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17:12:22 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
17:12:22 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
17:12:33 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
17:13:01 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core WG Teleconference
17:13:05 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
17:13:09 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
17:13:14 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
17:13:29 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Mar/0015.html
17:13:47 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:13:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
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17:29:40 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has now started
17:29:47 <Zakim> +??P37
17:30:10 <Zakim> +Norbert
17:30:26 <Zakim> +??P39
17:30:41 <Zakim> +aphillip
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17:32:48 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
17:32:48 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
17:32:49 <Zakim> +Richard
17:32:52 <aphillip> Norbert: how do I do that?
17:33:01 <aphillip> ... and then they keep talking
17:33:21 <aphillip> ScribeNick: Norbert
17:33:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:33:46 <Norbert> Addison: Hello Richard!
17:33:53 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
17:34:09 <aphillip> added: time of call discussion for DST
17:34:22 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
17:34:32 <aphillip> Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue 
17:34:45 <Norbert> Richard: still ongoing
17:35:00 <Norbert> Addison: discussion going on
17:35:21 <aphillip> addison: if no news by next tuesday, ping HTML5 chairs for progress on Issue-88 call for alternatives 
17:35:35 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Mar/0016.html
17:36:00 <Norbert> Addison: response from Sam Ruby
17:36:24 <Norbert> ... not clear which process to follow, but will follow up
17:36:30 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: follow up on Issue-88 on March 23 with HTML-WG
17:36:35 <aphillip> addison: send note to html5 informing them of the document but asking not to review just yet 
17:37:07 <Norbert> Addison: the document = bidi; Richard acted
17:37:15 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
17:37:34 <fsasaki> felix: this week will present jltf work at xml prague
17:37:37 <Norbert> silence
17:38:26 <r12a> Jeff Jaffe
17:38:28 <aphillip> jeff jaffe
17:38:29 <Norbert> Richard: new CEO at W3C
17:39:16 <aphillip> Topic: teleconference time change due to DST
17:40:28 <Norbert> Addison: typically move to Californian afternoon for north american summer
17:41:07 <Norbert> Richard: rather than gathering availabilities, see whether we can continue with current time
17:41:15 <Norbert> ... or nudge it
17:42:36 <Norbert> Addison: current participants California, UK, Australia, occasionally Israel
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17:43:12 <Norbert> Andrew: current time is 3:30 am Australia
17:47:51 <David> DST change dates : http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2010.html
17:49:29 <Norbert> David: are there people who would like to participate but can't because of timing?
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17:49:34 <aphillip> http://tinyurl.com/yh4g6z5
17:49:55 <Norbert> Richard: Martin gave timing as reason for not participating
17:50:55 <Zakim> +Aharon
17:51:09 <aphillip> Monday, May 10, 2010 at 14:00:00	Mon 3:00 PM *	Mon 7:00 AM *	Midnight Mon-Tue	Mon 5:00 PM *
17:51:32 <aphillip> London-SF-Brisbane-Jerusalem
17:52:08 <Norbert> Addison: David to come up with some options
17:52:19 <aphillip> ACTION: david: poll WG members for appropriate post-DST telecon time, including current time as an option
17:52:34 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32113
17:52:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:52:53 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi WG Note progress
17:53:19 <Norbert> Addison: Thanks to Richard for FPWD
17:53:47 <Norbert> Richard: still have to get people to move over to new mailing list
17:54:23 <Norbert> Najib: some very good emails, need to work on answering to issues raised
17:54:27 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-bidi/2010JanMar/
17:55:45 <Norbert> Richard: HTML folks sound eager to incorporate bidi
17:56:00 <Norbert> ... need to start feeding requests to them
17:56:25 <Norbert> ... need to look for uncontroversial issues
17:57:05 <Norbert> Najib: some issues raised on most topics that seemed uncontroversial
17:57:18 <Norbert> ... e.g. usage of yes/no attribute values
17:57:41 <Norbert> ... so discussion still needed
17:58:01 <Norbert> ... maybe a few items that could be closed, but not significant parts of proposal
17:58:44 <Norbert> Addison: be cautious about forwarding items; may still be affected by discussion in other areas of doc
17:58:59 <Norbert> ... take holistic approach
17:59:12 <najib> q+
17:59:12 <Norbert> Najib: but HMTL is eager to close spec
18:00:14 <Norbert> Richard: HTML wants to get involved in discussions
18:00:21 <Norbert> ... unfortunately not experts
18:00:26 <aphillip> ack najib
18:00:30 <najib> What about renaming rename bdi attribute by sce (self contained entity)
18:00:36 <aphillip> go ahead najib...
