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08:44:44 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
08:44:44 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
08:45:13 <wbailer> meeting: mawg
08:57:19 <wonsuk> what is the appropriate for the order? Last or First name ?
09:01:17 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
09:01:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
09:06:07 <daniel> We booked teleconf bridge already, but some problems happen now when accessing the bridge. Please be patient. I've sent a notice to W3C management guys to fix it up.
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09:35:39 <daniel> start our meeting, self-introduction
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09:45:27 <Chris> Hi wonsuk, no not yet I wanted to see what others had to say on Sylvia's remarks
09:45:33 <Chris> hi everybody :)
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09:52:48 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
09:52:48 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
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10:09:32 <tobiasb> action: joakim to contact Google
10:09:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-234 - Contact Google [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-03].
10:12:46 <tobiasb> Daniel: Working group might be extended; Joakim and Daniel have to ask for an extension before July
10:13:14 <tobiasb> Joakim: Half a year extension is possible without re-chartering
10:13:54 <tobiasb> Werner: Does the group intend to publish the RDF taskforce work in one document?
10:14:01 <tobiasb> Daniel: We can publish it as an appendix.
10:14:48 <tobiasb> Joakim: Mapping table will be part of the specification / it will be normative -> no way to change later.
10:15:43 <tobiasb> Next topic: Check status of action items
10:16:28 <tobiasb> Actions: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/
10:17:45 <tobiasb> ACTION-47 is ongoing
10:18:03 <tobiasb> ACTION-124 ongoing
10:18:21 <tobiasb> ACTION-189 is ongoing
10:19:00 <tobiasb> Status ACTION-209: Student has finished his work; will soon be available for the group.
10:19:22 <tobiasb> ACTION-209 is ongoing
10:20:03 <tobiasb> Florian: We extract Flickr metadata, use the KOFIR dataset
10:23:20 <tobiasb> s/KOFIR/COPHIR
10:23:58 <tobiasb> ACTION-214 is ongoing
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10:24:13 <tobiasb> Florian: will send a link to the MXM workshop later.
10:25:02 <tobiasb> ACTION-219 is done
10:25:06 <tobiasb> close ACTION-219
10:25:06 <trackbot> ACTION-219 Update the API doc e with the service description closed
10:25:21 <tobiasb> ACTION-223 is ongoing
10:26:00 <tobiasb> close ACTION-224
10:26:00 <trackbot> ACTION-224 check together with other ontology doc editors results from webapps review and make updates closed
10:26:14 <tobiasb> (Veronique has uploaded a new version)
10:27:48 <tobiasb> ACTION-225 is ongoing
10:29:05 <tobiasb> @vmalais: did you work on ACTION-225 recently?
10:29:20 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
10:29:20 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
10:30:02 <tobiasb> close ACTION-227
10:30:02 <trackbot> ACTION-227 Propose how to implement table from felix for one or 2 function closed
10:30:38 <tobiasb> close ACTION-231
10:30:38 <trackbot> ACTION-231 Look at Silvia's comment closed
10:30:44 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:30:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-mediaann-minutes.html florian
10:30:53 <florian> rrsagent, make logs public
10:31:00 <tobiasb> ACTION-232 is ongoing
10:31:21 <tobiasb> ACTION-233 is ongoing
10:32:04 <florian> Zakim, who is here?
10:32:04 <Zakim> sorry, florian, I don't know what conference this is
10:32:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see florian, chris, tobiasb, vmalais, RRSAgent, wbailer, Zakim, daniel, wonsuk, trackbot
10:33:42 <tobiasb> Next agenda item: lunch
10:34:22 <tobiasb> zakim, list conferences
10:34:22 <Zakim> I see no active conferences and none scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
10:35:02 <daniel> to folks, sorry for our bridge problem...we are now trying to call W3C. once again, sorry for your inconvenience. We will try during lunc time for fixing the bridge problem.
10:35:39 <daniel> See you after 1:30 hours for lunch.have a good lunch time
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11:53:45 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
11:53:45 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
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12:15:02 <Js> test
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12:16:35 <plh> the bridge is fixed
12:16:50 <daniel> we are calling...one second
12:17:02 <plh> sorry about that. the system didn't load the reservation properly.
