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16:00:58 <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
16:01:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:01:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
16:01:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:03 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:03 <trackbot> Date: 18 March 2010
16:01:09 <Zakim> + +1.408.996.aacc
16:01:14 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:14 <Zakim> +Plh
16:01:14 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:01:27 <Julian> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:01:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], +49.251.280.aabb, [IPcaller], +1.408.996.aacc, Plh
16:01:29 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:41 <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aabb is me
16:01:41 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
16:01:46 <RobEnnals> zakixm, [IPcaller] is me
16:01:50 <mjs> Zakim, +1.408.996.aacc is me
16:01:50 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
16:01:54 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:01:57 <RobEnnals> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:01:57 <Zakim> +RobEnnals; got it
16:02:13 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
16:02:13 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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16:02:32 <Zakim> + +1.831.454.aadd
16:02:48 <adrianba> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
16:02:50 <cardona507> Zakim 1.831.454.aadd is me
16:02:54 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:03:00 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:03:13 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0024.html
16:03:14 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-03-18 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:03:16 <Zakim> +Rich
16:03:16 <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
16:03:17 <Zakim> sorry, cardona507, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:03:36 <cardona507> Zakim, +1.831.454.aadd is me
16:03:36 <Zakim> +cardona507; got it
16:03:43 <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
16:03:43 <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
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16:04:17 <plh> zakim, plh has Mike
16:04:17 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
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16:04:20 <adrianba> mjs: expecting this to be short meeting
16:04:25 <oedipus> oedipus has joined #html-wg
16:04:28 <adrianba> ...next 2 or 3 weeks will be more busy
16:04:30 <adrianba> TOPIC: Action Items Pending Review
16:04:35 <adrianba> mjs: none
16:04:44 <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thu Mar 18
16:04:47 <adrianba> mjs: none
16:04:56 <adrianba> TOPIC: Call For Consensus that close by Mar 18
16:05:00 <adrianba> mjs: none
16:05:08 <adrianba> TOPIC: Call for Proposals that close by Thu Mar 18
16:05:12 <adrianba> mjs: none
16:05:13 <Zakim> +Sam
16:05:17 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items that close next week
16:05:32 <adrianba> ISSUE-31?
16:05:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
16:05:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
16:05:33 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:51 <adrianba> mjs: number of proposals already - closes Mar 23
16:06:02 <adrianba> mjs: questions?
16:06:17 <adrianba> ISSUE-41?
16:06:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- OPEN
16:06:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:06:19 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:28 <adrianba> mjs: again closes on tuesday
16:06:37 <adrianba> ...received at least 3 different proposals from 2 people
16:06:49 <adrianba> ...holding open in case anyone wants to submit another or volunteer
16:06:58 <adrianba> ...discussion ongoing on the mailing list
16:07:13 <adrianba> ...questions?
16:07:31 <adrianba> rob: discusssion may generate alternative
16:07:45 <adrianba> ISSUE-80?
16:07:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
16:07:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
16:07:46 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:59 <adrianba> mjs: also closes Mar 23 - related to issue 31
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16:08:14 <adrianba> ...only one of issue 31 proposals tackles this
16:08:17 <MikeSmith> issue-31
16:08:20 <MikeSmith> issue-31?
16:08:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
16:08:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
16:08:21 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:37 <adrianba> ISSUE-86?
16:08:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-86 -- HTML5 relaxes Atom requirement on atom:id stability -- OPEN
16:08:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/86
16:08:38 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-86 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:48 <adrianba> mjs: think we have a volunteer
16:08:53 <adrianba> ...due next tuesday
16:09:09 <adrianba> ISSUE-88?
16:09:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
16:09:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
16:09:10 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:09:23 <Eliot_Graff> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
16:09:23 <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
16:09:23 <adrianba> mjs: call for counter proposals on this one
16:09:32 <adrianba> ...change proposal submitted and ongoing discussion
16:09:41 <adrianba> ...waiting to see if we have counters to the proposal
16:10:06 <adrianba> mjs: remaining 2 items are due mar 25
16:10:07 <adrianba> ISSUE-32?
