IRC log of pling on 2010-05-11

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11:34:40 [tlr]
rrsagent, make record public
11:37:45 [tlr]
zakim, code?
11:37:45 [Zakim]
the conference code is 75464 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
11:53:28 [Zakim]
P3P_PLING()8:00AM has now started
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+ +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa
11:59:41 [Ashok]
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What is the conference code?
12:02:15 [renato]
75464
12:02:48 [Zakim]
+ +035850487aabb
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+Ashok_Malhotra
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+??P6
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+??P10
12:10:11 [renato]
MAWG feedback
12:10:13 [renato]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0010.html
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RI comments
12:11:18 [renato]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0011.html
12:12:32 [renato]
Other ideas?
12:13:37 [tlr]
zakim, call thomas-skype
12:13:37 [Zakim]
ok, tlr; the call is being made
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+Thomas
12:13:48 [Zakim]
- +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa
12:13:54 [tlr]
zakim, I am thomas
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ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
12:14:23 [renato]
Policy types?
12:15:56 [renato]
DavidC: Sticky policies from PrimeLife - list of policy types
12:16:09 [renato]
Hannes: keep it simple
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DC: policy language specified?
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q+
12:18:11 [renato]
Hannes: see CC as example, loose binding to content
12:19:09 [tlr]
ack thomas
12:21:39 [tlr]
tlr: recommend simplifying
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... identifier (URI)
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... type (URI)
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... that's all
12:22:04 [tlr]
... propose dropping value, organization
12:22:44 [tlr]
zakim, call thomas-781
12:22:44 [Zakim]
ok, tlr; the call is being made
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+Thomas
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-Thomas
12:24:23 [renato]
Thomas: Identifier - maybe deref or just the "identifier"
12:24:49 [renato]
DavidC: need to get the policy?
12:25:33 [tlr]
http://www.w3.org/Submission/ccREL/
12:29:56 [tlr]
the point is: identifier is an *identifier*
12:32:43 [tlr]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0010.html
12:32:51 [renato]
"This attribute holds the description of the license"
12:34:07 [tlr]
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/#
12:34:07 [renato]
policy.type: see RDFa
12:34:21 [tlr]
license
12:34:22 [tlr]
license refers to a resource that defines the associated license.
12:36:28 [renato]
http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/#property-definition
12:39:08 [renato]
ma:copyright = The copyright statement. Identification of the copyrights holder (Digital Right Management is out of scope for MAWG, see the [PLING] for more information on this topic
12:39:21 [renato]
ma:policy = Description of the policy of the media resource or reference. see the [PLING] for more information on this topic
12:40:05 [tlr]
I'm actually becoming convinced of having a policy field with a human-readable attribute, and http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml#license as the canonical type for a copyright license.
12:40:57 [renato]
So if you look at:
12:40:58 [renato]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010Apr/0011.html
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and remove "issuer"
12:41:11 [renato]
are were there?
12:41:38 [tlr]
wfm
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ma:createDate
12:42:37 [tlr]
also, make type URI-valued
12:43:02 [renato]
yes
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use the xhtml license URI
12:45:53 [spreibus]
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action: RI to writeup updated proposal for MAWG and sent to list
12:46:31 [spreibus]
apologies for the late arrival -- I only got the message about the time shift to 12h UTC now.
12:47:03 [renato]
OK - thanks for joining!
12:47:48 [renato]
Agenda: US Privacy Bill
12:47:50 [renato]
http://www.boucher.house.gov/images/stories/Privacy_Draft_5-10.pdf
12:48:21 [spreibus]
Thanks.
12:49:15 [tlr]
q+
12:49:46 [tlr]
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2010/FR_PrivacyNOI_04232010.pdf
12:53:45 [renato]
Update on Current Items
12:54:07 [renato]
PLING note....still going....contributions welcome
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Geolocation Privacy
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Workshop planned
12:54:42 [spreibus]
re PLING note on Best Practices:
12:54:47 [tlr]
http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/
12:56:34 [spreibus]
how much of the "User Consent" is happening in the user agent and how much through the site? I would argue the browser is the better place, mainly because (a) it allows consistent presentation, similar to the current information bar in browsers, e.g. Firefox for GeoLocation; (b) because it allows recording of consent, similar to stored passwords
12:58:08 [tlr]
spreibus, a possible answer is that access control isn't privacy
12:58:17 [tlr]
we know how to do access control in the browser.
12:58:55 [spreibus]
true, access control is not privacy.
12:59:10 [spreibus]
I see the best practices as reaching beyond access.
12:59:26 [spreibus]
eventually emphasising "informed consent"
12:59:55 [Zakim]
-??P10
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-Ashok_Malhotra
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-??P6
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- +035850487aabb
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-Thomas
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Attendees were +352.6.2.1.5.0.aaaa, +035850487aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Thomas
13:00:59 [renato]
Thomas, can u make the minutes and make public?
13:02:26 [tlr]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-pling-minutes.html tlr
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rrsagent, make record public
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