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09:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2010
09:59:59 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
10:00:04 <raphael> Regrets: Erik, Silvia
10:00:12 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0003.html
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10:02:02 <Zakim> +raphael
10:02:06 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
10:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:03:17 <raphael> Present: raphael, michael, yves, davy
10:03:20 <Zakim> +Yves
10:03:40 <Zakim> + +0329331aaaa
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10:04:30 <raphael> Regrets+ Jack
10:04:57 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
10:05:05 <raphael> scribe: Raphael
10:05:12 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
10:05:29 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 24 February 2009 telecon, http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:05:31 <raphael> ?
10:05:33 <mhausenblas> +1
10:05:34 <davy> +1
10:05:34 <raphael> +1
10:05:39 <raphael> Minutes accepted
10:05:45 <raphael> ACTIOn-145?
10:05:45 <trackbot> ACTION-145 -- Raphaël Troncy to adjust the milestones in the charter -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
10:05:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/145
10:06:41 <raphael> close ACTION-145
10:06:41 <trackbot> ACTION-145 Adjust the milestones in the charter closed
10:06:54 <raphael> see the new table schedule on the group home page, http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/
10:07:06 <raphael> ACTION-119?
10:07:06 <trackbot> ACTION-119 -- Yves Lafon to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing list and notifications -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN
10:07:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119
10:08:08 <Zakim> + +81.80.614.3.aabb
10:08:21 <raphael> zakim, aabb is Conrad
10:08:21 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it
10:09:06 <raphael> Topic: 2. F2F meeting
10:09:15 <raphael> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda
10:09:45 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:09:45 <Zakim> Conrad should now be muted
10:10:04 <raphael> I'm requesting you put more items of things you would like to have been discussed
10:10:29 <raphael> Topic: 3. Specification
10:10:38 <raphael> ACTION-134?
10:10:38 <trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Erik Mannens to mark up the spec with normative and informative classes -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
10:10:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134
10:10:57 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:10:57 <Zakim> Conrad should no longer be muted
10:11:37 <raphael> Propose to close it, since we marked up already what is stable and not
10:11:45 <raphael> Some support from Yves
10:11:48 <raphael> no objetions
10:11:50 <conrad> +1
10:11:54 <davy> +1
10:11:56 <raphael> s/objetions/objections
10:11:56 <mhausenblas> +1
10:12:03 <raphael> close ACTION-134
10:12:03 <trackbot> ACTION-134 Mark up the spec with normative and informative classes closed
10:12:21 <raphael> ACTION-142?
10:12:21 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Raphaël Troncy to apply this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
10:12:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/142
10:12:30 <raphael> close ACTION-142
10:12:30 <trackbot> ACTION-142 Apply this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) closed
10:13:01 <raphael> Topic: 4. Media URI Syntax
10:13:07 <raphael> ACTION-126?
10:13:07 <trackbot> ACTION-126 -- Yves Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23 -- OPEN
10:13:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126
10:13:11 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:13:11 <Zakim> Conrad should now be muted
10:13:24 <raphael> Yves: it is done, both the wiki page and the document has been changed
10:13:49 <raphael> In the document, at the end, there is a consolidated annex with what we have imported
10:14:23 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/
10:15:02 <Yves> 4.2.1.3 Wall-clock time code
10:15:10 <Yves> Editorial note: Philip
10:15:13 <Yves> The datetime definition should be imported from either global date and time (HTML 5) or utc-time (RFC 2326).
10:15:19 <Yves> Editorial note: Yves
10:15:22 <Yves> In fact it should be a subset of ISO 8601, RFC 3339 would do. (Need WG decision)
10:16:07 <raphael> Issue: which def should we take?
10:16:07 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-15 - Which def should we take? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/15/edit .
10:16:17 <Yves> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3339.txt
10:16:25 <raphael> drop ISSUE-15
10:17:33 <raphael> Yves: I would prefer to use the 3339 rather than the def used in HTML5 and the RTSP protocol
10:18:20 <raphael> ... HTML5 have chosen the ISO def rather than the RFC definition 
10:18:29 <raphael> ... I think they are the same, but we should be consistent in our ref
10:19:12 <raphael> Raphael: do you want a WG decision now ? We are not that many on the call
10:19:37 <raphael> Yves: this is not rocket science, but should be pretty straightforward
10:19:46 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:19:46 <Zakim> Conrad should no longer be muted
10:20:04 <raphael> Raphael: I would propose a 5 min discussion at the F2F meeting
10:20:30 <raphael> ... in order to take a WG decision (re: section 4.2.1.3)
10:20:53 <raphael> Bug at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Nov/0023.html is corrected
10:21:08 <raphael> Bug at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0093.html is corrected
10:21:18 <raphael> The 's' has been dropped
10:21:30 <raphael> close ACTION-126
10:21:30 <trackbot> ACTION-126 Follow up on error in ABFN for npt closed
10:21:42 <raphael> Yves: the 's' was already optional but has been dropped
10:22:13 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#collected-syntax
10:22:36 <raphael> Yves: the Annex B collects all the bits of the syntax
10:22:54 <raphael> ACTION-150?
