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15:58:49 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:58:49 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
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16:04:41 <mphillip> TOPIC: 1) Appointment of the scribe
16:04:49 <mphillip> Scribe: Mark
16:04:52 <mphillip> Chair: Eric
16:05:06 <mphillip> TOPIC: 2) Approval of prior meeting minutes
16:05:21 <mphillip> All approve the minutes from previous meetings 
16:05:31 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review the agenda
16:06:03 <mphillip> All approve the agenda with no amendments
16:07:09 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review action items
16:07:55 <mphillip> Mark: No changes now felt necessary for clarification on Topic support
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16:08:00 <mphillip> close action-138
16:08:00 <trackbot> ACTION-138 Raise the question of Topic support as an issue closed
16:09:55 <mphillip> Eric: 146 - still following this up 
16:10:13 <mphillip> Mark: 147 - complete
16:10:17 <mphillip> close action-147
16:10:17 <trackbot> ACTION-147 Apply the resolution to issue 28 closed
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16:11:40 <mphillip> Mark: 148 - will respond to mailing list
16:11:51 <mphillip> Phil: 150 done 
16:11:58 <mphillip> close action-150
16:12:00 <trackbot> ACTION-150 Raise issue re: assertion 2014 and propose a resolution closed
16:12:28 <eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Mar/0026.html
16:12:45 <mphillip> Eric: 152 is complete - bogus action item (spec changes already made)
16:12:51 <mphillip> close action-152
16:12:51 <trackbot> ACTION-152 Address use of the word "may" in the second bullet of the soapjms:contentType description within the SOAP/JMS binding spec closed
16:13:05 <mphillip> Eric: 153 
16:13:05 <mphillip>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Mar/0027.html
16:13:41 <mphillip> Eric: action is complete 
16:13:46 <mphillip> close action-153
16:13:46 <trackbot> ACTION-153 Investigate feasibility of operating JMS in the cloud closed
16:14:07 <mphillip> Mark: 154 still pending
16:14:23 <mphillip> Phil: 155 still pending
16:14:40 <mphillip> Eric: 156 - complete - see   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Mar/0024.html
16:14:49 <mphillip> close action-156
16:14:49 <trackbot> ACTION-156 Come uo with counter proposal for issue 31 (isFault) closed
16:15:21 <mphillip> TOPIC: URI specification 
16:15:34 <mphillip> Still pending - per action to chase up Oracle
16:15:40 <mphillip> TOPIC: Raised Issues
16:15:49 <mphillip> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/29
16:16:14 <mphillip> Marl: Will respond to mailing list - issue to remain "Raised"
16:16:31 <mphillip> Issue 32: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/32
16:18:43 <mphillip> Eric: Proposal is to remove Protocol-2015 assertion for the 3 reasons given in the link
16:20:05 <mphillip> RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 32
16:20:30 <mphillip> Issue 33: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/33
16:21:24 <mphillip> Phil: Aim is to clean up assertion 2014: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Protocol-2014
16:24:35 <mphillip> RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 33
16:25:19 <mphillip> TOPIC: Accepting proposals to close open issues
16:25:44 <mphillip> Eric: Skipping issue 27 - updating the URI which should be straightforward
16:27:03 <mphillip> Mark: Issue 30 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/30
16:28:39 <mphillip> Mark: Should we mention the URI in the WSDL 2.0 section which aims to clarify precedence rules
16:29:00 <eric> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl-11-example
16:29:37 <mphillip> Amy: Do not agree that this proposal clarifies the spec - may make it more murky
16:30:22 <mphillip> Eric: From the example linked above, a property could be put in the URI (line 41)
16:31:25 <mphillip> Eric: Looking at the WSDL2 example - properties could go in line 19 (URI)
16:32:01 <mphillip> Eric: or the endpoint (outside the URI)
16:32:54 <mphillip> Amy: The attributes of Endpoint take precedence of it's child elements
16:34:07 <mphillip> Eric: Proposal could be stronger if it says "The address attribute of the endpoint wins over endpoint elements, which wins over service".... etc
16:37:32 <mphillip> Peter: This is a fairly pathological case 
16:38:56 <mphillip> Amy: Agreed extensibility in WSDL doesn't normally include the contents - we are looking at a case where properties in an attribute are different from the content of the element which is unlikely
16:39:23 <eric> (eric getting virtual feathers ready....)
16:46:24 <mphillip> Amy: WSDL 2.0 establishes clear precedence rules (unlike WSDL 1.1) so if we specify additional behaviour in SOAP/JMS we will be effectively modifying the WSDL2.0 spec.
16:47:15 <mphillip> Phil: So by saying "Endpoint wins over service" - does that include the address attribute overriding child extensibility elements?
16:47:54 <mphillip> Amy: No, you wouldn't expect child elements to override the attributes - this is what Peter called the pathalogical case
16:49:08 <mphillip> Eric: We could go back to section 3.4.4 and say that the behaviour would be undefined if elements in the Port override properties in the address attribute
16:51:05 <mphillip> Phil: Does anyone have a problem that properties in the address attribute should *NOT* override child elements
16:51:09 <mphillip> ?
16:51:46 <mphillip> Phil: Could be clearer in 3.4.4 about which URI we mean - i.e. the address attribute of the Port element
16:52:57 <mphillip> action: Phil to propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30
16:52:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 [on Phil Adams - due 2010-04-06].
16:54:23 <mphillip> Eric: Out of time
16:54:27 <mphillip> TOPIC: AOB
16:55:02 <mphillip> Eric: The high priority item for us in moving to PR is how we test for interoperability
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