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07:02:16 <florian> Zakim, this is MAWG
07:02:16 <Zakim> florian, I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be MAWG".
07:02:24 <florian> Zakim, this will be MAWG
07:02:24 <Zakim> ok, florian; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
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07:04:05 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
07:04:05 <Zakim> wbailer, I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be mawg".
07:04:15 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
07:04:15 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
07:04:35 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG Vienna F2F day 2
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07:14:18 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
07:14:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
07:14:31 <florian> rrsagent, make logs public
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07:27:10 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has now started
07:27:17 <Zakim> +??P0
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07:27:34 <wbailer> zakim, ??P01 is ViennaF2F
07:27:34 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not recognize a party named '??P01'
07:27:47 <wbailer> zakim, ??P0 is ViennaF2F
07:27:47 <Zakim> +ViennaF2F; got it
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07:28:22 <florian> sribe: florian
07:28:28 <florian> scribe: florian
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07:30:15 <chris> I have sent a mail with an updated version of the API-document
07:30:53 <florian> topic: Administrative (agenda bashing)
07:31:06 <florian> changed several agenda items
07:31:26 <florian> new agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_ViennaF2F
07:31:33 <florian> topic: API Doc I
07:31:40 <florian> chris sent the new document version
07:32:05 <florian> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html
07:34:45 <Zakim> +chris
07:36:21 <florian> going through a list of collected API issues regarding the API doc
07:36:53 <chris> is this list available onlineM
07:36:54 <chris> ?
07:38:37 <florian> RESOLUTION: first version of the API document will only contain GET methods
07:45:37 <florian> Excel file containing remaining issues: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_issues.xlsx
07:48:15 <florian> Wonsuk: we need to add general examples how MAObject can be retrieved, e.g. in a JavaScript example 
07:48:30 <florian> Chris: this must be a elaborated example
07:50:53 <florian> action: chris to come up with a good JavaScript example for the access of MAObject
07:50:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Come up with a good JavaScript example for the access of MAObject [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
07:55:30 <florian> next issue (column 9)
07:55:36 <florian> Wonsuk: this is already done
07:56:07 <florian> next issue (column 10)
07:56:11 <florian> Chris: already done
07:56:31 <florian> next issue (column 11)
07:58:00 <florian> Chris: yet no changes for this issue
08:00:34 <florian> action: chris to add example regarding column 11
08:00:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Add example regarding column 11 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
08:08:09 <florian> next issue (column 14)
08:08:16 <chris> done
08:10:26 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:10:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
08:12:02 <florian> Group wants to keep the picture in the specification
08:12:45 <chris> +1
08:12:46 <florian> action: werner to convert the image in the API doc to svg 
08:12:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Convert the image in the API doc to svg  [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-05-04].
08:14:10 <florian> next issue (column 15)
08:14:39 <florian> same issue as 14
08:15:26 <florian> next issue (column 16)
08:15:30 <florian> missunderstanding
08:16:38 <florian> next issue (column 17)
08:17:15 <florian> Chris: setMAResource is ok for me - already changed it
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08:17:23 <florian> ... the name is not important for me
08:20:20 <florian> next issue (column 18)
08:23:32 <florian> Florian: setMAResource is misleading
08:24:36 <florian> Martin: perhaps select would be better?
08:25:41 <florian> action: wonsuk to change the name of method "setMAResource"
08:25:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Change the name of method "setMAResource" [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
08:35:13 <Zakim> -ViennaF2F
08:35:42 <chris> zakim, who is here?
08:35:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see chris
08:35:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
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08:39:14 <chris> zakim, who is here
08:39:14 <Zakim> chris, you need to end that query with '?'
08:39:17 <chris> zakim, who is here?
08:39:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see chris
08:39:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see martin_h, florian, tobiasb, RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
08:39:38 <florian> Florian: name of "setMAResource" method is misleading
08:39:45 <florian> Martin: perhaps select would be better?
