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14:58:08 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:58:08 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:09 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:58:09 Date: 22 April 2010
14:58:49 zakim, code?
14:58:49 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kford
14:58:57 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
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14:59:20 + +1.408.307.aaaa
14:59:24 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/0184.html
14:59:32 zakim, call janina
14:59:32 ok, janina; the call is being made
14:59:34 +Janina
14:59:50 + +1.512.206.aabb
15:00:01 +[Microsoft]
15:00:04 + +1.514.312.aacc
15:00:06 zakim, drop janina
15:00:06 Janina is being disconnected
15:00:07 -Janina
15:00:11 zakim, aaaa is Eric
15:00:11 +Eric; got it
15:00:12 zakim, microsoft is kford
15:00:12 +kford; got it
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15:00:14 zakim, call janina
15:00:14 ok, janina; the call is being made
15:00:15 +Janina
15:00:32 zakim, aabb is reall allanj
15:00:32 I don't understand 'aabb is reall allanj', AllanJ
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15:00:40 zakim, drop janina
15:00:40 Janina is being disconnected
15:00:41 -Janina
15:00:45 zakim, aacc is Denis_Boudreau
15:00:45 +Denis_Boudreau; got it
15:00:48 zakim, call janina
15:00:48 ok, janina; the call is being made
15:00:49 +Janina
15:01:00 + +0207388aadd
15:01:07 zakim, aabb is Jim_Allan
15:01:07 +Jim_Allan; got it
15:01:16 zakim, +1.512.206.aabb is really allanj
15:01:16 sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named '+1.512.206.aabb'
15:01:18 +Michael_Cooper
15:01:27 zakim, aadd is Marco
15:01:27 +Marco; got it
15:01:35 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:35 On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Eric, Janina, Jim_Allan, kford, Denis_Boudreau, Marco, Michael_Cooper
15:01:37 +Wendy
15:01:53 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:01:53 Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:01:53 agenda: this
15:01:53 agenda+ Actions Review
15:01:53 agenda+ Media Subteam Update; Requirements; Telecon Scheduling
15:01:53 agenda+ Table Summary Restart http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table_Summary
15:01:53 zakim, aabb is really allanj
15:01:55 agenda+ Various New Elements Change Proposal (Redux)
15:01:56 sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:01:57 agenda+ Missing Alt--Current Call for Consensus http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/
15:01:59 agenda+ Setting Deadlines for Open Issues
15:02:01 agenda+ Resolved & Rejected Bugs Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/0171.html
15:02:02 +Dick_Bulterman
15:02:04 agenda+ New Business
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15:02:06 agenda+ next meetings, confirm date/time, choose scribe
15:02:08 agenda+ be done
15:02:11 chair: Janina_Sajka
15:02:38 + +1.650.862.aaee
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15:02:55 hardly... englisj is second language ans i have a hard time following most of the time (accents and stuff)
15:03:01 and*
15:03:22 + +49.179.103.aaff
15:03:46 i can try but my irc seems a bit unstable
15:03:50 i wouldn't dare ask ;p
15:04:37 +Ben
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15:05:55 zakim, aaee is John_Foliot
15:05:58 +John_Foliot; got it
15:06:07 there is still time to fill out http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/ if you haven't; want to know what others thought? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/results
15:06:46 +[IPcaller]
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15:07:42 zakim, IPcaller is Cynthia_Shelly
15:07:42 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
15:07:46 +??P11
15:08:42 action-2 due 6 May
15:08:42 ACTION-2 Deliver draft of change proposal for ARIA additions to HTML 5 by 2009-12-24 due date now 6 May
15:08:51 zakim, ??P11 is Jon_Gunderson
15:08:51 +Jon_Gunderson; got it
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15:09:26 action-22 due 30 June
15:09:26 ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force due date now 30 June
15:10:15 close action-25
15:10:15 ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments closed
15:10:19 +??P13
15:10:31 action-25: OBE or done
15:10:31 ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments notes added
15:10:55 zakim, ??P13 is Steve_Faulkner
15:10:55 +Steve_Faulkner; got it
15:11:34 JS is action 25 still relevant?
15:11:48 SF: yes
15:11:54 action-25: This is about techniques for text alternatives
15:11:54 ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments notes added
15:11:55 zakim, Steve_Faulkner is me
15:11:55 +Stevef; got it
15:11:59 open action-25
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15:13:57 JS: media sub-team: trying to organise conf calls
15:15:39 +[Microsoft]
15:15:58 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:15:58 +paulc; got it
15:16:47 JF: trying to find the right time, possibly by today. discussion in progress.
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15:17:20 +[Microsoft.a]
15:17:43 [discussion over the right time]
15:18:33 JS: probably Wednesday 22:00 UTC
15:18:40 JFoliot's email on timing of Media call: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/0191.html
15:20:07 Media call planning thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/thread.html#msg186
15:24:18 1. Look into previous HTML specifications (where table was first
15:24:20 introduced) to see if there is any clue why column methods were never
15:24:21 included (or perhaps they were included then scrapped for some
15:24:23 reason).
15:24:25 2. Talk with Philippe le Hegaret about DOM work wrt tables and find
15:24:26 out more about history of table methods from him. Ask him about
15:24:28 feasibility of column methods and row/span calculations.
15:24:29 3. Create some test files and figure out exactly how the col elements
15:24:31 is used. Learn more about it.
15:24:32 4. Dig into the existing table algorithms (in the HTML5 spec) and put
15:24:34 a few test cases through to determine if the new algorithm clears up
15:24:35 ambiguities with row and columns spans.
