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14:30:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
14:30:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGWG()10:30AM already started
14:30:21 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
14:30:21 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2010
14:30:26 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0043.html
14:30:42 <jwatt> Zakim, who's on the call
14:30:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the call', jwatt
14:30:52 <ed> agenda+, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0147.html
14:31:17 <Zakim> +??P36
14:31:19 <Zakim> -??P36
14:31:19 <Zakim> +??P36
14:31:29 <jwatt> Zakim, who's here?
14:31:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P35, ??P36
14:31:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, ed, anthony, jwatt, ed_work, trackbot
14:31:35 <ed> Zakim, ??P36 is me
14:31:35 <Zakim> +ed; got it
14:31:43 <jwatt> Zakim: ?? is me
14:31:59 <jwatt> Zakim: ??P25 is me
14:32:09 <jwatt> Zakim, ??P25 is me
14:32:09 <Zakim> I already had ??P25 as Steven, jwatt
14:32:19 <jwatt> Zakim, ??P35 is me
14:32:19 <Zakim> +jwatt; got it
14:33:24 <jwatt> yeah, like the black death
14:34:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:35:29 <anthony> Zakim, [IP is me
14:35:29 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
14:41:37 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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14:42:43 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Brussels%2C_Belgium_F2F
14:43:08 <ed> topic: F2F meeting
14:43:41 <pdengler> pdengler: Address for EBC Brussels
14:43:43 <pdengler> Avenue des Nerviens 85
14:43:43 <pdengler> 1040 Brussels
14:45:00 <ed> http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=110476736854827266937.0004840b3e8cb8909a93c&ll=50.866428,4.394531&spn=0.130659,0.235863&z=12
14:45:20 <pdengler> pdengler: http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/c/7/9c77a3eb-1778-405f-ade8-1d601e260af4/brussels_directions.doc
14:46:52 <pdengler> Hotel for the 24th and June 1st : http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/brudt-brussels-marriott-hotel/
14:49:40 <pdengler> Rue Auguste Orts 3-7/Grand Place 
14:49:40 <pdengler> Brussels, 1000 Belgium
14:50:12 <ed> Ok, wikipage updated to say 24 May - 1 June 2010
14:53:20 <pdengler> Rue Du Parnasse 19, Brussels 1050 BE
14:54:30 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Brussels,_Belgium_F2F#Location
14:58:31 <anthony> Ortsstraat 1 Auguste 1000 Brussel, Belgium
15:02:53 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Brussels,_Belgium_F2F#Location
15:04:27 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0043.html
15:05:34 <ed> Topic: 1.1F2 updates
15:05:50 <ed> ED: have done changes to the testsuite, no spec updates
15:06:03 <ed> ... saw CL did some checkins on funciri syntax
15:06:16 <ed> ... asks for moving the deadline
15:06:25 <ed> PD: that would be good
15:06:27 <ed> ED: agreed
15:07:18 <ed> ... move deadline one week ahead, May 7
15:07:51 <ed> Topic: Removing paragraph about calcmode=paced for animateTransform
15:08:04 <ed> AG: wasn't that brought up by someone else too?
15:08:15 <ed> ... I can do that
15:08:53 <ed> ACTION: AG to remove the paragraph mentioned in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0141.html in SVG 1.1F2
15:08:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2777 - Remove the paragraph mentioned in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0141.html in SVG 1.1F2 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-05-06].
15:09:25 <ed> Topic: fonts-elem-05
15:09:27 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0147.html
15:10:17 <ed> ED: I think we should backport the test from 1.2T, since the 1.1 test is rather pointless (doesn't test what it says it's testing)
15:11:26 <ed> ACTION: ed to backport fonts-elem-05-t.svg from 1.2T to 1.1F2
15:11:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2778 - Backport fonts-elem-05-t.svg from 1.2T to 1.1F2 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-06].
15:12:03 <pdengler> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
15:12:03 <pdengler> <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-SVG-20010904/DTD/svg10.dtd">
15:12:03 <pdengler> <svg xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="12.5in" height="7.625in" viewBox="0 0 900 549" xml:space="preserve" color-interpolation-filters="sRGB" class="st26">
15:12:03 <pdengler> <style type="text/css">
15:12:03 <pdengler>  rect:hover {fill: yellow}
15:12:04 <ed> Topic: discussion about use
15:12:05 <pdengler> </style>
15:12:07 <pdengler>   <g id="blueRect" >
15:12:09 <pdengler>     <rect x="18" y="68" width="261" height="81" class="blueStyle" />
15:12:11 <pdengler>   </g>
15:12:13 <pdengler> <use xlink:href="#blueRect" x="0 " y="100" />
15:12:15 <pdengler>     
15:12:17 <pdengler> </svg>
15:13:21 <ed> PD: in opera all rects turn yellow when hovering the rect
15:13:58 <ed> ...in webkit if you hover the first rect it turns yellow, if you hover the second nothing happens
15:14:24 <ed> ...in firefox if you hover over a rect it turns yellow regardless of it's a use or not
15:15:07 <ed> ... i think firefox does it right, but IE have it implemented like webkit now, doens't feel right
15:16:42 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/ua-tests/
15:17:53 <ed> ED: do you expect all the pseudoclasses work the same way?
15:18:06 <ed> ...or just the :hover one
15:18:16 <ed> PD: all of them as if the elements were cloned
15:19:32 <ed> JW: if I have external resources then probably the style doesn't make sense to apply to those <use>'s
15:19:38 <ed> ...depends on the person's usecase
15:20:46 <ed> PD: what would you expect to happen in such a scenario? (the library one9
15:20:58 <ed> JW: wouldn't want the style to apply to the library
15:22:28 <ed> ... the inline case is probably more common
15:24:58 <ed> ED: would like more tests regarding <use>, does microsoft have more tests to contribute in this area?
15:25:02 <ed> PD: will ask
15:26:26 <ed> ED: would be interested in seeing if there are differences between pseudoclass selectors and normal selectors on shadowtrees 
15:28:13 <ed> topic: public-fx
15:28:58 <ed> ED: since the publicfx telcon moved the timeslot let's cancel the svgwg monday telcon
15:29:09 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:29:10 <Zakim> -ed
15:29:12 <Zakim> -jwatt
15:29:14 <Zakim> -anthony
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15:29:17 <Zakim> Attendees were ed, jwatt, [IPcaller], anthony, [Microsoft]
15:31:50 <ed> Zakim, bye
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15:31:58 <ed> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:31:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-svg-minutes.html ed
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