08:39:51 <florian> action: wonsuk to change the name of method "setMAResource"
08:39:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Change the name of method "setMAResource" [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
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08:40:16 <Zakim> +??P0
08:40:19 <florian> Joakim: we should also send the reviewer the summary files for the docs
08:40:21 <florian> API Doc summary file for the reviewer available at: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_summary_file.xls 
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08:40:57 <wbailer> zakim, who is there
08:40:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is there', wbailer
08:41:02 <wbailer> zakim, who is here
08:41:02 <Zakim> wbailer, you need to end that query with '?'
08:41:05 <wbailer> zakim, who is here?
08:41:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see chris, ??P0
08:41:06 <florian> zakim, who is here
08:41:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see wbailer, florian, tobiasb, RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
08:41:09 <Zakim> florian, you need to end that query with '?'
08:41:27 <wbailer> zakim, ??P0 is ViennaF2F
08:41:27 <Zakim> +ViennaF2F; got it
08:42:31 <florian> nex issue (item 23)
08:42:35 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
08:42:50 <florian> s/nex issue (item 23)/next issue ()
08:43:01 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:43:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
08:43:39 <florian> s/nex issue (item 23)/next issue ()
08:43:40 <florian> s/nex issue (item 23)/next issue ()
08:43:40 <florian> s/next issue ()/next issue (line 22)
08:44:33 <florian> Joakim: can you explain what getProperty does?
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08:45:19 <florian> Chris: if you ask for a value of a property (e.g., title), getProperty retrieves an array containing the objects
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08:55:03 <chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html#identifier--interface
08:56:08 <florian> Chris: here you can see an example of getProperty in JavaScript
08:56:53 <florian> ... i will make examples for all properties and also the general examples
08:57:09 <florian> next issue (line 21)
08:57:17 <florian> Chris: changed
08:57:25 <florian> next issue (line 22)
08:57:42 <florian> pass
08:57:54 <florian> next issue (line 24)
08:58:10 <florian> Chris: felix said he wants to change it
08:58:32 <florian> ... sylvia proposed how to do this
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09:00:06 <chris> felix to update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON 
09:00:23 <florian> action: felix to update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON 
09:00:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON  [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-05-04].
09:00:36 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:00:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
09:20:39 <tobiasb> Page for the RDF Taskforce: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Ontology_Implementation
09:28:04 <chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html#contributor--interface\
09:30:37 <florian> next item (line 28)
09:31:47 <chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html#description--interface
09:44:06 <florian> next issue (item 30)
09:44:18 <florian> a real example should be added to clarify
09:44:32 <chris> +1
09:44:45 <chris> if somebody has a good example we can update the document
09:46:27 <florian> next issue (item 31)
09:46:54 <florian> Chris: changed
09:46:57 <florian> next issue (item 32)
09:47:11 <florian> Chris: will be replaced by the description interface
09:47:14 <florian> next issue (item 33)
09:47:23 <florian> Chris: also changing into keyword interface
09:47:31 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:47:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
09:48:25 <florian> next issue (item 34)
09:48:36 <florian> Chris: done
09:48:39 <florian> next issue (item 35)
09:48:41 <florian> Chris: done
09:48:46 <florian> next issue (item 36)
09:48:59 <florian> agreed at the TPAC and also changed in the ontology doc
09:52:24 <florian> next issue (item 37)
09:52:34 <florian> real example should be added
09:52:38 <florian> next issue (item 38)
09:52:52 <florian> Chris: changed
09:53:21 <florian> Joakim: we need units for framesize (pixels != svg)
09:54:53 <florian> action: wonsuk to adding units to the framesize
09:54:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Adding units to the framesize [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
09:54:59 <florian> next issue (item 40)
09:55:14 <florian> Chris: updating it
09:55:31 <florian> action: chris to update the doc regarding item 40
09:55:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Update the doc regarding item 40 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
09:55:40 <florian> next issue (item 41)
09:55:57 <florian> action: chris to update the doc regarding item 41
09:55:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Update the doc regarding item 41 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
09:56:07 <florian> next issue (item 42)
09:58:58 <florian> action: wonsuk to update the change the bitrate into averagebitrate
09:58:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Update the change the bitrate into averagebitrate [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
09:59:37 <florian> next issue (item 43)
09:59:57 <florian> Chris: should be resolved
10:00:13 <florian> next issue (item 44)
10:01:36 <florian> next issue (item 45)
10:01:52 <florian> solved
10:01:56 <florian> next issue (item 46)
10:02:38 <florian> Chris: keep as is
10:02:40 <florian> +1
10:03:42 <florian> -1
10:04:15 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:04:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
10:12:22 <florian> action: florian to discuss possible error messages as an input for the diagnosis section
10:12:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Discuss possible error messages as an input for the diagnosis section [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-05-04].