18:00:44 <najib> <span sce dir="ltr"> -3 review.</span>
18:00:47 <najib> or <sce dir="ltr"> -3 review.</sce>
18:01:01 <najib> SCE is what give semantic to directional run
18:01:10 <najib> that's all
18:01:58 <r12a> najib, please send that comment to the public-i18n-bidi list, if you haven't already
18:02:09 <najib> OK
18:02:10 <Norbert> Addison: need to move fast and use bug mechanism, but make sure document is ready
18:02:25 <Norbert> ... to enable holistic discussion with non-experts
18:03:13 <Norbert> Richard: we need to contribute to discussion and move it forward
18:03:20 <Norbert> ... and then engage HTML group
18:03:33 <aphillip> agendum for next week: discuss bidi
18:04:39 <aphillip> ACTION: all: review the bidi note document, sending comments as appropriate, by next teleconference (17 March)
18:05:24 <Norbert> Najib: need to look at constants in word counting algorithms to determine RTL/LTR
18:05:41 <aphillip> s/Najib/Aharon/
18:05:50 <Norbert> ... look at publicly available text, e.g., blogs, where direction has been set by editor
18:05:52 <najib> :-)
18:06:24 <Norbert> ... this could take some months, but we don't seem to have that time
18:06:35 <Norbert> ... take the time, or make a guess?
18:06:49 <Norbert> Addison: do the constants have to be in the spec?
18:07:10 <Norbert> ... Google may be able to help with data analysis
18:08:40 <Norbert> Aharon: constants have significant impact; so far assuming 40% RTL means RTL, but people question this
18:09:38 <Norbert> Addison: word counting may not be most important feature
18:09:54 <Norbert> Richard: can it be left to the implementation?
18:10:23 <Norbert> Aharon: thinking is that should leave as little as possible to the implementation
18:10:49 <Norbert> Richard: may need help from HTML folks; flag as issue
18:12:38 <Norbert> Addison: continue discussion next week
18:12:57 <Norbert> Richard: discuss on list
18:13:12 <Norbert> Addison: need way to track issues and close them
18:13:39 <Norbert> ... don't rely on issues scattered in document
18:13:45 <Norbert> ... need list with numbers
18:15:24 <Norbert> Richard: can we engage the HTML folks without waiting for another rev of the document?
18:16:00 <Norbert> Addison: need to set up review table, then engage with HTML as a group
18:17:06 <aphillip> ACTION: Aharon: send to our mail list list of issues ready for HTML-WG and list of issues to address in our document
18:18:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
18:19:01 <Norbert> Richard: use wiki table for issues lists
18:19:48 <Norbert> Aharon: is editor for bidi document
18:20:24 <Norbert> Richard: will provide help with tools
18:22:37 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
18:23:21 <Norbert> Richard: bidi for widgets?
18:23:37 <Norbert> ... need to provide examples
18:24:38 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: provide bidi examples for widgets P&C
18:25:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
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18:27:06 <Zakim> -Norbert
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18:27:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html aphillip
18:27:16 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has ended
18:27:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Norbert, Felix, aphillip, David, Richard, Aharon
18:27:20 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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18:27:29 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-actions.rdf :
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: follow up on Issue-88 on March 23 with HTML-WG [1]
18:27:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-irc#T17-36-30
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david: poll WG members for appropriate post-DST telecon time, including current time as an option [2]
18:27:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-irc#T17-52-19
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all: review the bidi note document, sending comments as appropriate, by next teleconference (17 March) [3]
18:27:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-irc#T18-04-39
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aharon: send to our mail list list of issues ready for HTML-WG and list of issues to address in our document [4]
18:27:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-irc#T18-17-06
18:27:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: provide bidi examples for widgets P&C [5]
18:27:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-irc#T18-24-38