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13:21:29 <Zakim> Team_(forms)13:20Z has now started
13:21:36 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
13:21:46 <Steven> Meeting: Forms FtF, Cambridge, Ma, USA; Day 3
13:22:01 <Steven> Zakim, [Ibm has Steven, Nick, Leigh, Erik, Charlie
13:22:01 <Zakim> +Steven, Nick, Leigh, Erik, Charlie; got it
13:22:39 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
13:22:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
13:22:43 <Steven> Chair: Leigh, Steven
13:22:50 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
13:23:49 <Steven> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2010_03_24_Agenda
13:24:00 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
13:24:05 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:24:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
13:29:44 <klotz> Scribenick: klotz
13:33:17 <John_Boyer> Charlie briefly demonstrates wiring custom dojo control to the XForms model, the specific control providing data formatting of input numbers
13:33:42 <John_Boyer> Not yet connecting MIPs and UI events to the control but working on the interfaces
13:33:48 <John_Boyer> transitioning to JSON
13:35:13 <John_Boyer> numbers, strings, booleans and structure.  name-value pairs
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13:42:29 <wiecha> {
13:42:29 <wiecha>           "LoanRecord" : { 
13:42:29 <wiecha>               "Currencies" : {
13:42:30 <wiecha>                   "Currency" : ["USD", "CDN", "Euro"]
13:42:30 <wiecha>               },
13:42:30 <wiecha>               "StartDate" : "2008-08-08", 
13:42:32 <wiecha>               "Borrower" : { 
13:42:34 <wiecha>                   "Name" : "John Q. Public", 
13:42:36 <wiecha>                   "Addr" : "123 Main St Tinyville" 
13:42:38 <wiecha>               },             
13:42:40 <wiecha>               "Principal" : "1000",
13:42:42 <wiecha>               "Currency" : "USD",
13:42:44 <wiecha>               "Duration" : "12",
13:42:46 <wiecha>               "InterestRate" : "5",
13:42:48 <wiecha>               "Monthly-Payment" : "0",
13:42:50 <wiecha>               "TotalPayout" : "0"
13:42:52 <wiecha>               }
13:42:54 <wiecha>           }
13:45:01 <klotz> how about the JSON in this Paris Hilton search example? http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/
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13:46:13 <nick> "Currencies" : {
13:46:13 <nick>         "Currency" : ["USD", "CDN", "Euro"],
13:46:13 <nick> 		"Currency" : ["British pound" ]
13:46:13 <nick>     },
13:46:25 <nick> ambiguous with
13:46:32 <nick> "Currencies" : {
13:46:33 <nick>         "Currency" : ["USD", "CDN", "Euro", "British pound"]
13:46:33 <nick>     },
13:46:44 <nick> in charlies XML mapping
13:49:04 <nick> In picoForms you get the 'same' XML as with Charlie
13:49:37 <nick> <json>
13:49:37 <nick> 	<LoanRecord>
13:49:37 <nick> 		<Currencies>
13:49:37 <nick> 			<Currency type="array">USD</Currency>
13:49:37 <nick> 			<Currency type="array">CDN</Currency>
13:49:38 <nick> 			<Currency type="array">Euro</Currency>
13:49:40 <nick> 		</Currencies>
13:49:42 <nick> 		<StartDate>2008-08-08</StartDate>
13:49:44 <nick> 		<Borrower>
13:49:46 <nick> 			<Name>John Q. Public</Name>
13:49:48 <nick> 			<Addr>123 MainSt Tinyville</Addr>
13:49:50 <nick> 		</Borrower>
13:49:52 <nick> 		<Principal>1000</Principal>
13:49:54 <nick> 		<Currency>USD</Currency>
13:49:56 <nick> 		<Duration>12</Duration>
13:49:58 <nick> 		<InterestRate>5</InterestRate>
13:50:00 <nick> 		<Monthly-Payment>0</Monthly-Payment>
13:50:02 <nick> 		<TotalPayout>0</TotalPayout>
13:50:04 <nick> 	</LoanRecord>
13:50:07 <nick> </json>
13:50:16 <ebruchez> http://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/
13:50:59 <John_Boyer> Charlie, could you show us the select1 for the currency/currencies
13:53:01 <Steeeven> Leigh, did you mean this?
13:53:05 <Steeeven> {"responseData": {
13:53:05 <Steeeven>  "results": [
13:53:05 <Steeeven>   {
13:53:05 <Steeeven>    "GsearchResultClass": "GwebSearch",
13:53:05 <Steeeven>    "unescapedUrl": "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton",
13:53:06 <Steeeven>    "url": "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton",
13:53:08 <Steeeven>    "visibleUrl": "en.wikipedia.org",
13:53:10 <Steeeven>    "cacheUrl": "http://www.google.com/search?q\u003dcache:TwrPfhd22hYJ:en.wikipedia.org",
13:53:12 <Steeeven>    "title": "\u003cb\u003eParis Hilton\u003c/b\u003e - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia",
13:53:14 <Steeeven>    "titleNoFormatting": "Paris Hilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia",
13:53:16 <Steeeven>    "content": "\[1\] In 2006, she released her debut album..."
13:53:18 <Steeeven>   },
13:53:20 <Steeeven>   {
13:53:22 <Steeeven>    "GsearchResultClass": "GwebSearch",
13:53:24 <Steeeven>    "unescapedUrl": "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385296/",
13:53:26 <Steeeven>    "url": "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385296/",
13:53:28 <Steeeven>    "visibleUrl": "www.imdb.com",
13:53:30 <Steeeven>    "cacheUrl": "http://www.google.com/search?q\u003dcache:1i34KkqnsooJ:www.imdb.com",
13:53:32 <Steeeven>    "title": "\u003cb\u003eParis Hilton\u003c/b\u003e",
13:53:34 <Steeeven>    "titleNoFormatting": "Paris Hilton",
13:53:36 <Steeeven>    "content": "Self: Zoolander. Socialite \u003cb\u003eParis Hilton\u003c/b\u003e..."
