13:24:38 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:24:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-dap-irc 13:24:40 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:24:40 Zakim has joined #dap 13:24:42 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:24:42 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 36 minutes 13:24:43 Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference 13:24:43 Date: 31 March 2010 13:24:55 Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:25:03 Present: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:26:20 Regrets: Max_Froumentin, Marcin_Hanclik, Suresh_Chitturi, Marco_Marengo, John_Morris 13:27:22 Regrets+ Ilkka_Oksanen 13:27:36 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0237.html 13:38:00 Regrets+ Thomas_Roessler 13:57:41 alissa has joined #dap 13:58:08 Claes has joined #DAP 13:59:07 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:59:14 +alissa 13:59:19 wonsuk has joined #dap 14:00:12 +[IPcaller] 14:00:15 Dzung_Tran has joined #dap 14:00:20 Present+ Alissa_Cooper 14:00:21 Present+ Dzung_Tran 14:00:24 zakim, [IPcaller] is fjh 14:00:24 +fjh; got it 14:00:29 zakim, who is here? 14:00:29 On the phone I see alissa, fjh 14:00:31 On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, wonsuk, Claes, alissa, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, fjh, shepazu, arve, trackbot, dom 14:00:39 Present+ Claes_Nilsson 14:01:01 +??P13 14:01:24 +Dom 14:01:26 zakim, who is here? 14:01:26 On the phone I see alissa, fjh, ??P13, Dom 14:01:27 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:01:28 On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, wonsuk, Claes, alissa, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, fjh, shepazu, arve, trackbot, dom 14:01:36 zakim, P13 is robin 14:01:37 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'P13' 14:01:37 Zakim, ??P13 is me 14:01:38 zakim, call thomas-781 14:01:39 +darobin; got it 14:01:41 ok, tlr; the call is being made 14:01:45 +Thomas 14:01:50 LauraA has joined #dap 14:02:02 + +0777541aaaa 14:02:18 Present+ LauraA 14:02:30 zakim, who is here? 14:02:30 On the phone I see alissa, fjh, darobin, Dom, Thomas, +0777541aaaa 14:02:31 Zakim, +0777541aaaa is LauraA 14:02:31 On IRC I see LauraA, Dzung_Tran, wonsuk, Claes, alissa, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, fjh, shepazu, arve, trackbot, dom 14:02:33 +LauraA; got it 14:02:34 + +04610801aabb 14:02:36 Present+ Wonsuk_Lee 14:03:22 +04610801 is Claes 14:03:43 AnssiK has joined #dap 14:03:57 zakim, who is here? 14:03:57 On the phone I see alissa, fjh, darobin, Dom, Thomas, LauraA, +04610801aabb 14:03:59 On IRC I see AnssiK, LauraA, Dzung_Tran, wonsuk, Claes, alissa, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, fjh, shepazu, arve, trackbot, dom 14:04:16 + +035850486aacc 14:04:19 Zakim, aabb is Claes 14:04:19 +Claes; got it 14:04:24 zakim, aacc is AnssiK 14:04:24 +AnssiK; got it 14:04:40 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:04:45 I can do it 14:04:59 Scribe: AnssiK 14:05:02 ScribeNick: AnssiK 14:05:10 Topic: Adminstrative 14:05:47 +wonsuk 14:05:58 zakim, mute wonsuk 14:05:58 wonsuk should now be muted 14:06:00 darobin: Thomas wants to make an anno 14:06:35 s/anno/announcement/ 14:06:54 thomas notes call for participation for w3c workshop on privacy for web apis 14:07:07 tlr: lots of conversation around privacy and security topics in Geolocation WG, academic papers, TAG etc. 14:07:24 s/notes call/notes planned call/ 14:07:28 ... we should pull those conversations together in a one place, in a workshop in June-early July 14:07:57 ... if you're interested please attend, think about a position paper 14:08:07 ... dates to be confirmed soon 14:08:12 ... any questions? 14:08:27 ... feel free to send email to tlr around this as well 14:09:00 ... an email will be sent to relevant WGs once the details have been worked out 14:09:21 ... details will be known at least 8 weeks prior to the workshop 14:09:35 darobin: any questions? 