12:17:07 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
12:17:07 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; that matches IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM
12:17:14 <plh> tomorrow and the day after are fine
12:17:19 <daniel> done, thanks Philippe....folks you can connect to our bridge...please do this right now
12:17:58 <plh> again, really sorry about that.
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12:18:38 <plh> we'll debug the bridge later to understand why the reservation didn't get loaded by the bridge
12:18:45 <tobiasb> scribe: tobiasb
12:19:13 <tobiasb> Next agenda item: Ontology Doc I 
12:19:19 <wbailer> zakim, p4 is ViennaF2F
12:19:19 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not recognize a party named 'p4'
12:19:27 <wbailer> zakim, ??P4 is ViennaF2F
12:19:27 <Zakim> +ViennaF2F; got it
12:21:04 <tobiasb> We look at the comments from Robin and Silvia
12:21:50 <tobiasb> Wonsuk: Some comments have already been implemented by Veronique
12:21:50 <daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Mar/0100.html
12:21:59 <daniel> Robin's comments
12:22:22 <daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0008.html
12:22:29 <vmalais> and the comments that have not been taken into account yet have been listed in my mail :)
12:22:29 <daniel> Silvia's comments
12:24:31 <tobiasb> We will ask the group to go for last call on Wednesday,
12:24:56 <tobiasb> We will now go through all remaining comments and decide how to proceed with them.
12:32:27 <Js> Plh. Please what is the difference between <df> and <dfn>?
12:32:59 <plh> <df> doesn't exist in HTML as far as I know
12:33:59 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa
12:34:38 <Js> Welcome Chris!
12:34:40 <chris> Zakim, +329331aaaa is me
12:34:40 <Zakim> +chris; got it
12:35:12 <wonsuk> @plh: how about <def> ?
12:35:29 <wonsuk> for description of definition?
12:35:32 <plh> <def> doesn't exist in HTML either
12:35:36 <plh> http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/
12:35:45 <chris> zakim, mute me
12:35:45 <Zakim> chris should now be muted
12:35:53 <wonsuk> <def> is exist in the XMLSpec.dtd
12:36:01 <plh> oh, xmlspec
12:36:05 <plh> that's different :)
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12:37:02 <wonsuk> our question is which markup is appropriate for the spec ? <def> or <dfn>?
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12:37:20 <plh> dfn doesn't exist in HTML
12:37:23 <plh> oops
12:37:29 <plh> dfn doesn't exist in *xmlspec*
12:37:36 <plh> I'm checking on def
12:38:47 <plh> <def> exists
12:41:28 <tobiasb> John will send a definition of ontologies to Daniel; Daniel will send to the list.
12:42:28 <joakim> In this context an ontology denote a taxonomy with a set of inference rules.
12:42:29 <joakim> In philosophy, ontology (from the Greek ??, genitive ?????: of being (part. of ?????: to be) and -?????: science, study, theory) is the study of being or existence.
12:44:04 <vmalais> we do not take the philosophical definition of ontology into account here
12:44:09 <vmalais> we take the AI definition
12:44:23 <vmalais> Gruber 1995, a "specification of a model"
12:44:41 <vmalais> "specification of a shared conceptualisation"
12:45:02 <vmalais> and such a specification can be more or less formal
12:45:16 <vmalais> we go for the least possible formal specification, the vocabulary
12:45:20 <tobiasb> The MAWG ontology defines a controlled vocabulary with commonly agreed concepts / terms
12:45:25 <vmalais> in my humble opinion
12:45:37 <joakim> Sorry, the second line was pasted in by mistake
12:46:01 <tobiasb> Studer/Fensel extended Gruber1995 into “a formal, explicit specification of a shared conceptualization". 
12:47:45 <vmalais> yes
12:48:03 <vmalais> that's the one I also think most appropriate to our context :)
12:52:29 <joakim> The Gruber definition was critizied because it's too abstract
12:54:49 <tobiasb> W3C, Video on the Web workshop, http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/
12:55:25 <daniel> video in the web vs. video on the web....Philippe ?
