IRC log of soap-jms on 2010-04-13

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 April 2010
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
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+ +1.708.246.aaaa
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Zakim, aabb is Mark
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+Mark; got it
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TOPIC: Appointment of the scribe
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scribe: Mark
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TOPIC: Approval of prior meeting minutes
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Minutes from 30/03 were approved
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Minutes from 6/04 were approved
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TOPIC: Review the agenda
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Eric: Also need to discuss testing items - after Item 8 on agenda
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Agenda approved with no other amendments
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TOPIC: Review action items
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Eric: No progress on 146
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Mark: No progress on 148 and 154
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Phil: Completed 155 and 157
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close action-155
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ACTION-155 Check that we have coverage of all non-WSDL assertions if we do not run the WSDL tests closed
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close action-157
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ACTION-157 Propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 closed
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TOPIC: URI specification
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Still pushing Oracle for reply
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TOPIC: Raised issues
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Issue 29 still raised - awaiting action 148
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TOPIC: Accepting proposals to close open issues
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Issue 30 - existing proposal:
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Phil: Proposed alternative resolution
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Phil: See:
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Mark: wording is slightly different - can we make it consistent e.g. "then port" should be "then other properties set on the endpoint"
16:14:45 [mphillip]
Eric: Agreed - we will revisit this issue when Phil has revised this proposal
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16:15:07 [mphillip]
Eric's revised proposal:
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RESOLUTION: ALL approve the updated proposal
16:17:41 [padams]
16:18:01 [mphillip]
Phil's link above is the revised proposal for issue 30
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No objections to revised proposal
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RESOLUTION: ALL approve Phil's changes
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Issue 32 -
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RESOLUTION: No objections to the proposed resolution to issue 32
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Issue 33 :
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RESOLUTION: All approve the proposed resolution to issue 33
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TOPIC: Accepting applied resolutions
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action: Phil to apply the resolutions to issue 30, 31, 32, and 33
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Created ACTION-159 - Apply the resolutions to issue 30, 31, 32, and 33 [on Phil Adams - due 2010-04-20].
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Resolution for Issue 22:
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All approve the application of the resolution for Issue 22
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RESOLUTION: Issue 22 can be closed
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Issue 28:
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Discussion on whether topicReplyToName is allow in the JNDI variant
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16:37:13 [mphillip]
Section 2.2.2 of binding spec confirms it is not valid for the jndi variant
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All approve the application of the resolution for Issue 28
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RESOLUTION: Issue 28 can be closed
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Topic: Test assertions
16:40:38 [eric]
Phil's email:
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Phil: Temporarily modified testcases.xml to remove WSDL tests and built a new testcases document to find out which assertions are not covered. Observations in email.
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Eric: Regarding proposal 5 - if using jndi how can you force the test to use a topic
16:49:24 [mphillip]
Phil: The object defined to jndi wouldhave to be defined to be a topic - don't think the test needs to go as far as checking the object type to enforce it being a topic
16:50:11 [mphillip]
Mark: Following that line of thought we *could* remove proposal 5 because everything we get out of jndi is a JMSDestination, but happy to leave it in
16:50:32 [mphillip]
Peter: Agreed - feels more secure to leave it in
16:51:30 [mphillip]
action: Phil to implement the test coverage proposals
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Created ACTION-160 - Implement the test coverage proposals [on Phil Adams - due 2010-04-20].
16:52:16 [mphillip]
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Eric: Will not be available next week - nor will Amy, so no TIBCO reps.... propose we skip next week's call and work on actions
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Eric: Need to think about how we get two different implementations that we can test together
16:54:32 [mphillip]
Phil: Do we need two implementations from different companies?
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Eric: Technically not, but it would be preferable
16:55:23 [mphillip]
Eric: The CXF project has an implementation, so that plus a vendor project would be sufficient
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Phil: Is anyone from the working group companies involved in CXF?
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Eric: Barrier to involvement with Apache projects should be fairly low
16:59:26 [mphillip]
Next call - usual time 27th April
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Attendees were padams, Peter_Easton, alewis, +1.708.246.aaaa, +0196270aabb, Mark, eric, Derek
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate mphillip
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