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15:58:39 Zakim, this will be HTML
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15:58:40 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:58:40 Date: 06 May 2010
15:58:54 Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:58:54 ok, rubys2; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:59:27 adrianba has joined #html-wg
15:59:50 HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
15:59:55 +Sam
15:59:57 + +1.925.186.aaaa
16:00:00 - +1.925.186.aaaa
16:00:01 + +1.925.186.aaaa
16:00:11 + +1.206.850.aabb
16:00:25 +Plh
16:00:35 Zakim, +1.206.850.aabb has me
16:00:35 +Eliot; got it
16:01:10 - +1.925.186.aaaa
16:01:11 +[Microsoft]
16:01:22 zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba
16:01:22 +adrianba; got it
16:01:57 + +1.925.186.aacc
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16:02:24 +Michael_Cooper
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16:03:12 +Radhika_Roy
16:03:29 + +1.925.186.aadd
16:03:50 Zakim, +1.925.186.aadd is me
16:03:50 +Julian; got it
16:04:24 +mjs
16:04:53 zakim, pick a scribe?
16:04:53 I don't understand your question, rubys.
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16:04:59 zakim, pick a scribe
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16:05:26 zakim, this will be html_wg
16:05:26 ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:05:31 zakim, pick a scribe
16:05:31 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Radhika_Roy
16:05:38 regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
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16:06:05 zakim, pick a scribe
16:06:05 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +1.206.850.aabb
16:06:07 +[IPcaller]
16:06:09 +[Microsoft.a]
16:06:30 scribenick: adrianba
16:06:30 +Janina_Sajka
16:06:34 scribe: adrianba
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16:06:40 chair: rubys
16:06:43 topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thu May 6
16:06:49 TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thu May 6
16:06:50 action-178?
16:06:50 ACTION-178 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
16:06:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/178
16:06:51 Title: ACTION-178 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:02 plh: will do this tomorrow
16:07:07 Zakim, call Mike
16:07:07 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:07:09 +Mike
16:07:10 ...at hypertext cg
16:07:20 action-179?
16:07:20 ACTION-179 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to set automatic copy of HG to www.w3.org -- due 2010-04-27 -- OPEN
16:07:20 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/179
16:07:21 Title: ACTION-179 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:23 +Matt
16:07:28 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:07:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:07:34 plh: this one is part of testing TF - should be end of may
16:07:42 + +1.218.340.aaaa
16:07:44 ...reported this to TF on Tues
16:07:47 ...in progress
16:07:51 action-179 due may 27
16:07:51 ACTION-179 Set automatic copy of HG to www.w3.org due date now may 27
16:08:02 TOPIC: Issues with deadlines due by May 6
16:08:10 issue-27?
16:08:10 ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
16:08:10 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
16:08:11 Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:16 Zakim, .aaaa is Laura
16:08:16 sorry, Laura, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
16:08:25 rubys: seem to still be waiting on iesg
16:08:28 ...any updates?
16:08:31 q+
16:08:31 Zakim, aaaa is Laura
16:08:32 +Laura; got it
16:08:41 ack julian
16:08:50 julian: i think iesq will happen shortly
16:09:04 ...issues have been resolved - need ok of area director
16:09:13 ...then be added to rfc editor queue
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16:09:27 q+ to ask about CFC for FPWD publication of http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ (as part of next round of heartbeat publications?)
16:09:28 Title: HTML5: Techniques for the provision of text alternatives (at dev.w3.org)
16:09:28 ...that being said, if ppl want to volunteer to test then now would be a good time
16:09:40 ...delaying any further doesn't help - it's a matter of days away
16:09:54 rubys: do they have something they can test now?
16:10:11 julian: no but it will be soon so we should encourage people to think about what they want to do now
16:10:30 rubys: we do have volunteers, not sure what their plans are
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16:10:44 ...once there is something to test, if nothing happens we can do something then
16:10:56 issue-82?
