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19:58:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
19:58:52 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:58:53 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
19:58:53 <trackbot> Date: 08 March 2010
19:59:58 <richardschwerdtfe> zakim, this is 92473
19:59:58 <Zakim> richardschwerdtfe, I see WAI_PFWG(CANVAS)3:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 92473".
20:00:11 <richardschwerdtfe> zakim, this will be 92473
20:00:11 <Zakim> ok, richardschwerdtfe; I see WAI_PFWG(CANVAS)3:00PM scheduled to start now
20:00:19 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(CANVAS)3:00PM has now started
20:00:26 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
20:00:45 <Zakim> +Rich
20:00:47 <richardschwerdtfe> meeting: HTML Canvas Accessibility
20:01:12 <richardschwerdtfe> chair: Rich
20:01:41 <janina> janina has joined #html-a11y
20:02:05 <janina> zakim, call janina
20:02:05 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
20:02:07 <Zakim> +Janina
20:02:16 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
20:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, Janina (muted)
20:02:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, MikeSmithX, oedipus, Zakim, jongunderson, davidb, trackbot
20:02:27 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/0276.html
20:02:32 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
20:02:36 <oedipus> scribenick: oedipus
20:03:01 <oedipus> JS: may not be able to stay whole hour
20:03:19 <oedipus> JS: main concern -- chaals needs to do chaals' work -- we can be accomodating, but need to keep ball rolling
20:03:24 <richardschwerdtfe> Proposals:
20:03:26 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/0276.html
20:03:36 <oedipus> i/JS: may not/TOPIC: News & Notes
20:03:40 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom
20:03:52 <oedipus> TOPIC: Image Map versus ADom
20:03:58 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/att-0255/canvaselement-issue74-feedback1.html
20:04:09 <oedipus> RS: don't think is a "versus" but how to pull together to include chaals
20:04:11 <oedipus> JS: yes
20:04:28 <oedipus> s/versus ADom/and ADom
20:04:50 <oedipus> RS: in holding pattern; can try to pull together into single proposoal but going to take fair bit of work hadn't signed up to do
20:05:03 <oedipus> JS: chaals needs to be involved, not all on Rich
20:06:13 <oedipus> RS: can make recommendations; need to be pulled together; needs type of wording in ADom proposal for Imagemap proposal
20:06:27 <oedipus> RS: regular HTML maps to A11y API, not intuative what devs will do with CANVAS
20:06:55 <oedipus> RS: don't know how far will get with HTML WG to state need IMAP version 4.01 restored
20:07:03 <oedipus> RS: didn't make HTML WG call 
20:07:11 <oedipus> JS: CANVAS did not come up during call
20:07:17 <oedipus> RS: in state of limbo with HTML WG
20:07:57 <oedipus> JS: pushed in HTML WG call some time ago and had clarified that any a11y issues should be assigned to TF -- until TF reports back to HTML WG, not an issue for HTML WG
20:08:01 <davidb> guys, my regrets, debugging something.
20:08:07 <oedipus> JS: need separation of trackers
20:08:15 <oedipus> regrets+ David_Bolter
20:08:36 <oedipus> JS: Rich, you did report out, received feedback, but until TF votes is a TF and not HTML WG issue
20:09:48 <oedipus> JS: should try to do before CSUN; if chaals' can't contribute before CSUN, move on ADom -- consensus is not unanimity (sp?)
20:10:05 <oedipus> JS: see if can schedule time with CMN; he needs to do background work on proposals
20:10:23 <oedipus> JS: can remind CMN that waiting for his input on several ARIA issues, as well
20:11:51 <oedipus> RS: clear to me based on Paul Cotton's comments, going back to HT ML 4.01 imagemap is NOT an option
20:11:54 <oedipus> RS: HTML5 has whole bunch of additional elements to add to imagemap -- drag'n'drop is only 1 -- may be others
20:12:11 <oedipus> TOPIC: Progress on Caret Tracking
20:12:20 <oedipus> RS: SteveF took RichS proposal and put on wiki
20:12:25 <oedipus> regrets+ Steve_Faulkner
20:12:44 <oedipus> RS: have details and actual proposal
20:12:46 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12
20:13:06 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/19
20:13:19 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility
20:13:27 <oedipus> JS: hixie is not the gatekeeper
20:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/08-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
20:14:01 <oedipus> JS: is copyright claim in HTML WG docs
20:14:10 <oedipus> RS: propsal for caret tracking -- next steps?
20:14:13 <oedipus> RS: review
20:14:22 <oedipus> GJR: DBolter sent regrets
20:14:51 <oedipus> RS: will send DBolter and FrankO to review canvas accessibility proposal -- caret browsing is "low-hanging fruit" ready to be plucked
20:15:04 <oedipus> RS: part of issue 74 -- do we take this as separate proposal to HTML WG?
20:15:09 <oedipus> JS: take first to TF
20:15:12 <oedipus> RS: and then...
20:15:24 <oedipus> JS: does it stand on its own?
20:15:42 <oedipus> RS: stands on own, but to solve entire Issue-74 needs navtree and imagemap combined
20:15:54 <oedipus> RS: separate document created by hixie for 2D canvas api
20:16:10 <oedipus> RS: can defect be leveraged against canvas when forked from main HTML draft
20:17:04 <oedipus> RS: try to get canvas change proposal ready; submit to TF once Canvas Caucus approves change; ask TF if want to make part of issue-74
20:17:09 <oedipus> JS: can advance as partial fulfilment
20:17:16 <oedipus> RS: will get PCotton help too
20:17:42 <oedipus> RS: DavidB and JamesC and FrankO will be asked to review; if changes, submit to SteveF AND RichS
20:17:55 <oedipus> RS: SXSW coming up then 2 weeks until CSUN
20:18:03 <oedipus> JS: CSUN 22-27 March 2010
20:18:20 <oedipus> RS: will send out note to WG and to CMN to see if can attend next week or delegate someone to do work
20:19:12 <oedipus> RS: know my approach works ok -- others may like to use an imagemap, but is a BIG change in my mind, based on what PaulC indicated and i expected
20:19:36 <oedipus> RS: ability to include DOM elements in imagemap removed for reason -- probably sheer size
20:19:57 <oedipus> JS: would be good if when written up, stands on its own, so can be rejected on own if comes to that
20:20:00 <oedipus> RS: ok
20:21:02 <oedipus> JS: what we agreed here, if imagemap controversial keep in separate proposal so don't  have to rip out in case CMN or opera can't finish imagemap proposal -- that should be advanced on its own as another approach but requested change to imagemap may be a non-starter with HTML WG
20:21:32 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
20:21:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/08-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
20:22:38 <oedipus> meeting: HTML A11y TF Canvas SubGroup Teleconference
20:22:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/08-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
20:22:52 <oedipus> regrets+ CMN
20:22:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/08-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
20:23:02 <oedipus> zakim, please part
20:23:02 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, Janina
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20:23:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/08-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
20:23:53 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
20:23:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items