IRC log of webapps on 2010-04-21

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Zakim, this will be DOM3
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ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 April 2010
18:00:33 [shepazu]
Zakim, call shepazu
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ok, shepazu; the call is being made
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IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
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18:00:54 [smaug]
just a minute
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
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+Olli_Pettay; got it
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scribe: Travis
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scribeNick: Travis
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Topic: Issues review
18:05:34 [shepazu]
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Current editor's draft dated 4/20/2010:
18:06:01 [Travis]
shepazu: Many issues resolved in this draft.
18:06:31 [Travis]
... after review, we will be ready to publish (Working Draft)
18:07:27 [Travis]
... would like to go to LCWD in first two weeks of May.
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smaug: I see setCapture still. Looks to have issues...
18:09:00 [shepazu]
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Topic: set/releaseCapture.
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smaug: Recommend not taking these for D3E -- many unresolved issues...
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shepazu: [discusses possible use cases]
18:14:20 [Travis]
I am also in favor of postponing this to a future spec.
18:15:05 [Travis]
... many of the use-cases can be handled via the capture phase of the event model. Granted, capturing events over an iframe is not possible, however, we have had known security exploits as a result of this feature in IE.
18:17:51 [Travis]
Topic: magnify reference misleading?
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We all resolve to remove it because it might lead folks to think that it's spec'd somewhere...
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shepazu: OK. removed.
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Topic: trusted/untrusted events?
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shepazu: I think we've already resolved this...
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Topic: FocusEvent relatedTarget
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Speced as the eventTarget recieveing focus...
18:21:44 [shepazu]
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "">
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<html xmlns="">
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<title>Untitled Page</title>
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<input id="myCheck" name="checky" type="checkbox" />
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var check = document.getElementById("myCheck");
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check.addEventListener('click', function(e)
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alert('preventing the default action');
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}, false);
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18:25:50 [Travis]
(That's a sample code that "undoes" the check action after the fact, via preventDefault.)
18:26:06 [Travis]
(This is related to the issue in default actions.)
18:26:18 [Travis]
shepazu: Great. I'll clean this up and keep the wording as-is.
18:28:47 [Travis]
Back to relatedTarget/focus event type...
18:29:10 [Travis]
IE9 is currently reporting the same object for relatedTarget as target. We can adjust this if necessary...
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smaug: Yes, I don't see why we need to have them both point to the same place...
18:30:06 [Travis]
shepazu: OK. I'm changing relatedTarget to be 'null' in cases where the relatedTarget and target are the same in the FocusEvent interface.
18:34:49 [Travis]
Topic: Focus event types interaction (Issue 102)
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Action: shepazu to coordinate with WAI with issues of focus.
18:37:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-529 - Coordinate with WAI with issues of focus. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-04-28].
18:38:41 [shepazu]
18:47:05 [Travis]
(back to focus/blur topic... I sent the mail re: this topic on Feb 8, 2010, but it may have been rejected from www-dom. I just resent it to www-archive.
18:47:47 [Travis]
Topic: wheel event, button value
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Firefox: it appears to be 0 (which is the default when no value is assigned)
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Opera: seems kinda random 0's, 1's, and 2's reported...
18:49:52 [Travis]
shepazu: Should there be an associated button?
18:50:31 [Travis]
I like just having button and 'buttons' be zero.
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smaug: me too.
18:50:38 [Travis]
shepazu: OK. Done.
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Topic: dead key values during composition
19:02:51 [shepazu]
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shepazu: Simple resolves...
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Topic: JavaScript escaped characters
19:04:54 [Travis]
All the issues listed seem more like a Note than an issue.
19:04:58 [Travis]
shepazu: Agree.
19:06:32 [Travis]
Might even get its own section, a la "Considerations for key values in other language bindings"?
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shepazu: Do we need to worry about C/Java interactions?
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... the implementation will just need to handle it.
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... I'm going to convert these to notes.
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shepazu: I think that's the last major issue!
19:09:58 [Travis]
smaug: When the draft is updated, and before publication, please send out a mail.
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IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], Olli_Pettay
19:27:12 [shepazu]
trackbot, end telcon
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Zakim, list attendees
19:27:12 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: shepazu to coordinate with WAI with issues of focus. [1]
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