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16:00:19 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:00:20 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:20 Date: 01 April 2010
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16:00:23 HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:00:38 zakim, this will be HTML_WG
16:00:38 ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:56 +Plh
16:00:58 scribe: rubys
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16:01:19 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0033.html
16:01:20 Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-01: action items, decision policy update, issue status from Paul Cotton on 2010-03-30 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:01:35 +Michael_Cooper
16:01:39 + +1.415.595.aaaa
16:01:47 +[Microsoft]
16:01:50 +Rich
16:01:52 Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
16:01:52 +mjs; got it
16:01:53 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:54 +paulc; got it
16:01:56 +[Microsoft.a]
16:02:06 Zaki, who's on the phone?
16:02:10 Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:10 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Julian, Plh, Michael_Cooper, mjs, [Microsoft], Rich, [Microsoft.a]
16:02:12 [Microsoft] has paulc
16:02:14 +Sam
16:02:15 zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
16:02:15 +adrianba; got it
16:02:20 Zakim, call Mike
16:02:20 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:21 +Mike
16:02:41 Zakim, mute Mike
16:02:41 Mike should now be muted
16:02:47 Zakim, Mike is me
16:02:47 +MikeSmith; got it
16:03:06 Is the scribe ready?
16:03:22 yes, go for it! :-)
16:04:01 was that the markup police?
16:04:04 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0810.html
16:04:05 Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-01: action items, decision policy update, issue status from Paul Cotton on 2010-03-30 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:04:30 topic: 1. Issues Pending Review
16:04:36 paulc: none this week
16:04:45 topic: 2. ACTION items due by Thu Apr 1
16:04:57 paulc: chairs preprocessed the actions, so no are due today.
16:05:04 q+
16:05:07 topic: 3. ACTION items pending review
16:05:30 paulc: action item 176 was on Sam, and is done, and the chairs are waiting for a response
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16:05:39 q+
16:05:44 zakim, call janina
16:05:44 ok, janina; the call is being made
16:05:45 close action-176
16:05:45 ACTION-176 Respond to the TAG request on polyglot documents closed
16:05:45 +Janina
16:05:46 q-
16:05:48 ack next
16:06:29 q+
16:06:34 adrian: I volunteered on list, and maciej has responded. I would like to see if there are others interested in volunteering.
16:06:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/0015.html
16:06:38 Title: RE: Request for Volunteers: Polyglot spec from Adrian Bateman on 2010-04-01 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:06:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/0017.html
16:06:46 Title: Re: Request for Volunteers: Polyglot spec from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-04-01 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:07:38 paulc: are you looking for additional help, or determining if you need to coordinate
16:07:56 q-
16:08:18 adrian: the latter, if we get multiple volunteers I would rather collaborate up front than merge later
16:08:45 topic: 4. WG Decision Policy update (Maciej)
16:09:24 mjs: I started on making some updates, starting with simple and relatively uncontroversial items.
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16:09:54 +Laura
16:09:55 mjs: there are likely bigger changes coming up: watch for more changes, and comments are welcome at any time
16:10:08 mjs: any questions?
16:10:52 paulc: the chairs will continue to talk about the harder issues, you will continue to edit the document, and when the time comes we will issue a call for consensus.
16:11:02 topic: 5. Call For Consensus that close by Apr 1
16:11:09 paulc: none close today
16:11:19 topic: 6. Call for Proposals/Counter Proposals that close by Thu Apr 1
16:11:29 issue-4?
16:11:29 ISSUE-4 -- HTML Versioning and DOCTYPEs -- OPEN
16:11:29 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/4
16:11:30 Title: ISSUE-4 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:35 issue-84?
16:11:35 ISSUE-84 -- Should spec discourage use of "legacy" doctypes? -- OPEN
16:11:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84
16:11:36 Title: ISSUE-84 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:20 paulc: both proposals and counter proposals are in place
16:12:28 issue-81?