12:55:52 <plh> we picked video in the web during the AC review
12:55:58 <plh> due to one AC comment
12:56:07 <plh> so video in the web is the activity name
13:09:25 <joakim> chris are you here?
13:09:57 <joakim> Veronique are you there?
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13:13:50 <tobiasb> Joakim: Section 3 will be normative
13:26:35 <vmalais> you vote :)
13:26:51 <vmalais> no clue about it, I would say n the web...
13:26:54 <vmalais> on
13:27:47 <tobiasb> JPSearch: http://www.jpsearch.org/
13:28:45 <tobiasb> JPSearch and Transformation Rules: Mario Döller and Florian Stegmaier and Harald Kosch and Ruben Tous and Jaime Delgado Standardized Interoperable Image Retrieval ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SAC), Track on Advances in Spatial and Image-based Information Systems (ASIIS), pages=881-887, Sierre, Switzerland 
13:31:55 <tobiasb> ACTION: florian and tobiasb to check the datatypes used in the ontology doc
13:31:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-235 - And tobiasb to check the datatypes used in the ontology doc [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-05-03].
13:37:42 <tobiasb> ACTION: Veronique to make table 4.1.2 same format as the mapping table (using the same template)
13:37:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Veronique
13:38:05 <tobiasb> ACTION: vmalais to make table 4.1.2 same format as the mapping table (using the same template)
13:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Make table 4.1.2 same format as the mapping table (using the same template) [on Véronique Malaisé - due 2010-05-03].
14:00:04 <tobiasb> Zakim, unmute chris
14:00:04 <Zakim> chris should no longer be muted
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14:00:33 <tobiasb> Zakim, mute chris
14:00:33 <Zakim> chris should now be muted
14:02:02 <tobiasb> Current agenda item: break
14:02:38 <daniel> reference to ontology definition in our group by John: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0098.html
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14:26:13 <joakim> Veronique are you there?
14:38:51 <tobiasb> close ACTION-235
14:38:51 <trackbot> ACTION-235 And tobiasb to check the datatypes used in the ontology doc closed
14:41:18 <daniel> Philippe, can we define our own namespace ? any procedure in W3C ?
14:43:51 <plh> you can
14:44:04 <plh> just ask when doing the publication
14:44:20 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
14:45:49 <vmalais> that would be nice!
14:46:15 <vmalais> about my action item: I don't understand which template I'm supposed to use for the property description table...
14:46:39 <plh> actually, you don't even need to ask, just use it
14:46:59 <plh> See "Director approval is NOT REQUIRED when a namespace URI in a Technical Report has any of the following forms: [...]"
14:47:10 <plh> in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
14:52:21 <Zakim> -chris
15:09:25 <daniel> But our doc is not a TR, but a Rec...same guide to the Rec ?
15:13:04 <Zakim> -ViennaF2F
15:13:05 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)3:00AM has ended
15:13:05 <Zakim> Attendees were ViennaF2F, chris
15:23:27 <daniel> instead of ma:format: alternatives: ma:minetype, ma:mediatype, ma:contenttype...
15:24:29 <daniel> which is your preference ?
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15:34:32 <tobiasb> my preference would be ma:mediatype
15:34:38 <florian> [x] mimeType
15:38:57 <joakim> Meeting adjouned!
15:39:08 <daniel> agreed, my preference is also ma:mediatype
15:40:02 <wbailer> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&q=&vps=1&jsv=230b&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.445866,92.900391&ie=UTF8&geocode=FQed3wIdxNr5AA&split=0
15:40:05 <daniel> in EBU, compression or encoding (not coding) by JP
15:41:10 <daniel> tomorrow, we will have seperated sessions for ontology (editing) and API (comments review)
15:45:51 <tobiasb> Next agenda item: Figlmüller
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15:46:07 <tobiasb> all, see you tomorrow - we are closing the meeting for today.
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15:46:21 <tobiasb> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-mediaann-minutes.html tobiasb
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