14:09:45 -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mid2010-f2f-schedule/results Results of Questionnaire Finding dates for early summer 2010 Face-to-Face meeting 14:09:49 fh: mentions DAP f2f 14:09:54 Topic: F2F Timing 14:10:02 Results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mid2010-f2f-schedule/results 14:10:06 fh: takes a look at the results of the questionnaire 14:10:16 Week of July 12-16 in London 14:10:26 Week of July 19-23 in Helsinki 14:10:33 q+ 14:10:44 ack AnssiK 14:11:10 q+ to say people had two weeks to respond, proposes we should pick a date today 14:11:14 AnssiK: which weekdays? 14:11:15 ack dom 14:11:15 dom, you wanted to say people had two weeks to respond, proposes we should pick a date today 14:11:23 fjh: probably Tue-Thu 14:11:29 suggest Tue-Thur, midweek, regardless of date 14:11:50 tlr: we could merge the DAP f2f and privacy & security workshop? 14:12:10 s/merge/put together 14:12:10 ... or align them back to back 14:12:34 darobin: privacy workshop would be 1-2 days 14:12:40 ... rouch estimate at the moment 14:12:49 advantage of having privacy workshop in advance, feed into DAP 14:12:58 s/rouch/rough/ 14:13:00 could be advance with time between 14:13:06 ... Mon-Tue for privacy workshop continued with two days of DAP? 14:13:17 also, note that I'm not committing to colocating at this point 14:13:39 fjh: does not know whether we can wait until July for privacy workshop 14:14:01 yes 14:14:21 alissa: concurs that we should have a couple of weeks between the workshop and the F2F 14:14:22 alissa: agrees that couple of weeks between the workshop and the DAP f2f would make sense 14:14:25 suggest we need a few weeks between workshop and dap f2f, to give time to process 14:14:48 richt has joined #dap 14:14:55 + +0208849aadd 14:15:02 Present+ Richard_Tibbett 14:15:08 q+ 14:15:12 Zakim, +0208849aadd is richt 14:15:12 +richt; got it 14:15:14 fjh: most DAP people are in Europe so London seems like an ideal location for F2F 14:15:26 ack dom 14:15:26 ack dom 14:15:43 dom: not sure if we'll get many more answers to the questionnaire, the questionnaire is already closed :) 14:15:48 my preference is to decide today 14:15:51 ... we have 23 answers already 14:15:55 q+ 14:16:00 ... not sure if extending for one week is beneficial 14:16:08 + +91.80.67.82.aaee 14:16:09 ack fjh 14:16:21 ... we may not get many more answers anyway 14:16:42 Week of July 12-16 in London 14:16:46 fjh: I'd prefer we decide as soon as possible 14:16:54 q+ 14:17:03 ack alissa 14:17:25 (Tue to Thu would make July 13-15) 14:17:30 alissa: privacy workshop should be a week before that? 14:17:37 tlr: not quite sure if can commit to that 14:17:56 proposed RESOLUTION: 13-15 July in London for DAP F2F 14:20:16 proposed RESOLUTION: 13-15 July in London for DAP F2F, with potential change to 14-16 if privacy workshop that week 14:20:31 tlr: cannot commit on resolution at this point, as it depends on hosting, bandwidth, conflicts etc. 14:21:48 RESOLUTION: 13-15 July in London for DAP F2F, with potential change to 14-16 if privacy workshop that week 14:22:26 -Thomas 14:22:34 media annotation review 14:22:42 Topic: Media Annotation request for review 14:22:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2010Mar/0002.html 14:23:03 darobin: I've provided some feedback 14:23:15 Robin notes wg is updating doc, so wait with review until new draft 14:23:23 Topic: Minutes approval 14:23:40 fjh: at f2f we had 3 days of minutes 14:23:49 16 March, Day 1, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0154/minutes-2010-03-16.html 14:23:53 ACTION: Dom to check who can host London F2F 14:23:53 Created ACTION-151 - Check who can host London F2F [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-04-07]. 14:23:55 17 March, Day 2, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0169/minutes-2010-03-17.html 14:23:55 ... any objections for approval? 14:24:03 18 March, Day 3, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0180/minutes-2010-03-18.html 14:24:09 proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 16-18 March 2010 F2F approved. 14:24:15 Minutes approval 14:24:24 + +03491337aaff 14:24:50 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 16-18 March 2010 F2F approved. 