10:12:42 <florian> next issue (item 47)
10:15:35 <florian> done
10:15:39 <florian> next issue (item 48)
10:15:40 <florian> done
10:15:45 <florian> next issue (item 49)
10:15:46 <florian> done
10:15:51 <florian> next issue (item 50)
10:15:59 <florian> Chris: removed
10:16:03 <florian> next issue (item 51)
10:17:02 <florian> done (security disclaimer)
10:17:22 <florian> next issue (item 52)
10:18:05 <florian> done
10:18:51 <florian> next issue (item 53)
10:20:00 <florian> Joakim: should we forward this to Dom
10:20:30 <florian> action: joakim to ask dominique regarding item 53 (WebIDL) 
10:20:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Ask dominique regarding item 53 (WebIDL)  [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-04].
10:20:46 <florian> next issue (item 54)
10:20:53 <florian> aggreed
10:24:34 <Zakim> -chris
10:28:14 <florian> since not every item has been clarified, please look into this Excel file for detailed informations:
10:28:16 <florian> https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_doc_final.xls
10:28:43 <florian> This file will be also given to the reviewer.
10:28:47 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:28:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
10:30:32 <florian> chair: Daniel, Joakim
10:30:36 <florian> Zakim, who is here
10:30:36 <Zakim> florian, you need to end that query with '?'
10:30:39 <florian> Zakim, who is here?
10:30:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see ViennaF2F
10:30:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see wonsuk, joakim, martin_h, daniel, wbailer, florian, tobiasb, RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
10:30:51 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:30:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
10:31:55 <florian> present: wonsuk, joakim, martin_h, daniel, wbailer, florian, tobiasb, chris, john
10:31:56 <Zakim> -ViennaF2F
10:31:57 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:31:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
10:31:57 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has ended
10:31:57 <Zakim> Attendees were ViennaF2F, chris
10:36:22 <chris> the new version of the API document is online
10:36:54 <chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html
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12:05:05 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has now started
12:05:12 <Zakim> +??P2
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12:06:09 <wbailer> zakim, who is here?
12:06:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2
12:06:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see wbailer, fstegmai, tobiasb, florian, wonsuk, joakim, daniel, RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
12:06:21 <wbailer> zakim, ??P2 is ViennaF2F
12:06:21 <Zakim> +ViennaF2F; got it
12:10:50 <tobiasb> Zakim, who is here?
12:10:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see ViennaF2F
12:10:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see wbailer, fstegmai, tobiasb, wonsuk, joakim, daniel, RRSAgent, Zakim, chris, trackbot
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12:15:31 <Zakim> + +41.22.717.aaaa
12:16:09 <fstegmai> Zakim, aaaa is jean-pierre
12:16:09 <Zakim> +jean-pierre; got it
12:16:51 <fstegmai> topic: RDF Task Force
12:17:45 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:17:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
12:18:14 <florian> topic: RDF Task Force
12:18:18 <florian> scribe: florian
12:18:22 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:18:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
12:19:34 <florian> Tobias: Martin and i have updated the wiki page entry - Veronique and Pierre-Antoine did?nt contribute yet
12:19:41 <florian> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Ontology_Implementation
12:21:20 <florian> Tobias: we could make a webimplementation using e.g., Dublin Core - may not cover everything
12:21:56 <florian> Jean-Pierre: why do you want to use DC etc.? Don?t have the MA namespace
12:22:26 <florian> ... you have to distinguish between classes and the implementation
12:24:37 <florian> Tobias: we should define first the concepts and map these to other ontologies
12:28:11 <florian> Tobias (explaining Jean-Pierre point): we must first define classes that we need, than look into the implementation
12:29:30 <florian> Tobias: let?s go through the mentioned classes in the wiki entry if they are complete
12:30:39 <florian> ... better if they cover our needs
12:30:51 <florian> ... first we need a class for resource
12:31:17 <florian> ... why program?