16:12:28 ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- OPEN
16:12:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
16:12:29 Title: ISSUE-81 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:04 paulc: the TAG is late, and the chairs are negotiating a new date for this item (we are still expecting a proposal)
16:13:08 q+ to say that I asked for an extension for -82 and -86
16:13:13 issue-82?
16:13:13 ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- OPEN
16:13:13 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
16:13:14 Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:13:28 q-
16:14:01 paulc: julian has requested a 3 week extension, and the chairs have not formally responded yet; we want to see progress on other issues before we answer
16:14:09 issue-86?
16:14:09 ISSUE-86 -- HTML5 relaxes Atom requirement on atom:id stability -- OPEN
16:14:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/86
16:14:10 Title: ISSUE-86 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:31 paulc: julian has requested a 2 week extension, and the chairs will likely deal with this by the next chair call
16:14:34 issue-89?
16:14:35 ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- OPEN
16:14:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
16:14:36 Title: ISSUE-89 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:43 issue-90?
16:14:43 ISSUE-90 -- Tighten the focus and allowable content in the figure element -- OPEN
16:14:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/90
16:14:44 Title: ISSUE-90 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:48 issue-91?
16:14:48 ISSUE-91 -- Re-focus and tighten definition of the aside element -- OPEN
16:14:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/91
16:14:49 Title: ISSUE-91 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:56 issue-92?
16:14:56 ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- OPEN
16:14:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
16:14:57 Title: ISSUE-92 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:03 issue-93?
16:15:03 ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- OPEN
16:15:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
16:15:04 Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:07 issue-94?
16:15:07 ISSUE-94 -- Split Web Application Core and UA specific elements into separate spec -- OPEN
16:15:07 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/94
16:15:08 Title: ISSUE-94 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:12 issue-95?
16:15:12 ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- OPEN
16:15:12 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:15:13 Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:20 issue-96?
16:15:20 ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- OPEN
16:15:20 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:15:21 Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:26 issue-97?
16:15:26 ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- OPEN
16:15:26 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:15:27 Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:35 issue-100?
16:15:35 ISSUE-100 -- Remove the srcdoc attribute from the HTML5 specification -- OPEN
16:15:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/100
16:15:36 Title: ISSUE-100 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:16:19 paulc: 15 calls for change proposals, and we received 12 out of 15. The chairs will continue negotiating.
16:16:47 paulc: maciej has updated the issue-status page
16:16:56 q+ to note http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0435.html is a change proposal submitted for issue 74, and wondering where this one is at on the chairs' radar
16:16:58 Title: Patial Change request proposal for Issue 74 Canvas accessibility from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2010-03-18 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:17:29 zakim, unmute me
16:17:29 MikeSmith should no longer be muted
16:17:36 paulc: the A11y TF has reviewed these, and may prepare counter-proposals
16:17:38 ack next
16:17:40 MikeSmith, you wanted to note http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0435.html is a change proposal submitted for issue 74, and wondering where this one is at on
16:17:41 Title: Patial Change request proposal for Issue 74 Canvas accessibility from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2010-03-18 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:17:42 ... the chairs' radar
16:18:34 I brought this to Chairs attention during the A11y TF call
16:18:38 mike: Richard has prepared a partial change proposal which affects 74, and mike believes that this is ready for consideration
16:19:12 paulc: the co-chairs will take this up; we make make a call for counter proposals as there has been essentially no discussion
16:19:34 topic: 8. Items that close next week (by Thu Apr 8)
16:19:39 issue-56?
16:19:39 ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- OPEN
16:19:39 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
16:19:40 Title: ISSUE-56 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:19:43 issue-99?
16:19:43 ISSUE-99 -- meta/@scheme missing -- RAISED
16:19:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/99
16:19:44 Title: ISSUE-99 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:19:46 issue-102?
16:19:46 ISSUE-102 -- Registration procedure for meta/@name -- RAISED
16:19:46 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/102
16:19:47 Title: ISSUE-102 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:19:49 issue-104?
