13:37:07 RRSAgent has joined #decision-xg 13:37:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-decision-xg-irc 13:45:42 jeffw has joined #decision-xg 13:45:51 test 13:49:08 scribe: jeffw 13:53:11 eblomqvi has joined #decision-xg 13:54:14 hi Eva 13:54:19 hi 13:57:35 UdiBauman has joined #decision-xg 13:58:02 hi, Udi 13:58:09 hi.. 14:00:01 Udi, are you able to call in? 14:07:13 udi: experience with decision-support systems, several large systems that basically collect and analyze and recommend 14:07:46 udi: what should be decided and allow them to document and track decisions. The systems apply to various domains, 14:08:16 including market analysis and using various source, inputs from all parts of the compaines, activity models, and various information systems 14:08:59 udi: market, customer inputs, all kinds of optional scenarios and recommended which would maximize profit. 14:09:56 udi: The application allowed users to select value drivers and impact global measure of the company. 14:10:27 udi: Lately an open source project, Ekkli, tries to address how you achieve collective decision-making. 14:11:11 udi: Companies usually discuss options and limited number of participants and usually not that effective and unstructured and meetings take time. 14:11:40 udi: usually not tracked and analyzed. These are painful problems in today's decision-making. The way we've tried to address is to use web-based software 14:12:27 udi: to accumulate knowledge from decision tools and other sources, then using analytical and linguistic algorithms to get to better decisions with less time. 14:13:12 udi: To do that, there are several principles to guide system, you can always have a top view of the full discussion in one screen, and we classify discussions to types 14:13:40 udi: and before you start the discussion, you select the type, which is required for our mechanism. When you enter messages into discussion, 14:14:24 udi: we classify messages to types of speech acts, so you select which speech act for that discussion type and the sentiment in two dimensions (good/bad) 14:15:29 udi: the system tries to suggest automatic which messages group, which more relevant, and underlying properties, relations between messages, and 14:15:48 udi: tries to improve the discussion. We want to optimize the time of the participants. Also come up with recommended decisions. 14:16:29 udi: We currently have an initial prototype. There are about 10 developers, and we also have a lineup of organizations (govt) that want to start using the system. 14:17:12 udi: it is completely open source and i started going over the wiki, and the topic of situation awareness we have a discussion template for that. 14:18:05 http://ekkli.org 14:18:10 udi: We're happy to learn from your work and we can learn from each other. 14:18:23 http://xrl.us/ekkli 14:18:55 udi: it has an instance for quality assurance, still a prototype, but you can look here. Currently, we only have one template, scope of action, and another coming. 14:19:38 How does it work physically, are people together for a meeting? 14:20:21 udi: each participant can enter, you can do it online, decide on template of discussion, then just add messages and eventually points out conclusions of discussions. 14:21:34 We might see how the decision format could be instrumented in the tool? 14:22:25 udi: yes, and we have a participant focused on knowledge and perception, and we're always interested in this topic 14:23:00 Are you affiliated with an organization or on your own? 14:23:31 udi: The tool is open source, but also an affiliation with a consulting company on open source technology 14:29:38 eva: I was thinking about these systems, do you have a kind of a model of a decision and a process, perhaps not formalized, but idea of a decision process 14:29:53 eva: has these parts and so on, do you have something like this that you have agreed on? 14:30:49 udi: our approach is similar to use case, we try to handle specific template types of discussion, we have a theory defined well and the process to derive the decision 14:31:31 udi: I'm not sure if the process, logic flow, of the arguments and how you arrive the decision, it is not like an abstraction of a decision in that sense 14:32:12 udi: it is more automatic but can be tested and something we could adopt from you some model of the process 14:32:43 eva: I imagined something like this, you think of the decision process like discussion and argumentation and the end result is some decision 14:33:47 don: if we come up with a format, it should be a messaging format and put it in there and maybe even develop a plug-in for conversations they already have 14:34:14 don: to see how well they fit into format and what mining and processing they can do on this 14:49:47 (Jeff summarized work on Information Flow use case with extreme design and neon toolkit) 14:50:15 Eva: it's a work in progress and there are issues with the patterns, but we can make updates in the patterns and happy that things are in use 14:50:31 eva: it takes time for people to use and now we are discovering these issues 14:51:32 eva: you wrote about contacint RPI about govt data 14:57:50 eva: would you like me to contact them? 14:57:57 That would be great.. 14:58:37 We will continue the extreme design approach with selected use cases and for next time, I will see if I can have something concrete to show for 14:59:28 the information flow and for a decision core component (basic who decided what, when and where, no criteria, no options, just that something was decided) 14:59:35 We can build from those modules 15:00:33 Thanks to Udi for his presentation and we will continue collaboration with him through wiki and e-mail. We will explore learning from him their concept 15:01:16 model for decisions, discussions and consider the potential opportunity to have our decision format utilized by the open-source tool, Ekkli 15:02:27 rrsagent, set log public 15:02:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-decision-xg-minutes.html jeffw 16:00:45 Zakim has left #decision-xg