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19:31:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
19:31:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
19:31:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
19:31:09 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
19:31:13 <Bob> zakim, who is on the phone?
19:31:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, +984999aaaa, Doug_Davis, Bob_Freund, [Microsoft], Tom_Rutt, +1.703.860.aabb
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19:31:41 <Zakim> +Wu_Chou
19:31:59 <Zakim> + +39.331.574.aacc
19:32:05 <Zakim> + +1.831.713.aadd
19:32:15 <asoldano> zakim, aacc is asoldano
19:32:15 <Zakim> +asoldano; got it
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19:32:23 <Zakim> +??P13
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19:33:39 <Bob> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/chair-tools/scribelist.html
19:34:32 <Bob> scribe: Wu
19:34:48 <Dug_> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Mar/0045.html
19:35:40 <Zakim> + +1.408.970.aaee
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19:36:26 <Wu> Minutes of March 16 is approved.
19:36:29 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
19:37:09 <Zakim> +Yves
19:38:03 <Wu> Bob: last call WD will happen today or tomorrow depending web master.
19:38:23 <Wu> Yves: it should happen quite soon
19:39:08 <Wu> Bob: F2F schedule logistic information
19:39:18 <Wu> Ram: it should come out very soon.
19:40:01 <Wu> Bob: new issues
19:41:25 <Yves> Topic: 9266
19:41:29 <Dug_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Mar/att-0039/WS-Eventing-Section_9_marked_LC-dug.doc
19:41:34 <Wu> issue 9266 
19:42:04 <Wu> Bob: issue 9266 is accepted
19:42:36 <Wu> Doug: it is a fairly minor edit to spec
19:44:39 <Dug_> Topic: 9320
19:44:42 <Dug_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9320
19:45:04 <Dug_> This specification does not mandate how events are serialized into
19:45:05 <Wu> Decision: issue 9266  is solved as proposed.
19:45:05 <Dug_> notification messages. Rather, within the Subscribe request message
19:45:07 <Dug_> a subscriber can specify a "Format" that indicates the set of rules
19:45:08 <Dug_> that MUST be followed when constructing notification messages.
19:45:17 <Bob> RESOLUTION: Issue 9266 resolved with the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Mar/att-0039/WS-Eventing-Section_9_marked_LC-dug.doc
19:45:55 <Wu> Bob: Issue 9266 is accepted as a new proposal
19:46:11 <Dug_> RESOLUTION: Issue 9320 resolved as proposed
19:46:21 <Dug_> Topic: 9321
19:46:23 <Dug_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9321
19:48:33 <Dug_> 9321 accepted as a new issue
19:48:33 <Wu> Bob: the issue is accepted as a new issue 9321
19:48:36 <Dug_> Topic: 9031
19:48:47 <Dug_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9031-Davis
19:48:51 <Dug_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9031
19:49:28 <Ram> q+
19:49:40 <Bob> ack ram
19:50:00 <Wu> Ram: did some research on it, and I am fine with Dug's proposal
19:50:17 <Dug_> RESOLUTION: issue 9031 resolved as proposed
19:51:07 <Wu> Bob: issue 9095
19:51:21 <Bob> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9095
19:51:38 <Dug_> q+
19:52:01 <Dug_> q-
19:52:14 <Wu> Ram: I am fine with Dug proposed 
19:52:26 <Wu> Ram: comment #1 is fine
19:52:51 <Wu> RESOLUTION: issue 9096 resolve with comment #1
19:53:06 <Wu> s/9096/9095
19:53:27 <Wu> RESOLUTION: issue 9095 resolve with comment #1
19:54:24 <Dug_> q+
19:54:38 <Bob> ack dug
19:56:02 <Dug_> eves, why not?
19:56:13 <Wu> Issue 8832: it will need more time and discuss in next meeting
19:56:25 <asoldano> lol
19:56:35 <Dug_> exactly
19:56:46 <Wu> Issue 8284 on WSDL version
19:57:13 <Wu> Bob: need time frame to resolve this issue
19:58:54 <Wu> Ram: we are expecting in mid May to get down to this issue
20:00:01 <Wu> Bob: how long for the WG to wait?
20:00:29 <Wu> Ram: it is about three month.
20:01:07 <Wu> Bob: Dependency on BP might affect our progress.
20:01:39 <Dug_> q+
20:01:39 <Wu> Gil: let's see what happens until what we progress
20:01:48 <Dug_> q-
20:02:41 <Ram> q+
20:02:49 <Ram> q-
20:02:55 <Wu> Bob: we discuss at F2F to find out which feature will be at risk 
20:03:12 <Wu> Bob: there is plenty things to do at F2F
20:04:32 <Wu> Bob: There is a remaining issue 9250 
20:05:12 <Wu> Bob: anybody needs more time to talk issue 9321
20:05:25 <Wu> Bob: there is a proposal for issue 9321
20:06:04 <gpilz> q+
20:06:30 <Wu> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9321
20:06:54 <Bob> acl gp
20:06:57 <Bob> ack gp
20:07:42 <Dug_> q+
20:07:56 <Wu> Gil: that does not particular bother me. If both are optional, then it is unclear.
