12:59:52 RRSAgent has joined #wam 12:59:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-irc 13:00:05 RRSAgent, make log public 13:00:06 ScribeNick: ArtB 13:00:08 Scribe: Art 13:00:09 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0857.html 13:00:11 Chair: Art 13:00:13 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 13:00:14 Date: 18 March 2010 13:00:16 Regrets: Robin, Frederick 13:03:04 Marcos has joined #wam 13:03:36 + +1.479.524.aaaa 13:03:46 shepazu has joined #wam 13:04:16 Present: Art, Marcos 13:04:31 Topic: Review and tweak agenda 13:04:38 AB: the draft agenda was posted on March 17 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0857.html ). I expect a relatively short meeting given Robin isn't here today (he is Chairing the DAP f2f meeting now). We will skip the the WARP topic. Any change requests for the agenda? 13:04:58 Topic: Announcements 13:05:03 AB: No call on March 25; next call is April 1. Any other short announcements? 13:05:20 Topic: P&C spec: element and dir attribute 13:05:28 AB: Marcos, what's the status of the and dir attribute changes you proposed ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0715.html )? 13:05:50 MC: I am done with the normative changes 13:05:58 ... still need to have examples checked 13:06:07 ... Richard Ishida provided one example 13:06:23 ... would be good to get review of the other examples 13:06:36 ... But even if they are wrong, it wouldn't prevent publishing 13:06:54 ... We need to talk to the Team about whether these changes will require us to go back to LC 13:07:04 AB: agree we need to have that conversation 13:07:28 AB: seems like we should get some implementor feedback before proceeding 13:07:40 ... that is on the new bidi text 13:07:59 ... but not clear who can give us the feedback we need 13:08:17 MC: yes, agree it would be good 13:10:27 AB: I think we need to show the bidi test are "testable" 13:10:54 MC: yes, think that's OK; need to show it can be implemented 13:11:18 ... we could have some screen shots that show for example the name element with R2L text 13:12:06 AB: I think Scott and Wookie is probably the closest we have to an Implementor 13:14:06 ACTION: barstow follow up with Scott re the element and dir element and Wookie 13:14:06 Created ACTION-509 - Follow up with Scott re the element and dir element and Wookie [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-03-25]. 13:16:44 Topic: Widget Interface spec: status and next steps 13:16:54 AB: we haven't talked about the TWI spec ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/ ) 13:17:19 MC: need to resolve the security issues around openURL method 13:17:41 AB: perhaps we should create an issue 13:17:45 MC: yes, that's good 13:18:06 tlr has joined #wam 13:18:17 ISSUE: need to flesh out the security considerations for the openURL method in the Widget Interface spec 13:18:17 Created ISSUE-116 - Need to flesh out the security considerations for the openURL method in the Widget Interface spec ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/116/edit . 13:18:44 MC: not sure exactly what we want to say 13:19:05 ... I think the TWI spec is 100% implementable 13:19:12 ... at least for the API 13:19:32 AB: the text for sec consids would be non-normative 13:19:58 MC: need to get more feedback from Implementors 13:20:11 ... Wookie hasn't implemented 100% (yet) 13:20:41 ... BONDI has done some work but it doesn't implement the Widget interface 13:21:12 ... need to do some followups re TWI implementation 13:21:32 ... Cyril and GPAC is another Implementor 13:21:53 AB: is there an open issue regarding the and dir changes made to the P&C spec? 13:22:30 MC: unicode has text re the markers and says not to include them 13:23:08 ... some chars have directional indicators 13:23:50 ... I haven't received much useful info on what to do; think we should just return the raw string 13:23:58 AB: is that what is spec'ed now? 13:24:09 MC: yes, just returns the raw string 13:24:36 ... could also return string plus direction plus lang 13:24:42 ... but that's a lot of work 13:25:43 AB: my gut feel is we should stay with what we have defined and only change it if Implementors and/or Developers complain 13:25:48 MC: agree 13:26:04 + +47.23.69.aabb 13:26:13 Present+ Arve 13:27:25 - +1.479.524.aaaa 13:27:30 Topic: URI Scheme spec 13:27:38 AB: I haven't seen any new information about our scheme registration request. Robin needs to respond to Julian's comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0713.html ) 13:27:48 ACTION: Robin respond to Julian's comment re widget: URI scheme registration ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0713.html ) 13:27:48 Created ACTION-510 - Respond to Julian's comment re widget: URI scheme registration ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0713.html ) [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-03-25]. 