10:22:54 <trackbot> ACTION-150 -- Erik Mannens to summarize the discussion on the quotes in a mail or on the wiki -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
10:22:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150
10:23:32 <raphael> Raphael: whether we should have quotes or not for track and id will be a topic at the F2F meeting
10:23:44 <raphael> Yves: using quotes seem more secure ... but it is matter of discussion
10:23:58 <Yves> wwe need jack for this one
10:24:09 <Yves> s/ww/w/
10:24:16 <raphael> Topic: 5. Protocol
10:24:21 <raphael> ACTION-123?
10:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
10:24:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
10:24:36 <raphael> -- pending
10:24:49 <raphael> Yves: we need some further discussion
10:25:16 <raphael> ... in particular how we express the non-temporal dimension
10:25:29 <raphael> ... my plan is to actually _do_ that during the F2F meeting
10:26:47 <raphael> Raphael: this is another topic for the f2f
10:26:56 <raphael> Topic: 6. Rendering media fragments in the UA
10:27:02 <raphael> ACTION-141?
10:27:02 <trackbot> ACTION-141 -- Conrad Parker to add a paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that further clarify the role of the UA for rendering a media fragment -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
10:27:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141
10:27:20 <raphael> Conrad: I will do that by f2f
10:27:41 <raphael> ACTION-135?
10:27:41 <trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Erik Mannens to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
10:27:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135
10:27:56 <raphael> Davy: I have looked at it a little bit
10:28:14 <davy> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/wps-europarl-internet/frd/vod/player?session=last&currentSei=SEI1&language=en
10:28:18 <raphael> ... look for examples
10:28:40 <raphael> Davy: examples of bow text fragments can be rendered, highlighted
10:28:50 <davy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsaq6W3V1s
10:29:01 <raphael> ... I look also at the annotation tool of YouTube
10:30:24 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
10:30:24 <Zakim> Conrad should now be muted
10:30:56 <raphael> ... we also look at Flash development
10:31:08 <raphael> ... on the F2F I will make an implementation report
10:31:17 <raphael> ... perhaps with a demo
10:31:30 <raphael> ... but mainly the problems we have
10:32:21 <raphael> Topic: 7. Test Cases
10:32:28 <raphael> ACTION-118?
10:32:28 <trackbot> ACTION-118 -- Michael Hausenblas to come up with individual 'normal' test cases (+/- 20) -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN
10:32:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118
10:32:47 <raphael> close ACTIONB-118
10:32:49 <raphael> close ACTION-118
10:32:49 <trackbot> ACTION-118 Come up with individual 'normal' test cases (+/- 20) closed
10:33:18 <raphael> ACTION-147?
10:33:18 <trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Michael Hausenblas to add all MF WG members to corrib -- due 2010-03-05 -- OPEN
10:33:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/147
10:34:33 <raphael> ... will be done by F2F
10:34:54 <raphael> Michael: goal of the F2F is to review the TC that are in corrib
10:35:47 <raphael> Other actions
10:35:52 <raphael> ACTION-71?
10:35:52 <trackbot> ACTION-71 -- Michael Hausenblas to investigate whether he could have an implementation in Javascript that does the client-side media fragments parsing -- due 2009-10-14 -- CLOSED
10:35:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71
10:37:05 <raphael> Davy: we mostly look at how to generate HTTP headers with js
10:37:20 <raphael> ... not really on parsing media fragments
10:37:39 <raphael> ... Silvia was looking at this
10:38:07 <raphael> Raphael: I will ask Silvia if she wants to take this action or not at f2f
10:38:57 <raphael> Topic: 8. AB
10:39:07 <raphael> Raphael: is there any other business to discuss?
10:39:47 <raphael> Next gathering is in Ghent
10:39:59 <raphael> Michael: will be around most of the time remotely
10:40:17 <raphael> Silvia: any slots you will 'more' here than others?
10:40:22 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
10:40:22 <Zakim> Conrad should no longer be muted
10:41:19 <silvia> the morning sessions, as usual
10:41:40 <raphael> same for conrad
10:41:52 <raphael> Raphael: we will focus deep discussion during our morning sessions
10:42:08 <silvia> thanks, much appreciated
10:42:29 <Zakim> -Yves
10:42:30 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
10:42:31 <Zakim> -raphael
10:42:32 <Zakim> -Davy
10:42:33 <Zakim> -Conrad
10:42:33 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
10:42:33 <raphael> Raphael: please, all, finish all your actions BEFORE the f2f
10:42:34 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, mhausenblas, Yves, +0329331aaaa, Davy, +81.80.614.3.aabb, Conrad
10:42:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:43:26 <raphael> S/AB/AOB
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10:45:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:46:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:46:34 <raphael> s/AB/AOB
10:46:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:47:08 <raphael> zakim, bye
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10:47:13 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
10:47:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items