13:53:38 <Steeeven>   },
13:53:40 <Steeeven>   ...
13:53:42 <Steeeven>  ],
13:53:44 <Steeeven>  "cursor": {
13:53:46 <Steeeven>   "pages": [
13:53:48 <Steeeven>    { "start": "0", "label": 1 },
13:53:50 <Steeeven>    { "start": "4", "label": 2 },
13:53:52 <Steeeven>    { "start": "8", "label": 3 },
13:53:54 <Steeeven>    { "start": "12","label": 4 }
13:53:56 <Steeeven>   ],
13:53:58 <Steeeven>   "estimatedResultCount": "59600000",
13:54:00 <Steeeven>   "currentPageIndex": 0,
13:54:02 <Steeeven>   "moreResultsUrl": "http://www.google.com/search?oe\u003dutf8\u0026ie\u003dutf8..."
13:54:04 <Steeeven>  }
13:54:06 <Steeeven> }
13:54:08 <Steeeven> , "responseDetails": null, "responseStatus": 200}
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14:03:34 <unl> zakim, code?
14:03:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), unl
14:04:58 <Zakim> +unl
14:06:49 <klotz> http://jettison.codehaus.org/
14:07:05 <Steeeven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:07:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-minutes.html Steeeven
14:07:11 <klotz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/559296/java-implementation-of-json-to-xml-conversion
14:07:30 <Steeeven> http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-forms-minutes.html
14:10:47 <unl> related: http://jackson.codehaus.org/
14:12:59 <John_Boyer> <script src="some url"/>
14:13:21 <John_Boyer> some url?mycallback=foo
14:13:35 <John_Boyer> foo(some json)
14:14:17 <ebruchez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#JSONP
14:18:17 <klotz> http://www.agencexml.com/jsoncallback/wikipediasearch.xml
14:21:21 <klotz> RESOLVED: The primary use case for JSON with XForms 1.2 is to support interaction with existing data-centric JSON services, not for full-fidelity document-centric XML import/export.
14:24:03 <nick> http://pastie.org/888281
14:37:36 <klotz> ACTION: Charlie Wiecha to research common use cases to support with named JSON conventions and a straw-man for dealing with transforms.
14:37:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Charlie
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14:42:57 <ebruchez> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/559296/java-implementation-of-json-to-xml-conversion
14:45:33 <klotz> http://www.bramstein.com/projects/xsltjson/
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14:51:28 <klotz> Morning minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0037.html
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15:37:27 <nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/xpath20/index-all.html
15:41:41 <Steeeven> blog entry link?
15:46:51 <Steeeven> trackbot, help
15:46:51 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:47:32 <Steeeven> trackbot, status
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16:06:28 <nick> q+
16:08:49 <nick> ack, me
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16:09:09 <nick> q?
16:09:14 <nick> q-
16:09:20 <nick> q?
16:11:02 <John_Boyer> it seems contradictory for a form author to say a node is not relevant and also "I *must* show this to the user styled as disabled"  If the data *must* be shown to the user, then it can't be non-relevant.
16:12:17 <John_Boyer> we may want it to be the case that a layout doesn't change due to some data being non-relevant, but it should be possible to achieve that effect at the presentation layer
16:41:43 <John_Boyer> By request, here is my blog link: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
16:43:18 <John_Boyer> Actually, the request was specifically related to the most recent post: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/JohnBoyer/entry/creating_a_dynamic_questionnaire_template_with_a_lotus_form6
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17:09:28 <Zakim> Team_(forms)13:20Z has ended
17:09:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Nick, Leigh, Erik, Charlie, John_Boyer, unl
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18:43:28 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
18:43:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
18:44:17 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
18:45:05 <Steeeven> zakim, who is here?
18:45:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBMCambridge], John_Boyer
18:45:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, Steeeven, wiecha, nick, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, Zakim, trackbot
18:45:23 <Steeeven> zakim, [ibm has Leigh, Nick, Erik, Charlie, Steven
18:45:23 <Zakim> +Leigh, Nick, Erik, Charlie, Steven; got it
20:08:59 <Steeeven> "Typically, non-relevant user interface content is not presented, or it may be styled as disabled. "
20:09:26 <Steeeven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/#model-prop-relevant
20:13:10 <klotz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_and_Time
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20:28:22 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
20:28:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
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20:35:59 <klotz> <table>
20:35:59 <klotz> <tr><th>HTML4</th><th>control present, visible, unavailable</th><th>get events</th><th>prunes</th></tr>
20:35:59 <klotz> <tr><td>ERIK</td><td>control absent</td><td>no events</td><td>prune</td></tr>
20:35:59 <klotz> <tr><td>XF11</td><td>present, maybe visible, unavailable</td><td>events but no handlers</td><td>prune</td></tr>
20:35:59 <klotz> </table>
20:54:40 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
20:54:41 <Zakim> Team_(forms)13:20Z has ended
20:54:43 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Boyer, Leigh, Nick, Erik, Charlie, Steven
20:55:47 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
20:55:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
20:55:52 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
20:55:52 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-actions.rdf :
20:55:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Charlie Wiecha to research common use cases to support with named JSON conventions and a straw-man for dealing with transforms. [1]
20:55:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/26-forms-irc#T14-37-36
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