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13:47:12 <manu> manu has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telecon. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html (manu)
13:47:22 <manu> trackbot, start meeting
13:47:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:47:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
13:47:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
13:47:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:47:27 <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2010
13:47:43 <manu> Chair: Manu Sporny
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13:57:03 <manu> Present: Jeff, Manu
13:58:53 <manu> Present+ Abhijit
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14:00:21 <manu> Present+ Knud
14:00:31 <Knud> hi
14:01:08 <manu> zakim, code?
14:01:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu
14:01:27 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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14:01:34 <Zakim> + +03539149aaaa
14:01:36 <Zakim> +??P6
14:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.415.524.aabb
14:01:52 <manu> zakim, I am ??P6
14:01:52 <Zakim> +manu; got it
14:02:21 <jeffs> zakim, I am aabb
14:02:21 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it
14:02:33 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:02:42 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
14:02:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:03:41 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
14:03:53 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +03539149aaaa (40%), manu (100%), jeffs (3%)
14:04:22 <Knud> better?
14:04:35 <Knud> zakim mute me
14:04:40 <manu> zakim, mute knud
14:04:40 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to knud
14:04:45 <manu> zakim, mute aaaa
14:04:45 <Zakim> +03539149aaaa should now be muted
14:04:54 <manu> zakim, aaaa is knud
14:04:54 <Zakim> +knud; got it
14:04:55 <Knud> oh, that's me?
14:07:22 <manu> zakim, pick a victim
14:07:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose manu
14:07:26 <manu> zakim, pick a victim
14:07:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose knud (muted)
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14:08:19 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD
14:08:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01].
14:08:57 <manu> ACTION: Jeff to prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010
14:08:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2010-04-01].
14:10:00 <Zakim> + +49.631.205.7.aacc
14:10:26 <Benjamin> hi I am sorry for being so late
14:10:28 <Knud> zakim, aacc is Benjamin
14:10:28 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
14:11:44 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD.
14:11:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01].
14:12:40 <Benjamin> scribenick: Benjamin
14:13:24 <manu> ACTION: Benjamin to prepare RDFa API document for FPWD
14:13:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Prepare RDFa API document for FPWD [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2010-04-01].
14:14:24 <manu> April 1st  - Editors have a FPWD Editors Draft document published via
14:14:26 <manu>              a W3C URL (though cvs.w3.org)
14:14:28 <manu> April 8th  - Any Editors Draft corrections are made
14:14:30 <manu> April 15th - Notification to W3C Pubs to publish RDFa WG FPWDs
14:14:31 <manu> April 22nd - Slack time
14:14:33 <Benjamin> TOPIC: Action Items
14:15:12 <Benjamin> manu: create first drafts of FPWD drafts
14:15:35 <Benjamin> ... three documetns by April, 15
14:15:39 <jeffs> +1 on timeline & tasks
14:16:04 <Benjamin> ... any changes on the agenda?
14:16:22 <manu> http://doodle.com/uqe9pxru7eu8n7d8
14:17:43 <Benjamin> ... The proposals of the doodle call are going to be part of the RDFa specification
14:18:01 <jeffs> I can live with the external documents part, and I am very hesitant
14:18:33 <Benjamin> ... Topby and jee do not agree with having an external document
14:18:41 <jeffs> s/jee/jeffs
14:19:09 <Benjamin> s/Topby/Toby
14:19:54 <Benjamin> ... it's more a hesitation than disagreement
14:21:20 <jeffs> expressed my concerns about having external document(s) and liking of namespace approach
14:22:17 <Benjamin> ... we discussed very much on this concern with having this external document. Let's see what the community responds.
14:23:25 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/
14:23:48 <Benjamin> ... Ivan updated the document above
14:24:16 <Benjamin> ... a similar version is in the wiki
14:25:15 <jeffs> I see no consensus on the 'combination of prefixes and keywords into a single "list of mappings" concept' proposal
14:25:22 <Benjamin> ... we should keep prfixes and keywords in separate documents
14:25:28 <Knud> TOPIC: @token proposal
14:26:36 <Benjamin> ... token proposal is not going into the rdfa 1.1 document
14:27:16 <Benjamin> TOPIC: @prefix proposal 
14:28:06 <manu> <div vocab="http://example.org/vocab#"><span property="foo">prop</span></div>
14:28:30 <manu> <> http://example.org/vocab#foo "prop" .
14:28:59 <Knud> vocab is good
14:29:01 <jeffs> vocab is simple and expressive
14:29:10 <Benjamin> Shane: I really like vocab
14:30:14 <Benjamin> manu: vocab is going to be in RDFa 1.1 spec
14:31:01 <jeffs> +1 to keeping sep until more discussion
14:31:46 <Benjamin> ... prefixes and keywords are kept separate
14:32:36 <Benjamin> ShaneM: has no objections to keep them separate
14:33:08 <manu> RDFa 1.1 should have a mechanism to express mappings that does not depend on xmlns: (for example: @token, @vocab or @map)
14:33:24 <Benjamin> manu: We haven't really talked about this
14:34:21 <manu> One option: prefix="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../" token="Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person"
14:35:03 <manu> Second option: prefix="foaf: http://xmlns.com/.../" <--- prefixes can only be set, tokens are only set in RDFa Profile documents.
14:35:22 <Benjamin> ... explains options for defining prefixes and tokens
14:35:44 <manu> Third option: map="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../; Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person;"
14:36:35 <jeffs> I do not think we have talked about this enough to do much of anything "on paper"
14:37:36 <jeffs> the previous stuff has an effect upon this issue
14:38:48 <Benjamin> could you please summarize this for the scribe :)
14:39:15 <Zakim> +??P7
14:39:28 <Benjamin> ... Mapping mechanisms are not going into the core document
14:40:32 <ShaneM>  /msg manu    Characters in the "reserved" set are not reserved in all contexts.    The set of characters actually reserved within any given URI    component is defined by that component. In general, a character is    reserved if the semantics of the URI changes if the character is    replaced with its escaped US-ASCII encoding.  
14:40:34 <ShaneM> oops
14:41:13 <Benjamin> ... We have a tight schedule
14:41:28 <Knud> bye
14:41:36 <Zakim> -knud
14:41:40 <Zakim> -jeffs
14:43:25 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes
14:43:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin
14:44:00 <Zakim> -Benjamin
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15:21:09 <Zakim> -manu
15:21:12 <Zakim> -??P7
15:21:14 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
15:21:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +03539149aaaa, +1.415.524.aabb, manu, jeffs, ShaneM, knud, +49.631.205.7.aacc, Benjamin
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16:11:24 <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
16:11:30 <manu> rrsagent, bye
16:11:30 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-actions.rdf :
16:11:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD [1]
16:11:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-irc#T14-08-19
16:11:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeff to prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 [2]
16:11:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-irc#T14-08-57
16:11:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. [3]
16:11:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-irc#T14-11-44
16:11:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Benjamin to prepare RDFa API document for FPWD [4]
16:11:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-irc#T14-13-24
16:11:32 <manu> zakim, bye
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16:11:35 <manu> trackbot, bye
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