16:10:56 ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- CLOSED
16:10:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
16:10:57 Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:05 issue-81?
16:11:05 ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- OPEN
16:11:05 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
16:11:06 Title: ISSUE-81 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:10 + +1.408.398.aabb
16:11:23 rubys: current status is if people find issues they should open bugs
16:11:33 ...no reason to keep this open?
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16:11:53 zakim, mute dsinger
16:11:53 sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dsinger
16:12:07 zakim, who is here?
16:12:07 On the phone I see Sam, +1.206.850.aabb, Plh, [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper, Radhika_Roy, Julian, mjs, [IPcaller], [Microsoft.a], Janina_Sajka, Mike, Matt, Laura, +1.408.398.aabb
16:12:10 On IRC I see dsinger_, mattmay, frankolivier, mhakkinen, janina, cyns, Zakim, Laura, MichaelC, Mark, adrianba, RRSAgent, Eliot, rubys, plh, Lachy, MikeSmith, kliehm, miketaylr,
16:12:12 close issue-81
16:12:13 ISSUE-81 Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" closed
16:12:15 ... aroben, ed_work, myakura, gavin, tlr, tH, Julian, arronei, shepazu, krijnh, scotfl, webben, drry, inimino, jgraham, karl, Dashiva, mamund, jmb, gsnedders, Hixie, syp_,
16:12:16 rubys: no objections, closing the issue
16:12:17 ... Shunsuke, johndrinkwater, Philip, hober, gavin_, phenny, thugbot, Yudai, pimpbot, CIA-1, hsivonen, trackbot
16:12:42 issue-81: people who note remaining discrepancies are encouraged to open bugs
16:12:42 ISSUE-81 Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" notes added
16:12:48 -mjs
16:12:53 issue-90
16:12:56 issue-90?
16:12:56 ISSUE-90 -- Tighten the focus and allowable content in the figure element -- OPEN
16:12:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/90
16:12:58 Title: ISSUE-90 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:59 issue-91?
16:12:59 ISSUE-91 -- Re-focus and tighten definition of the aside element -- OPEN
16:12:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/91
16:12:59 Zakim, aabb is dsinger
16:12:59 +dsinger; got it
16:13:00 Title: ISSUE-91 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:02 issue-93?
16:13:02 ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- OPEN
16:13:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
16:13:04 Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:06 zakim, mute dsinger
16:13:06 dsinger should now be muted
16:13:06 issue-95?
16:13:07 ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- OPEN
16:13:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:13:10 issue-96?
16:13:10 Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:13 ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- OPEN
16:13:14 issue-97?
16:13:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:13:16 Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:19 ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- OPEN
16:13:21 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:13:22 Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:28 + +1.415.595.aacc
16:13:29 rubys: on issues 90,91,93,95,96,97 - for each of these issues there is a counterproposal
16:13:39 ...this is being discussed but no convergence yet
16:13:48 ...likely to go to a survey
16:13:52 ...any comments?
16:13:55 issue-106?
16:13:55 ISSUE-106 -- Return the concept of Obsolete but conforming back to using obsolete and deprecated -- RAISED
16:13:55 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/106
16:13:56 Title: ISSUE-106 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:09 rubys: we have not got any volunteers for issue 106
16:14:19 ...if no one wants this now we will close without prejudice
16:14:30 close issue-106
16:14:30 ISSUE-106 Return the concept of Obsolete but conforming back to using obsolete and deprecated closed
16:14:35 ...okay, closing
16:14:48 issue-106: closed without prejudice, as nobody has volunteered to write a change proposal
16:14:48 ISSUE-106 Return the concept of Obsolete but conforming back to using obsolete and deprecated notes added
16:14:55 - +1.415.595.aacc
16:15:05 TOPIC: WG Decision Policy update (Maciej)
16:15:16 rubys: mjs dropped off the call
16:15:26 + +1.415.595.aadd
16:15:31 ...he did post resolutions to all bugs except 8895 (FPWD)
16:15:47 ...this will be addressed by the time we get to the next FPWD
16:15:57 ...if you have any interest in these, please look at the individual bugs
16:16:12 mjs: one bug in particular i would like comments on
16:16:28 ...the one that proposes a consistent system for bugzilla resolutions
16:16:42 + +1.650.862.aaee
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16:17:39 bug 9284
16:17:40 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9284 mjs@apple.com, P2, REOPENED, 13Consider giving guidelines for use of different bug resolutions
16:18:13 mjs: there is a specific proposal there, there have been a couple of comments
16:18:26 ...would like to make sure we end up with something reasonable
16:18:39 MikeSmith: there is a comment from Henri there
16:18:59 ...I can add a comment there as someone editing a document
16:19:07 ...would be good to get others editing to add comments there
16:19:15 rubys: anything else?
