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07:09:57 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
07:09:57 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 9 minutes ago
07:10:38 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG Vienna F2F day 3
07:10:53 <wbailer> chair: daniel, joakim
07:11:23 <wbailer> present: daniel, wonsuk, tobias, florian, john, joakim, martin, werner
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07:13:59 <daniel> get started the last day...editing times for both documents.
07:14:21 <daniel> no scriber this morning session
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07:16:22 <chris> zakim, who is here?
07:16:22 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has not yet started, chris
07:16:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see chris, florian, Zakim, RRSAgent, wbailer, daniel, trackbot
07:19:56 <daniel> chris: IRC will be mute, do you need to join the call bridge ?
07:19:58 <daniel> chris: IRC will be mute, do you need to join the call bridge ?
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07:20:24 <chris> hi daniel, I will only call in if absolutely necessary
07:20:30 <wbailer> chris, what is the status of your action items for the document?
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07:23:01 <chris> wait, Im checking my APs
07:24:57 <chris> actionitem 237 is done ( added lots of examples for the properties) 
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07:25:25 <chris> actionitem 238 is also done I think, since this is related I assume
07:26:37 <chris> ah no wait action 238 is not done, I need to create an example with metadata in different languages
07:27:20 <joakim> Hi Chris, we will have an editing session until 11.00
07:27:33 <chris> actionitem 244 is done
07:27:52 <chris> actionitem 245 is done
07:28:35 <joakim> Ok thats great!
07:28:55 <chris> so if I want to make additional changes to the document, where do I start from?
07:29:02 <chris> is there a new version somewhere?
07:29:17 <joakim> How about writing webIdl example for the use cases we sent yesterday?
07:30:11 <chris> I will try (it wil be javascript examples by the way since webIDL is only for interfaces)
07:30:26 <joakim> ok :-) 
07:31:04 <chris> check that in the API document in section 3.8.1.1 there is still an old example that can be removed (the second one)
07:31:31 <chris> the same for section 3.10.2.1
07:31:49 <chris> and 3.11.2.1
07:32:41 <chris> and 3.12.1.1  and 3.12.6.1 and 3.12.8.1
07:33:02 <joakim> and then there is the list of status codes sent by Florian (according to Robin #46)
07:33:24 <chris> yes I leave it up to you guys to integrate this in the document
07:33:30 <chris> I will focus on the examples
07:35:47 <joakim> Ok great. BTW your version of the API is the last one! 
07:36:28 <joakim> When you are finished we can integrate changes from Felix in to your version
07:41:42 <chris> hmm my version can not be the last one since there are action items for Wonsuk and Werner that have not been integrated (by me)
07:42:36 <chris> converting the image to svg, changing the name of setMAResource, adding units for framesize 
07:52:51 <wonsuk> Chris, in my case i didn't do that :)
07:53:02 <wonsuk> don't worry ;)
07:54:26 <daniel> action to werner is *unit*. he will do this laer, therefore your version can be the latest one...please go ahead with yours
07:54:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
08:20:13 <wonsuk> chris, concerning the svg version of image, it's not working correctly in the Chrome and firefox. so i think that we need to apply this later.
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08:44:22 <chris> I just noticed that numTracks in the ontology document is updated to hold the number and the specification?
08:44:36 <chris> can somebody confirm this so that I can change it in the API?
08:46:16 <florian> chris
08:46:26 <chris> yes?
08:46:36 <florian> yeah, thats right
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09:16:51 <tobiasb> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
09:17:38 <tobiasb> section 4.1.2
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09:26:24 <wbailer> it's the style referenced in the mapping tables, eg. http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/summary.html
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09:26:51 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
09:26:51 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 146 minutes ago
09:44:30 <chris> lunch time for me
09:44:42 <chris> I have sent a mail with the updated API doc
09:45:07 <chris> And another mail with proposal of example code for the use cases that Joakim described (and some open questions :))
09:46:13 <wbailer> we are going to start with the test suite now, if some of you want to phone in
09:46:29 <chris> so action item 238 is done
09:46:31 <martinh> rdfs:range sec.3.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_property
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09:46:57 <Zakim> +??P3
09:47:11 <martinh> rdfs:range sec.3.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_property
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09:47:20 <wbailer> zakim, ??p3 is ViennaF2F
09:47:20 <Zakim> +ViennaF2F; got it
09:47:33 <chris> werner, I am assuming that you got mail of wednesday 14th concerning the test suites
09:51:39 <wbailer> yes, the one concerion action-227
09:54:28 <martinh> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/ wbailer 4.1.3
09:59:12 <Zakim> -ViennaF2F
09:59:13 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has ended
09:59:13 <Zakim> Attendees were ViennaF2F
10:01:59 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
10:02:17 <wbailer> topic: Test suite
10:03:00 <wbailer> action: joakim to prepare a document containing the examples from thes introduction (to be used for test cases)
10:03:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Prepare a document containing the examples from thes introduction (to be used for test cases) [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-05].