14:25:03 Topic: Policy 14:25:22 Topic: Policy 14:25:34 fjh: a bunch of editorial updates have been made 14:25:56 danielcoloma has joined #dap 14:26:02 ... Laura and Paddy will do some updates next 14:26:13 Present+ Daniel_Coloma 14:26:20 ... added some references 14:26:47 ... the plan was to merge material from Nokia's contribution e.g. on trust domains 14:26:55 balaji has joined #dap 14:27:00 LauraA: not sure how to merge BONDI and Nokia contributions 14:27:31 ... asking for comments how to proceed with the merge 14:28:11 zakim, mute me 14:28:11 Dom should now be muted 14:28:12 Zakim, aaee is probably balaji 14:28:13 +balaji?; got it 14:28:13 fjh: I'll take care of Nokia contributions, LauraA (and Paddy?) will commit BONDI parts 14:28:35 Zakim ,aaff is danielcoloma 14:28:40 Zakim, aaff is danielcoloma 14:28:40 +danielcoloma; got it 14:28:41 ACTION-110? 14:28:41 ACTION-110 -- David Rogers to lead the merging of Bondi/Nokia policy docs -- due 2010-03-23 -- OPEN 14:28:41 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/110 14:28:42 s/I'll take care of/suggest adding 14:28:44 ... haven't yet looked at merging the contributions myself 14:30:59 action: laura to edit policy framework, reviewing BONDI material and editorial update 14:30:59 Created ACTION-152 - Edit policy framework, reviewing BONDI material and editorial update [on Laura Arribas - due 2010-04-07]. 14:31:00 I will continue updating the policy document, 14:31:15 after next week Laura will work on merging Nokia material into framework document 14:31:19 ...first based on BONDI input, and then merging Nokia's submission 14:31:27 Privacy Policy FPWD plans 14:31:32 Topic: Privacy Policy FPWD plans 14:31:35 Draft - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0164.html 14:31:55 fjh: Alissa and John are reviewing the material 14:32:20 ... we could write a book on the topic, so we should narrow down to API scope 14:32:39 alissa: I'll streamline the material, to make it aligned with the F2F discussions 14:32:59 ... I'll do it before the call next week 14:33:19 fjh: let's hold FPWD for alissa's contributions 14:33:27 ACTION: alissa to refine privacy requirements (with John) 14:33:27 Created ACTION-153 - Refine privacy requirements (with John) [on Alissa Cooper - due 2010-04-07]. 14:33:29 next week 14:33:39 Policy builder tool and policy example 14:33:42 Topic: Policy builder tool and policy example 14:33:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0156.html 14:34:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0158.html 14:34:16 Contacts API in Mozilla Labs 14:34:30 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0181.html 14:34:31 fjh: summarizes the above mails sent to the ML 14:34:55 Privacy by Design 14:35:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0209.html 14:35:16 fjh: concept of "privacy by design" is kind of a buzzword, EU is mandating something .. 14:35:30 ... thinks we're doing the right this, i.e. address what we can 14:35:37 alissa: thinks we're on the right track 14:36:03 -alissa 14:36:04 ... the concept of privacy by design has been there for a while 14:36:27 Topic: APIs: calendaring, notably I18N 14:36:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0189.html 14:37:29 darobin: I18N provided feedback to calendaring 14:37:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0192.html 14:37:47 + +1.202.637.aagg 14:38:14 darobin: contains comments on timezones 14:38:17 ... it 14:38:21 "working with time zones" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0207.html 14:38:21 ACTION-128? 14:38:21 ACTION-128 -- Robin Berjon to contact I18N about other potential calendaring issues -- due 2010-03-24 -- CLOSED 14:38:21 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/128 14:38:27 s/... it// 14:38:44 richt: a difficult program, may make time to organize 14:38:50 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/ba4134971003231219k16648f13gce7af76ce545aea0%2540mail.gmail.com Felix on resources on internationalized calendaring 14:39:07 ... not sure what the actions are to get to the resolution 14:39:43 alissa has joined #dap 14:40:26 robin notes that store internally in gregorian but have enumeration to indicate calendar in use 14:40:38 robin notes this was outcome of f2f 14:42:14 richt: scale attribute type of DOMString discussed 14:42:15 ack me 14:42:28 attribute would be "attribute DOMString? scale;" on CalendarEventProperties or TimezonedDate 14:43:11 richt: will look at committing latest changes soon 14:43:29 darobin: HTML5