16:19:25 mjs: that's all
16:19:28 TOPIC: Items that close next week (by Thu May 13)
16:19:39 rubys: none
16:19:41 TOPIC: New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this Week
16:19:57 issue-85?
16:19:57 ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- OPEN
16:19:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:19:59 Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:01 issue-101?
16:20:01 ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- OPEN
16:20:01 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101
16:20:02 Title: ISSUE-101 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:05 issue-105?
16:20:05 ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- OPEN
16:20:05 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:20:06 Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:07 rubys: 3 that are calls for counter proposals - will correct mistake in call after meeting
16:20:27 rubys: any questions?
16:20:49 Mike: I thought we had more time on this?
16:21:17 rubys: we have proposals, there is a call for counter proposals - ppl will have time after they volunteer
16:21:29 cyns: issue 85 was discussing in TF this morning
16:21:45 janina: it will be news that we agreed for june 24
16:21:58 ...we spent a lot of the call discussing trying to bring in earlier
16:22:23 ...but we think this is appropriate for a clean and precise suggestion
16:22:43 dsinger has joined #html-wg
16:22:44 ...there is now an active group - chance they will beat the deadline but everyone comfortable with the deadline
16:22:52 + +1.408.996.aaff
16:23:04 zakim, aaff is [Apple]
16:23:04 +[Apple]; got it
16:23:06 janina: canvas map we are waiting for chaals
16:23:17 ...caret proposal is needing dev feedback from msft and apple
16:23:27 ...actions taken to ping people that need to provide feedback
16:23:30 zakim, [Apple] has dsinger
16:23:30 +dsinger; got it
16:23:38 ...may need to slip into june because of lack of feedback
16:23:45 -dsinger
16:23:50 rubys: obviously lots of work to do on canvas
16:24:09 ...is the map proposal not ready yet?
16:24:20 janina: not sure which this is
16:24:25 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/addimagemaptocanvas
16:24:26 Title: ChangeProposals/addimagemaptocanvas - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:24:40 rubys: issue 105 on the status proposal page
16:24:51 janina: we have an action on chaals to provide more spec ready text
16:25:01 ...we would like to hold on that a couple more weeks
16:25:08 ...he took that action in april
16:25:16 don't want to speak for Chaals or SteveF, but I beleive that Steve *did* write that up on Chaal's behalf
16:25:27 mjs: this isn't a final deadline for proposals - call for counter proposals doesn't cut anyone off
16:25:37 janina: okay, my misunderstanding
16:25:44 rubys: you'd rather 85 not proceed?
16:25:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAonanchor
16:25:58 Title: ChangeProposals/ARIAonanchor - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:26:08 janina: yes, i think we don't want to move forward until misunderstandings resolved
16:26:19 ...we want to be very clear about definitions and what is included
16:26:27 ...in the past there has been misunderstanding
16:26:32 cyns: clear and systematic
16:26:49 ...instead of list of roles that can override, point to a piece of tree of related elements
16:26:58 ...so it is clear why certain overrides are allowed
16:27:08 ...so both to be more clear and more logical and understandable
16:27:15