16:19:50 ISSUE-104 -- Clarify that mime type sniffing is optional -- OPEN
16:19:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/104
16:19:52 zakim, [Microsoft.a] has franko
16:19:52 +franko; got it
16:19:53 Title: ISSUE-104 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:00 paulc: all close on April 5th (Monday)
16:20:13 topic: 9. New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
16:20:16 paulc: none
16:20:28 topic: 10. New Calls for Counter Proposals this Week
16:20:32 paulc: none
16:20:42 topic: 11. New Issues This Week
16:20:47 issue-105?
16:20:48 ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- RAISED
16:20:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:20:49 Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:51 issue-106?
16:20:51 ISSUE-106 -- Return the concept of Obsolete but conforming back to using obsolete and deprecated -- RAISED
16:20:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/106
16:20:52 Title: ISSUE-106 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:21:19 paulc: two new issues, 105 and 106
16:21:29 paulc: any other "escallations" pending?
16:22:30 mjs: there are a number of issues with TrackerRequest tag, some are not in the proper state; we will give the authors a chance to raise the issue if they access, or otherwise we will assist with this work
16:22:56 paulc: I note that 105 has an A11y aspect to it; Mike can you bring it to the attention of the A11y task force.
16:23:24 mike: Steven is the one that raised it, and I will follow up with Steven; he will need to be the one to take the lead
16:23:44 topic: 12. Scribe for next meeting
16:23:49 zakim, mute me
16:23:49 MikeSmith should now be muted
16:23:53 regrets for next week
16:24:01 q+ to note that Sam wanted to add to the agenda
16:24:09 mjs: I will chair next wee
16:24:18 q-
16:24:18 paulc: I will scribe
16:24:34 Any other business?
16:24:54 Sam is concerned about muttiple WGs using the same MIME type?
16:24:59 What is the other WG?
16:25:04 q+
16:25:10 ack plh
16:25:10 ack next
16:25:29 plh: xhtml2 is not fully closed yet, and we will let them do their updates
16:25:42 plh: they are working on the xhtml1.1 documents
16:26:05 plh: at the moment we would have two groups using the same mime type
16:26:42 paulc: did that answer the question as to what other working group is touching the mime type?
16:26:59 julian: yes, but it doesn't answer the question as to whether this appropriate
16:27:11 plh: we will need to bring this to the coordination group
16:27:50 plh: it would send a strong message if the HTML5 working group were to state that they are the only one who should use the text/html MIME type
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16:28:03 -Rich
16:28:26 julian: the W3C owns the mime type; from an architectural point of view it doesn't matter unless the XHTML wg updates the mime type
16:28:54 paulc: is there actually a chair in place for the XHTML2 working group?
16:28:59 plh: yes
16:29:18 paulc: perhaps we can invite the co-chair to a telecon?
16:29:30 plh: I'm willing to take an action item to contact the chairs
16:29:38 paulc: that's the best way to deal with this
16:30:02 action: plh to contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type
16:30:02 Created ACTION-178 - Contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2010-04-08].
16:30:15 - clarifying - a document with new info about text/html is irrelevant from a standards point of view unless the mime type registration is updated to point to it
16:30:20 paulc: does this deal with the agenda item?
16:30:21 rubys: yes
16:30:37 Adjounred at :30 after the hour.
16:30:37 paulc: adjourned
16:30:41 -Radhika_Roy
16:30:43 zakim, drop Mike
16:30:45 -[Microsoft]
16:30:45 -[Microsoft.a]
16:30:45 bye
16:30:47 MikeSmith is being disconnected
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16:30:50 -Plh
16:30:51 rssagent, generate minutes
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16:30:53 rrsagent,draft minutes
16:30:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/01-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
16:30:54 -Laura
16:30:56 -mjs
16:31:00 -Sam
16:31:02 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:31:04 Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Julian, Plh, Michael_Cooper, Rich, mjs, paulc, [Microsoft], Sam, adrianba, MikeSmith, Janina, Laura, franko
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