IRC log of soap-jms on 2010-03-30

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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 30 March 2010
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+padams; got it
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TOPIC: 1) Appointment of the scribe
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Scribe: Mark
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Chair: Eric
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TOPIC: 2) Approval of prior meeting minutes
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All approve the minutes from previous meetings
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TOPIC: Review the agenda
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All approve the agenda with no amendments
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TOPIC: Review action items
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Mark: No changes now felt necessary for clarification on Topic support
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16:08:00 [mphillip]
close action-138
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ACTION-138 Raise the question of Topic support as an issue closed
16:09:55 [mphillip]
Eric: 146 - still following this up
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Mark: 147 - complete
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close action-147
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ACTION-147 Apply the resolution to issue 28 closed
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Mark: 148 - will respond to mailing list
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Phil: 150 done
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close action-150
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ACTION-150 Raise issue re: assertion 2014 and propose a resolution closed
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Eric: 152 is complete - bogus action item (spec changes already made)
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close action-152
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ACTION-152 Address use of the word "may" in the second bullet of the soapjms:contentType description within the SOAP/JMS binding spec closed
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Eric: 153
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16:13:41 [mphillip]
Eric: action is complete
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close action-153
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ACTION-153 Investigate feasibility of operating JMS in the cloud closed
16:14:07 [mphillip]
Mark: 154 still pending
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Phil: 155 still pending
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Eric: 156 - complete - see
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close action-156
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ACTION-156 Come uo with counter proposal for issue 31 (isFault) closed
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TOPIC: URI specification
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Still pending - per action to chase up Oracle
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TOPIC: Raised Issues
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16:16:14 [mphillip]
Marl: Will respond to mailing list - issue to remain "Raised"
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Issue 32:
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Eric: Proposal is to remove Protocol-2015 assertion for the 3 reasons given in the link
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RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 32
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Issue 33:
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Phil: Aim is to clean up assertion 2014:;%20charset=utf-8#Protocol-2014
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RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 33
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TOPIC: Accepting proposals to close open issues
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Eric: Skipping issue 27 - updating the URI which should be straightforward
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Mark: Issue 30
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Mark: Should we mention the URI in the WSDL 2.0 section which aims to clarify precedence rules
16:29:00 [eric];%20charset=utf-8#wsdl-11-example
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Amy: Do not agree that this proposal clarifies the spec - may make it more murky
16:30:22 [mphillip]
Eric: From the example linked above, a property could be put in the URI (line 41)
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Eric: Looking at the WSDL2 example - properties could go in line 19 (URI)
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Eric: or the endpoint (outside the URI)
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Amy: The attributes of Endpoint take precedence of it's child elements
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Eric: Proposal could be stronger if it says "The address attribute of the endpoint wins over endpoint elements, which wins over service".... etc
16:37:32 [mphillip]
Peter: This is a fairly pathological case
16:38:56 [mphillip]
Amy: Agreed extensibility in WSDL doesn't normally include the contents - we are looking at a case where properties in an attribute are different from the content of the element which is unlikely
16:39:23 [eric]
(eric getting virtual feathers ready....)
16:46:24 [mphillip]
Amy: WSDL 2.0 establishes clear precedence rules (unlike WSDL 1.1) so if we specify additional behaviour in SOAP/JMS we will be effectively modifying the WSDL2.0 spec.
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Phil: So by saying "Endpoint wins over service" - does that include the address attribute overriding child extensibility elements?
16:47:54 [mphillip]
Amy: No, you wouldn't expect child elements to override the attributes - this is what Peter called the pathalogical case
16:49:08 [mphillip]
Eric: We could go back to section 3.4.4 and say that the behaviour would be undefined if elements in the Port override properties in the address attribute
16:51:05 [mphillip]
Phil: Does anyone have a problem that properties in the address attribute should *NOT* override child elements
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16:51:46 [mphillip]
Phil: Could be clearer in 3.4.4 about which URI we mean - i.e. the address attribute of the Port element
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action: Phil to propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30
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Created ACTION-157 - Propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 [on Phil Adams - due 2010-04-06].
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Eric: Out of time
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16:55:02 [mphillip]
Eric: The high priority item for us in moving to PR is how we test for interoperability
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