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18:02:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:02:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
18:02:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:02:45 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2010
18:02:49 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
18:02:50 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:03:24 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:03:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:03:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:03:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:03:55 <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
18:03:55 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
18:04:06 <Travis> Travis has joined #webapps
18:05:27 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
18:05:39 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
18:11:56 <smaug_> scribe, smaug_ 
18:12:34 <shepazu> scribenick: smaug_
18:13:21 <smaug_> Travis: going through issues
18:13:36 <smaug_> Travis: there is still magnify event
18:15:52 <smaug_> shepazu: we should clarify focused and active element
18:16:45 <smaug_> Travis: it all depends on whether the browser is focused or no
18:17:44 <smaug> testing
18:17:55 <smaug> scribenick, smaug
18:18:02 <smaug> scribenick: smaug
18:20:06 <smaug> shepazu: I'm not quite sure whether relatedTarget should be null in some cases in FocusEvent.relatedTarget
18:20:25 <smaug> Travis: this is about the security issue focusing iframe for example
18:20:42 <smaug> Travis: or if relatedTarget comes anywhere outside the document
18:21:13 <smaug> shepazu: writing email to the mailing about relatedTarget
18:22:22 <smaug> shepazu: I took magnify out of the spec 
18:24:19 <shepazu> Topic: registering events on nodes
18:24:21 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#interface-EventTarget
18:25:34 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#example-mousemove-click
18:27:23 <smaug> shepazu: the latter link points to example which isn't quite right
18:27:56 <smaug> Travis: you can't register something unless it is eventtarget
18:29:33 <smaug> Travis: trusted (implementation) mouse events fire only on elements
18:29:54 <smaug> Travis: but scripts may create mouse events and fire them on text nodes
18:30:12 <smaug> smaug: so remove "text nodes cannot be registered as event listeners"
18:31:39 <smaug> Travis: in the big blue table, those proximal event target types are for the "trusted events"
18:31:51 <Travis> trusted of type boolean, readonly, introduced in DOM Level 3
18:31:51 <Travis> Used to indicate whether this event was generated by the user agent (trusted) or by script (untrusted). See trusted events for more details.
18:36:13 <smaug> shepazu: should I define hysteresis
18:36:23 <smaug> Travis: yeah
18:39:01 <shepazu> define different headers in the List of DOM3 Event Types (esp. Tursted Proximal event target types)
18:39:37 <Travis> s/Tursted/Trusted/
18:40:26 <shepazu> also, explain in eventListener interface that though every node typ can be an event target, different event types can only be registered and have as targets specific node types
18:41:41 <shepazu> s/ifferent event types/ifferent trusted event types
18:45:52 <smaug> Travis: about compositionend
18:46:03 <smaug> Travis: it is currently cancelable
18:46:48 <smaug> Travis: if it is cancelled textInput isn't fired
18:47:52 <smaug> Travis: in our implementation compositionend fires in few different cases: user commits the composition, or if IME looses focus etc
18:48:24 <smaug> Travis: so IME tells when it is "done" and we fire compositionend
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18:49:16 <smaug> Travis: the feedback I had, cancelling compositionend cannot "undo" composition
18:52:21 <smaug> smaug: cancelling textInput doesn't make
18:59:09 <smaug> Travis: if you have textInput listener, you can always know the previous value
18:59:28 <smaug> smaug: just store the old value somewhere
19:00:21 <smaug> shepazu: no sense to have textInput cancelable
19:00:50 <smaug> smaug: make it non-cancelable
19:01:00 <smaug> Travis & shepazu yep
19:02:54 <smaug> Travis: cancelling compositionend doesn't prevent textInput from firing
19:03:08 <smaug> i.e. doesn't undo the composition
19:03:15 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-compositionend
19:04:17 <smaug> Travis: currently only compositionstart is effectively cancelable
19:06:36 <smaug> Topic: publish a working draft
19:07:44 <smaug> shepazu: for next week I'll try to get rid of as many issues as possible
19:08:03 <smaug> shepazu: then we'll publish
19:08:30 <smaug> resolution: publish new DOM 3 Events working draft
19:10:20 <smaug> ArtB: I would get not yet LC
19:10:25 <smaug> er
19:10:27 <smaug> guess
19:11:14 <smaug> shepazu: once again I mentioned to XForms wg about DOMActivate that they haven't sent all the feedback
19:14:42 <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to have LC before mid May
19:19:42 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
19:19:43 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:19:53 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:19:55 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
19:19:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], Olli_Pettay
19:25:07 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
19:25:07 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:25:07 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
19:25:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:25:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
19:25:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:25:09 <RRSAgent> I see no action items