20:08:20 <Wu> Gil: want to take a look of Dug's propoal
20:09:35 <Wu> Dug: we need to address this issue from Format
20:11:42 <Wu> Action: discuss over the mailing list and progress it to resolution
20:11:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - discuss
20:11:56 <Wu> Issue 9250
20:12:20 <gpilz> zakim, who is noisy?
20:12:31 <Zakim> gpilz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doug_Davis (73%), [Microsoft] (44%)
20:12:40 <Wu> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9250
20:13:10 <Ram> q+
20:13:13 <Dug_> q-
20:13:18 <Wu> Dug: I have slight preference to put things in MEX and well comments
20:13:40 <Bob> ack ram
20:13:43 <Wu> Ram: I am still researching this issue. 
20:14:29 <Dug_> q+
20:14:57 <Wu> Ram: SOAP version is part of binding
20:15:33 <Bob> ack dug
20:16:15 <Wu> Dug: it is more for the case that wsdl is not available
20:16:50 <gpilz> q+
20:16:58 <gpilz> q-
20:17:05 <Wu> Yves: if no wsdl availabe, then server decides
20:17:11 <gpilz> zakim, who is noisy?
20:17:24 <Zakim> gpilz, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doug_Davis (52%), ??P13 (4%), Yves (76%)
20:17:56 <Wu> Ram: I need more time to make progress on this issue
20:18:13 <Wu> Action: discuss this issue in the next call
20:18:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - discuss
20:19:52 <Wu> Ram: issue 9087 is a reasonable question raised. 
20:20:46 <Wu> Ram: we can say xml resouce with an xml representation
20:22:08 <Wu> Bob: if you have an empty resource, what will be the return of "GET"
20:23:39 <Dug_> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wst.html#InvalidRepresentation
20:23:40 <Wu> Bob: If the encoding and xml format is not acceptable, we define a fault. 
20:23:56 <Dug_> If an implementation detects that the presented representation is invalid for the target resource, then the implementation MUST generate a wst:InvalidRepresentation fault. 
20:25:01 <Dug_> so   "is invalid"  ->  "is invalid or incompatible"
20:25:05 <Dug_> ?
20:27:20 <Wu> Bob: resource defined in xml infoset, any thought about that?
20:29:20 <gpilz> q+
20:30:14 <Ram> q+
20:30:21 <Bob> ack gp
20:30:25 <Bob> ack ram
20:30:42 <Wu> Bob: what is a better approach: constrain the def of resource, or we manipulate, ...
20:30:42 <Zakim> - +984999aaaa
20:30:49 <Dug_> on the comment thing, people may just be forced to pass in the parent in some cases - not idea but it can work.
20:30:58 <Dug_> s/idea/ideal/
20:31:30 <Bob> Topic: 8273
20:31:34 <Wu> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8273
20:32:07 <Wu> Gil: issue 8273 can touch all specs.
20:32:09 <Bob> propasal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Mar/0046.html
20:34:59 <Wu> Gil: WS-E can discuss notification. You may check security at the subscription time, or check at per-notificaion basis.
20:35:57 <Katy> q+
20:36:11 <Bob> ack katy
20:36:11 <Wu> Ram: I will take a look at it.
20:37:23 <Wu> Katy: Event source integrity is important
20:37:53 <Wu> Gil: In addition, it needs authentication, etc. as well.
20:42:00 <Wu> Gil: endpoint verification - event sink also needs to be protected.
20:42:28 <Dug_> the concept of a useful security section is mind blowing!
20:43:33 <Wu> Bob: what is the plan?
20:44:35 <asoldano> bye
20:44:36 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:44:39 <Zakim> -Wu_Chou
20:44:40 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
20:44:41 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
20:44:42 <Zakim> - +1.408.970.aaee
20:44:43 <Zakim> - +1.831.713.aadd
20:44:44 <Zakim> -Yves
20:44:46 <Zakim> -??P13
20:44:50 <Zakim> -??P3
20:44:51 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
20:44:51 <Zakim> -asoldano
20:45:00 <Zakim> -Doug_Davis
20:45:38 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:45:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
20:47:04 <Zakim> - +1.703.860.aabb
20:47:05 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
20:47:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +984999aaaa, Doug_Davis, Bob_Freund, [Microsoft], Tom_Rutt, +1.703.860.aabb, Wu_Chou, +39.331.574.aacc, +1.831.713.aadd, asoldano, +1.408.970.aaee, Ashok_Malhotra,
20:47:10 <Zakim> ... Yves
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