12:31:45 <florian> Jean-Pierre: it?s just an illustration
12:31:55 <florian> ... for me resource is ok
12:32:12 <florian> Joakim: we should name it MediaResource
12:33:35 <florian> Tobias is going through the set of core properties and derives classes together with the group
12:40:54 <florian> List of needed classes: 1. MediaResource 2. Creator 3. Cotributor 4. Publisher 5. Location 6. Collection 7. MediaFragment 8. Concepts
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12:41:31 <florian> Tobias: i do not know, if we need to distinguish between 2., 3. and 4.
12:43:09 <florian> Jean-Pierre: of course you can merge them, but than you have to define rules etc.
12:44:04 <florian> Werner: here we go beyond the attributes we have defined
12:44:49 <florian> ... the main question is how far we want to go in defining the attributes of these classes
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12:47:41 <florian> scribe: florian
12:50:22 <florian> RESOLUTION: we take these classes defined in the 7th MAWG F2F (1. - 8.)
12:50:36 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
12:51:26 <florian> Tobias: we might add subclasses to 1. if we want
12:52:04 <florian> ... the next step is to define the properties
12:54:36 <florian> The group goes through the list and chooses, whether properties are data or object properties
12:55:37 <florian> identifier data property?
12:55:41 <florian> yes
12:56:07 <florian> title data property? - yes
12:56:28 <florian> language data property? -yes
12:56:38 <florian> locator  - dp
12:56:44 <florian> contributor - op
12:56:49 <florian> creator - op
12:56:55 <florian> createDate dp
12:59:21 <florian> DP ma:identifier
12:59:21 <florian> DP ma:title
12:59:21 <florian> DP ma:language
12:59:21 <florian> DP ma:locator
12:59:21 <florian> OP ma:contributor
12:59:22 <florian> OP ma:creator
12:59:24 <florian> DP ma:createDate
12:59:26 <florian> OP ma:location
12:59:28 <florian> DP ma:description
12:59:30 <florian> DP ma:keyword
12:59:32 <florian> OP ma:genre
12:59:34 <florian> OP ma:rating
12:59:36 <florian> OP ma:relation
12:59:38 <florian> OP ma:collection
12:59:40 <florian> DP ma:copyright
12:59:42 <florian> DP ma:policy
12:59:44 <florian> OP ma:publisher
12:59:46 <florian> OP ma:targetAudience
12:59:50 <florian> OP ma:fragments
12:59:52 <florian> OP ma:namedFragments
12:59:54 <florian> DP ma:frameSize
12:59:56 <florian> DP ma:compression
12:59:58 <florian> DP ma:duration
13:00:00 <florian> DP ma:format
13:00:02 <florian> DP ma:samplingrate
13:00:04 <florian> DP ma:framerate
13:00:07 <florian> DP ma:bitrate
13:00:08 <florian> DP ma:numTracks
13:00:10 <florian> dp == data property, op == object property
13:00:21 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
13:01:06 <Zakim> -jean-pierre
13:03:49 <florian> Tobias will make a ontology proposal to have a basis to discuss.
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13:04:41 <florian> action: tobiasb to come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F
13:04:41 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tobiasb
13:04:47 <florian> action: tobias to come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F
13:04:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-05-04].
13:05:02 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html florian
13:06:15 <florian> Tobias and some others will have some offline discussion about the ontology today and tomorrow.
13:06:26 <florian> topic: Editorial Work
13:06:31 <Zakim> -ViennaF2F
13:06:33 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has ended
13:06:35 <Zakim> Attendees were ViennaF2F, +41.22.717.aaaa, jean-pierre
13:06:46 <florian> Here we refelct the cahnges into the documents. No more scribing today.
13:06:50 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:19:47 <tobiasb> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616.html
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14:19:58 <tobiasb> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616.html
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14:50:40 <tobiasb> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html
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15:16:24 <tobiasb> error codes are defined now
15:19:14 <tobiasb> florian will send a mail to the list
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