10:05:06 <wbailer> felix' proposal for test suite: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0065.html
10:08:29 <wbailer> tobias: thierry commented that this is not a test suite design
10:08:56 <wbailer> joakim: assume we have a test case, how could we implement it?
10:10:11 <wbailer> joakim: conclusion was to have a generic return format in test cases, but not for the input
10:11:33 <wbailer> joakim: no decision on intermediate format to decouple extraction from format and the actual api implementation
10:12:25 <wbailer> werner: could rdf/owl based representation be an intermedia representation?
10:12:56 <wbailer> joakim: could be considered as some kind of xml, without the need to specifically deal with rdf/owl in the implementation
10:13:45 <wbailer> joakim: scheduling: may will be taken by dealing with lc feedback, so we should try to get progress on the test suite before summer
10:13:52 <wbailer> ... is this feasible?
10:14:28 <wbailer> ... using the rdf format would be an advantage, as it's already there by then
10:14:48 <wbailer> daniel: there is no official document related to test suite
10:15:01 <wbailer> ... result of conformance testing is relevant
10:15:08 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs publis
10:15:11 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs publis
10:15:17 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
10:15:28 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
10:15:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
10:17:19 <wbailer> joakim: there is no document to be delivered, but there will be a web service
10:18:26 <wbailer> wonsuk: the example we look at from html 5 is just a page accessed with the different browsers
10:18:42 <wbailer> ... in our case there will be implementations in a browser or standalone application
10:20:42 <wbailer> (joakim draws example on flip chart)
10:27:39 <wbailer> daniel: have a way to select test cases for certain formats
10:28:19 <wbailer> ... certain implementers will only support certain formats
10:28:49 <wbailer> joakim: start with test cases for one property 
10:29:01 <wbailer> we need several test per property
10:34:24 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
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10:36:20 <wbailer> action: florian to supply jpeg images with exif 
10:36:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Supply jpeg images with exif  [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-05-05].
10:37:39 <wbailer> action: tobias to provide mp3 file with id3 info
10:37:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-252 - Provide mp3 file with id3 info [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-05-05].
10:38:05 <wbailer> action: werner to provide mpeg-7 describing a moview
10:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Provide mpeg-7 describing a moview [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-05-05].
10:38:27 <wbailer> (group photo!)
10:38:33 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
10:38:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
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12:29:45 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
12:29:45 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 329 minutes ago
12:30:53 <wbailer> topic: review of changes to ontology document
12:30:57 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
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12:36:49 <wbailer> going through issues in excel sheet
12:36:52 <wbailer> 3 is pending
12:37:01 <wbailer> 10 is not done, but dfn should be ok
12:37:38 <wbailer> 11: we have text, needs to be edited, john will do when going through document
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12:39:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:41:08 <wbailer> 14 to be done
12:41:47 <daniel> resume our session this afternoon. checking out the status of all comments
12:41:52 <wbailer> 16 to be done
12:43:54 <wbailer> 17 checked xml schema types with html 5, need to add text discussing our choice
12:44:58 <wbailer> 22 formating to be done 
12:47:09 <wbailer> 25 to be done, felix to propose namespace uri
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12:47:28 <wbailer> action: felix to propose namespace URI for mawg
12:47:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Propose namespace URI for mawg [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-05-05].
12:49:02 <wbailer> action: joakim to draft text concerning mawg namespace and ma prefix
12:49:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Draft text concerning mawg namespace and ma prefix [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-05].
12:49:37 <fsasaki> present+ Felix(afternoon_partially)
12:50:11 <fsasaki> s/present+ Felix(afternoon_partially)/present+ Felix(afternoon_partially_on_IRC)/
12:53:39 <wbailer> 26: example provided, wonsuk to insert
12:55:24 <wbailer> 34 to be decided
12:58:16 <wbailer> we will use mediaType, wonsuk to edit
12:58:37 <wbailer> 43 to be done by john
12:58:45 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
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13:04:25 <wbailer> there is a new version of the ontology doc online, and we still have a list of todos (wonsuk is adding them to the wiki)
13:04:44 <wbailer> vote for LC will be on the condition that the issues in this list are done
13:10:49 <wbailer> issues for LC are collected at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC
13:10:57 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
13:10:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
13:13:27 <fsasaki> wbailer, all: I have sent a mail to Joakim, see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2010Apr/0134.html - that closes my action item ACTION-254
13:14:33 <daniel> straw poll here: what's your preference ? ma:compression vs ma:coding vs ma:encoding....Please select only one now
13:17:16 <wbailer> topic: review of changes to API document
13:17:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:18:21 <wbailer> going through the issues in the excel file (https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_issues.xlsx)
13:26:28 <chpoppe> Robin's comment was based on an earlier version of the API-document. IMO the new version is more clear on this aspect
13:26:58 <wbailer> issue 7 is considered resolved
13:28:52 <wbailer> chris, issue 11: has the example been added?