13:28:10 Topic: View Modes Media Feature spec 13:28:21 AB: our request to the CSS WG for comments on the pre-LC version of the VMMF spec ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf ) resulted in several responses. 13:28:33 AB: comments from the WG ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0804.html ) 13:28:40 AB: comments from Daniel Glazman ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0800.html ), his personal comments 13:28:46 AB: comments from Brad Kemper ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0803.html ) regarding the definitions of the modes 13:29:16 AB: without Robin here today, I'm reluctant to do a deep dive 13:29:29 MC: fair enough; I haven't done a thorough review yet 13:29:39 AB: Marcos raised a question about height and width attribute ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0847.html ) 13:29:54 MC: yes, I need to discuss this with Robin 13:30:28 ... P&C says that VMMF defines how width and height are used 13:31:42 AB: ok, let's wait for Robin to respond to your comment 13:32:03 AB: my recommendation is that we continue discussions on the mail list 13:32:14 MC: generally, I think the doc is looking pretty good 13:32:20 AB: yes, I tend to agree 13:32:41 ... it was particuarly good to see the CSS WG thinks it was a good idea 13:32:50 ... I need to thank them and Daniel for sending comments 13:33:38 AB: any comments about the spec being more general than just widgets 13:33:45 MC: not clear what that really means 13:33:53 ... don't want to add a bunch of complexity 13:33:59 AB: agree! 13:34:20 MC: there is also a question about the relationship to CSSOM 13:35:00 ... want to keep VMMF as simple as possible 13:35:49 AB: so keep the functionality constrained such that additional functionality can be layered on top of it 13:36:11 MC: need to see how it lines up with the VM-I spec 13:36:24 ... should mention VMI spec to CSS WG 13:36:48 Arve: the APIs are needed e.g. switching modes 13:37:02 ... may want to change content upon mode switch 13:37:38 AB: an action then to followup with Marcin on VM-I 13:37:49 MC: should ask CSS WG now to review VM-I 13:37:57 arve has joined #wam 13:38:11 AB: was there a natural follow-up on one of the comments? 13:38:15 MC: yes, think so 13:38:46 AB: here is what I think it the latest VM-I spec: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vm/vm-interfaces.src.html 13:39:08 ... I don't know if it reflects Yael Aharon's comments 13:39:27 MC: I'll reply to Daniel G with a pointer to VM-I spec 13:39:34 ... and I'll CC AvK too 13:39:45 AB: excellent and thanks for doing that! 13:40:12 AB: anything else on View Modes for today? 13:40:16 MC: no 13:40:26 Topic: AoB 13:40:33 AB: is there anything else for today? 13:41:11 Arve: re charter, what about high-resolution timers? 13:41:19 ... Google created a proposal 13:41:28 ... think the use case was debugging 13:41:38 ... the question is: is this in scope for WebApps? 13:42:43 AB: yes, here is the start of one thread: http://www.w3.org/mid/802863260908121812i71940b50l851ad09c6ec7fed9@mail.gmail.com 13:44:21 AB: Draft charter http://www.w3.org/2010/webapps/charter/Overview.html 13:52:41 AB: next call is April 1 (no call on March 25). Meeting adjourned. 13:53:00 -Art_Barstow 13:53:02 - +47.23.69.aabb 13:53:04 IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended 13:53:06 Attendees were Art_Barstow, +1.479.524.aaaa, +47.23.69.aabb 13:53:09 RRSAgent, make minutes 13:53:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-minutes.html ArtB 13:53:29 ArtB: I've emailed Daniel 13:59:54 zakim, bye 13:59:54 Zakim has left #wam 14:03:04 Steven has joined #wam 14:04:39 rrsagent, here? 14:04:39 See http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-irc#T14-04-39 14:05:18 Steven curses DST differences... 14:05:23 sorry! 14:05:41 At least I'll be on time for my next call... 14:08:02 RRSAgent, bye 14:08:02 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-actions.rdf : 14:08:02 ACTION: barstow follow up with Scott re the element and dir element and Wookie [1] 14:08:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-irc#T13-14-06 14:08:02 ACTION: Robin respond to Julian's comment re widget: URI scheme registration ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0713.html ) [2] 14:08:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-wam-irc#T13-27-48 14:08:10 steven, NP!