payam> Payam: all the properties could be labelled as hasConstraints
13:38:30 <krzysztof_j> (are they all datattype properties?)
13:38:37 <Holger> ack cory
13:39:29 <michael> nice point
13:39:35 <Payam> Cory: some of the represented concepts have inter-dependence
13:39:43 <michael> +q
13:39:51 <Payam> transmission range and battery life for example
13:40:03 <Holger> ack michael
13:41:43 <Payam> Michael: battery life time can be calculated using other parameters; but we could have a static attribute as battery capacity
13:42:10 <Payam> +q
13:42:28 <Holger> ack Payam
13:43:59 <Payam> Action: Payam, to update the operation/survival model
13:43:59 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Payam,
13:44:18 <Payam> Action: Payam to update the operation/survival model
13:44:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Update the operation/survival model [on Payam Barnaghi - due 2010-05-18].
13:44:31 <Holger> agenda?
13:44:57 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
13:45:03 <Payam> summery of required updates on the model: tranmission, power, battery life will be a part of device level model
13:45:24 <Payam> other properties will be a part of the system model; properties will be called as hasConstraint#
13:46:02 <Payam> temperature survival range will be changed to environemtal surviaval range; and power survival range will be dropped
13:46:45 <Payam> Michael discusses modelling of concepts related to deployments and system/device/deployment information. 
13:50:01 <Payam> how to link the current ontology defintions and to platforms
13:50:12 <Payam> and relating that to MMI ontology
13:50:20 <kerry> +q
13:50:32 <Holger> ack kerry
13:51:11 <Payam> Kerry: to keep our focus on sensor and device; relating our concepts to platforms but not modelling platforms
13:51:37 <Payam> Kerry: we can import MMI ontology if we want to have a platform description in the ontology
13:51:54 <Payam> +q
13:52:01 <Holger> ack Payam
13:52:22 <michael> +q
13:52:32 <Holger> ack michael
13:52:43 <AmitSheth> +q
13:53:11 <Holger> ack AmitSheth
13:53:21 <Payam> Michael: we need to explain this in the document; this would be a part of the final report, but not the ontology
13:54:11 <Payam> Amit: agrees to keep the work focused, but providing explanation how the ontology can be extended; i.e. by linking it to MMI ontology to explain the platforms
13:55:13 <Payam> Michael we need to pick up this subject again when Luis is in the telco
13:58:15 <Payam> Michael, wether to be aligned with MMI ontology- from deployment to platform - or from system to ... to platform
13:59:35 <michael> +q
13:59:46 <Holger> ack michael
14:00:26 <Payam> Michael: other aspects such as manufacture, model, etc. we can use MMI ontology for defining this concepts
14:01:28 <Payam> Action: Holger/Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues
14:01:28 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Holger/Michael
14:01:46 <kerry> +q
14:01:46 <Payam> Action: Holger, Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues
14:01:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Holger,
14:01:54 <Holger> ack kerry
14:01:59 <Payam> Action: Holger ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues
14:01:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [on Holger Neuhaus - due 2010-05-18].
14:02:40 <Payam> Kerry: 2nd international semantic sensor web conference cfp
14:03:04 <Payam> Kerry: has submitted a proposal to
14:03:15 <Zakim> - +1.716.688.aacc
14:03:19 <Payam> 3rd internationl semantic sensor network conference
14:03:30 <Payam> sorry workshop ISWC
14:03:41 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/2nd international/1st international/
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14:04:48 <Holger> zakim, bye 
14:04:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, david, michael, Payam, dongmei, +1.716.688.aacc, laurent_lefort_cs, +61.4.097.8.aadd, krzysztof_j, +1.937.775.aaee, Arthur,
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14:04:57 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
14:05:05 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
14:05:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-minutes.html Holger
14:05:14 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Payam, to update the operation/survival model [1]
14:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T13-43-59
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Payam to update the operation/survival model [2]
14:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T13-44-18
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Holger/Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [3]
14:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-28
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Holger, Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [4]
14:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-46-1
14:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Holger ,Michael to send an email to Luis to discuss the issues [5]
14:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-ssn-irc#T14-01-59