15:24:37 5. Spell out column apis and pass them past NVDA (Mick), Opera
15:24:38 (Charles), IE (Cynthia?), Webkit (?? James Craig), Mozilla (??) to
15:24:40 check for implementation feedback and feasibility.
15:24:42 6. If all this looks good, write a change proposal for the affected
15:24:43 parts of the HTML5 spec and send past the task force.
15:24:57 thanks Wendy :)
15:25:12 i/1. Look into/TOPIC: Table Issues/Proposals Update
15:25:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:25:57 scribenick+ Marco_Ranon
15:26:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:26:05 JS: how long will this take? We need deadlines
15:27:05 Gregory: will help Wendy
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15:27:43 i/i can try but my irc seems a bit unstable/Scribe: Marco_Ranon
15:27:56 i/i can try but my irc seems a bit unstable/scribenick: Marco_Ranon
15:27:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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15:28:11 + +1.617.300.aagg - is perhaps WGBH?
15:28:52 i/action-2 due 6 May/TOPIC: Action Item Review
15:28:55 JS: hopefully we'll be able to protect the @summary and get rid of many change proposals
15:29:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:29:15 617.300 is gfreed at wgbh.
15:29:24 zakim, WGBH is Geoff_Freed
15:29:24 +Geoff_Freed; got it
15:29:54 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table
15:30:11 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table_Summary
15:30:24 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
15:30:39 CS: will need to discuss wendy's proposal in conjunction to summary
15:30:42 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Table_Headers
15:31:16 CS: would be July OK? When is the cut off?
15:33:12 PC: difficult to predict. That's the WG wants hard dates
15:35:00 Wendy: need help but it could be done by July 9?
15:35:20 JS: we need to commit to realistic deadlines
15:36:02 JS: we shouldn't decide now. We'll discuss it by emails
15:36:36 -Wendy
15:37:24 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements
15:38:30 TOPIC: Recommendation on ISSUES-90, 91, 93, 95, 96, & 97
15:39:57 -Ben
15:39:58 shelley should be referred to F2F minutes
15:40:08 +Ben
15:40:36 MC: we didn't submitted change proposals because we didn't support the issues
15:40:54 all good
15:40:55 SC: we need to officially support a zero change proposal
15:41:08 TOPIC: text alternatives
15:41:11 agenda+ be donehttp://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/results
15:41:19 there is still time to fill out http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/ if you haven't; want to know what others thought? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/results
15:41:46 JS: survey still openuntil tonight
15:42:34 vote so far: 21 yes, 1 abstain, 0 no
15:42:47 JS: if there are no oppositions, we'll endorse this results
15:42:53 JS: but we need a formal vote
15:43:13 formal vote would happen here or email?
15:43:20 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126
15:44:03 aria-labelledby implicitly bound to aria-label
15:44:04 sorry - who asked?
15:44:17 thanks
15:44:34 JRG: has been @aria-label omitted by design?
15:44:47 JS: no
15:45:01 CS: probably @aria-label needs to be made explicit
15:45:01 aria-labelledby associated with an appropriate aria-label
15:45:25 Further to discussion since the face-to-face meeting in the past couple weeks, this change proposal does include that a
15:45:25 missing text alternative should be an error in conformance checkers. We expect the error text would reference
15:45:25 additional guidance on text alternatives in WCAG support materials.
15:45:43 plus 1
15:45:54 +1
15:45:59 +1
15:46:01 +1
15:46:34 +1
15:46:52 HTML5 Change Proposal: Replace img Guidance for Conformance Checkers
15:47:02 +1
15:47:03 +1
15:47:03 +1
15:47:03 +1
15:47:06 +1
15:47:13 +1
15:47:18 +1
15:47:18 +1
15:47:54 would it be better to propose final text in a CfC (call for consensus)
15:48:05 No vote.
15:48:44 JS: it might be necessary. can we set it up today?
15:48:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:49:49 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20040422_text-alt/
15:49:50 JS: still vote on the survey
15:50:38 TOPIC: deadlines
15:51:01 JS: Media: still to be agreed
15:51:03 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
15:51:28 JS: canvas: 12th May
15:51:37 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Proposals
15:51:49 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings
15:52:04 JS: ARIA mapping?
15:52:26 SC: JUly probably, no precise date yet
15:52:27 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/att-0003/2dcontext10-Apr-11.html
15:53:00 specific questions for Canvas Sub-Group members from RichS: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010AprJun/0003.html
15:53:18 SF: agreed, not sure yet where we stand
15:53:26 s/SC:/CS:/
15:54:21 CS: early July deadline, but I'm also working on other early July deadlines.
15:55:14 SF: CS, can you go through items you agree with, so we can show some progress?
15:55:44 CS: yes
15:56:37 TWO MINUTE WARNING
15:56:39 PC: the WG chairs want to see bugs before going to last call
15:58:03 plus 1 to a dedicated bug processing meeting (for at least an hour and a half)
15:58:04 JC: no time for open bugs. we need a specific meeting for this, in a week or two
15:58:22 s/JC: no time/JS: no time/
15:58:34 -[Microsoft]
15:58:43 -Jon_Gunderson
15:58:44 -Dick_Bulterman
15:58:44 -Stevef
15:58:45 -Geoff_Freed
15:58:45 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:58:46 yes pleas
15:58:48 -Ben
15:58:50 -kford
15:58:51 take care all
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