16:10:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
16:10:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
16:10:09 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:16 <adrianba> mjs: expecting revised change proposal
16:10:26 <richardschwerdtfe> please add me on agenda for issue-74
16:10:27 <adrianba> ...a11y tf may not be able to deliver by the due date
16:10:35 <adrianba> ...will ask for new due date if necessary
16:10:46 <mjs> richardschwerdtfe, will do (after official agenda)
16:10:50 <richardschwerdtfe> thanks
16:10:59 <adrianba> ISSUE-82?
16:10:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- OPEN
16:10:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
16:11:00 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:10 <adrianba> mjs: change proposal due thur mar 25
16:11:31 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
16:11:36 <adrianba> ISSUE-78?
16:11:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses -- RAISED
16:11:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/78
16:11:37 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:49 <adrianba> mjs: only issue not yet asked for proposals
16:11:54 <adrianba> ...all issues now in pipeline
16:12:13 <Julian> q+
16:12:18 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:12:21 <adrianba> mjs: none
16:12:37 <mjs> ack Julian
16:12:56 <adrianba> julian: wanted to note that closed issue-79 with resolution for editor to update spec
16:13:04 <adrianba> ...do we need some tracking for pending review issues
16:13:18 <adrianba> mjs: in accordance with decision policy we reopened the bug
16:13:25 <adrianba> ...tagged with WGDECISION keyword
16:13:34 <adrianba> ...it is being tracked via bugzilla
16:13:39 <adrianba> julian: ok
16:13:48 <adrianba> mjs: richard - issue 74
16:13:51 <adrianba> issue-74?
16:13:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
16:13:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
16:13:52 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:14:07 <adrianba> richard: a11y tf come to decision for canvas to have new attribue
16:14:19 <adrianba> ...by default content in canvas is in keyb nav order
16:14:40 <adrianba> ...provides opportunity to turn off if desired
16:14:52 <adrianba> ...still need to address focus and caret navigation for magnifier
16:14:53 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibilitynonav
16:14:54 <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibilitynonav - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:15:04 <adrianba> ...this is the proposal for people to look at
16:15:34 <adrianba> mjs: would appreciate if someone could sent to public-html when TF ready
16:15:36 <MikeSmith> issue-74?
16:15:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
16:15:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
16:15:37 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:43 <adrianba> ...can then record as change proposal for issue 74
16:15:57 <adrianba> ...we do already have proposal submitted for caret nav and focus issue
16:16:02 <MikeSmith> issue-74: see change proposal - http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibilitynonav
16:16:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. notes added
16:16:03 <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibilitynonav - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:16:06 <adrianba> ...has been some discussion of details
16:16:20 <adrianba> richard: good to have this important discussion
16:16:26 <adrianba> ...will submit to public-html after call
16:16:28 <adrianba> mjs: thanks
16:16:47 <adrianba> TOPIC: verifying resolved bugs
16:16:55 <adrianba> mjs: sent mail to the list about this process
16:17:09 <mjs> http://bit.ly/da3rUe
16:17:11 <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at bit.ly)
16:17:33 <adrianba> ...this is list of bugs now in verified state
16:17:39 <adrianba> ...need people to review
16:17:56 <adrianba> ...any that don't get response by april 12 will be considered comments with no reply from commenter on decision
16:18:10 <adrianba> ...if you are interested in any of these, either move to close if accept decision
16:18:18 <adrianba> ...or reopen if you want fresh consideration
16:18:29 <adrianba> ...or tracker keyword if want to escalate to issue tracker
16:18:40 <adrianba> ...prefer as many as possible get reply from original commenter
16:18:46 <adrianba> ...hope people will do that
16:18:58 <adrianba> ...if in the process you find any other bugs you can close or escalate
16:19:08 <adrianba> ...that would be appreciated
16:19:28 <adrianba> mjs: any other business?