13:30:30 <chpoppe> yes, see section 3.1.1
13:30:50 <daniel> ma:compression (0), ma:encoding (6), ma:coding (1) - What about you ? Tell me in IRC now
13:32:21 <chpoppe> I have no strong opinion on this matter so I give a blanco vote :)
13:33:30 <wbailer> 12 done
13:34:01 <wbailer> 14 done, but some issues with embedded svg in some browsers
13:35:07 <wbailer> 15 setContext to be changes to selectContext (to avoid confusion with a setter), to be done by chris
13:37:06 <chpoppe> setContext is deprecated, it has been changed to setMAResource and according to comments it is now selectMAResource
13:37:22 <chpoppe> see section 3.1.1
13:38:18 <wbailer> 15 is done
13:40:16 <wbailer> 20 to be completed by florian
13:41:42 <wbailer> 21 wonsuk to add same example as in ontology doc
13:41:50 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
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13:47:12 <wbailer> 25 to be done, drop sentence "possibilities are ..." (wonsuk)
13:50:50 <wbailer> 30 to be done by wonsuk
13:52:56 <wbailer> 36 to be done by joakim
13:53:40 <wbailer> 38 to be done by wonsuk
13:56:35 <wbailer> 39 changes to be checked between wonsuk and chris (inheritance from maobject)
13:57:02 <wbailer> 40 same issue as with 39
13:58:27 <chpoppe> hmm yes the format and samplingrate interface should inherit from the MAObject
13:58:33 <chpoppe> as all other properties
13:59:04 <wbailer> 46 list of error codes to be included by chris
13:59:55 <chpoppe> wonsuk can you just change this? so "interface Samplingrate {"   should be "interface Samplingrate: MAObject {" 
14:01:14 <chpoppe> hmm it's better that wonsuk includes these error codes
14:01:59 <chpoppe> I have a meeting in 15 minutes and don't have time to do this now
14:03:15 <wonsuk> chris, I will do the change the format and samplingrate... 
14:03:54 <wonsuk> so please upload last version to the cvs repository before you go to the meeting.
14:04:27 <chpoppe> I dont have a last version
14:04:40 <chpoppe> my last version was that of noon
14:05:41 <wonsuk> ok. chris. thanks.
14:05:57 <chpoppe> btw if you change the Format interface, also change it in appendix 
14:06:11 <chpoppe> appendix A
14:06:23 <wonsuk> ok..  i will do that
14:07:14 <wbailer> 53 florian to provide an example (considering the recommendations from dominique, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0134.html)
14:07:30 <wbailer> 54 to be done by john
14:07:45 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
14:07:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
14:14:50 <chpoppe> I need to go, keep up the good work guys, and have a safe trip home!
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14:42:56 <wbailer> vote for going to lc with ontology doc:
14:43:06 <wbailer> latest draft: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
14:43:28 <wbailer> going to LC when issues at are resolved: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC
14:44:00 <wbailer> do you agree to lc when the listed changes are applied to the current draft?
14:44:09 <wbailer> +1
14:44:24 <daniel> +1
14:44:32 <martinh> +1
14:44:44 <wonsuk> +1
14:44:49 <fsasaki> +1
14:44:55 <wbailer> joakim: +1
14:45:01 <wbailer> john: +1
14:46:35 <wonsuk> open issues of api doc: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Open_issues_of_API_doc_for_LC
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14:49:20 <wbailer> ote for going to lc with api doc:
14:49:27 <wbailer> s/ote/vote/
14:50:05 <wbailer> going to LC when issues at are resolved: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC (see lower section for API doc issues)
14:53:02 <fsasaki> +1
14:53:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'where am '
14:53:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:57:09 <wbailer> latest draft of api doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
14:57:25 <wbailer> do you agree to go to lc when the listed changes are applied to the current draft?
14:57:30 <wbailer> +1
14:57:31 <daniel> +1
14:57:34 <wonsuk> +1
14:57:37 <martinh> +1
14:57:40 <fsasaki> but *now*: 1+
14:58:16 <wbailer> john: +1
14:59:27 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to integrate felix' "usage as a service" changes into the api doc
14:59:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Integrate felix' "usage as a service" changes into the api doc [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-05].
14:59:28 <daniel> Joakim: +1
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15:00:37 <daniel> voting results on both ontology and API docs: YES (7), NO (0)
15:01:03 <joakim> +1
15:01:39 <wbailer> [F2F closed]
15:01:48 <wbailer> rrsagent,  draft minutes
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15:02:17 <daniel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
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