16:19:46 <rubys1> scribe?
16:19:56 <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
16:20:01 <adrianba> mjs: any volunteers?
16:20:03 <Julian> q+
16:20:16 <mjs> ack Julian
16:20:31 <adrianba> julian: might be good to remind people that ietf meeting is next week
16:20:40 <paulc> Either Sam or Paul will chair next week
16:20:47 <adrianba> ...might be several meetings including cookie, hybi, iri, http that could be interesting
16:20:52 <paulc> If Sam chairs then Paul will volunteer to scribe.
16:20:59 <adrianba> ...can use xmpp or listed to audio stream
16:21:01 <MikeSmith> cookie = http-state , right?
16:21:06 <Julian> yes
16:21:15 <Julian> See: http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/
16:21:16 <pimpbot> Title: greenbytes WebDAV resources (at greenbytes.de)
16:21:31 <adrianba> mjs: thanks, definitely wg with cross interest
16:21:32 <Julian> actually http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/#news
16:21:33 <pimpbot> Title: greenbytes WebDAV resources (at greenbytes.de)
16:21:45 <adrianba> ...encourage participation if interested
16:21:55 <adrianba> ...next week w3c ac and tag are meeting
16:21:58 <paulc> Can Julian provide links to the remote participation techniques?
16:22:04 <adrianba> ...sam and paul will be there
16:22:12 <adrianba> ...will update us after
16:22:22 <adrianba> ...ECMA TC-39 meeting also
16:22:25 <Julian> paulc, they are in the news item I posted
16:22:46 <adrianba> mjs: paul willing to scribe if sam chairs
16:22:57 <adrianba> ...if paul chairs, maciej will scribe
16:23:12 <paulc> Adjourn at :23 after the hour.
16:23:17 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:23:19 <Zakim> -Rich
16:23:21 <cardona507> thanks everyone
16:23:23 <Zakim> -Julian
16:23:24 <Zakim> -RobEnnals
16:23:24 <Zakim> -Sam
16:23:26 <Zakim> -Plh
16:23:28 <Zakim> - +91.80.67.82.aaee
16:23:29 <Zakim> -mjs
16:23:31 <Zakim> -cardona507
16:23:31 <adrianba> rrsagent, make log public
16:23:36 <adrianba> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:23:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:23:38 <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
16:23:39 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:23:52 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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16:23:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, +49.251.280.aaaa, paulc, Julian, mjs, [Microsoft], RobEnnals, adrianba, Rich, cardona507, +91.80.67.82.aaee, Mike, Sam, Eliot_Graff
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16:43:03 <trackbot> Sorry, paulc, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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16:43:09 <hober> Has there been a zero-edit CP for ISSUE-41?
16:43:31 <paulc> rssagent, generate minutes
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16:44:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/18-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
16:44:12 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 18 Mar 2010 (at www.w3.org)
16:53:40 <pimpbot> planet: Dynamically pixelate an html image element <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2471226/dynamically-pixelate-an-html-image-element>
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17:59:58 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7392] Please use some term other than "URL" for Web Addresses <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0901.html>
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20:30:34 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9278] New: "...with the same argument, the user agent **may** return the same object as the object returned by the earlier call.": Make this a must. To quote hsivonen, "The Web leaves no edge case unexercised." <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0904.html> 4** [Bug 9264] Provide a way to prevent Content-Language from acting as language fallback <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/201
20:54:43 <pimpbot> planet: Is geocoding possible with a phone that's not GPS enabled? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2472850/is-geocoding-possible-with-a-phone-thats-not-gps-enabled>
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22:31:04 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9264] Provide a way to prevent Content-Language from acting as language fallback <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0905.html>
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23:31:19 <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9264] Provide a way to prevent Content-Language from acting as language fallback" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0906.html>