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14:46:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:46:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:46:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:46:55 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2010
14:47:37 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0025.html
14:48:16 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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14:48:30 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:48:35 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:49:04 <fjh> Regrets: Suresh_Chitturi
14:53:59 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:54:06 <Zakim> +marengo
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14:57:20 <paddy> Present+ Paddy_Byers
14:57:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:57:49 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is fjh
14:57:49 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:57:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:57:53 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:57:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see marengo, fjh, [IPcaller]
14:57:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkM, paddy, marengo, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, rvazquez, maxf, darobin, tlr, arve, fjh, shepazu, ilkka, blassey, trackbot, dom
14:57:59 <darobin> Zakim, [IPCaller] is me
14:57:59 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:58:01 <Zakim> +arve
14:58:10 <darobin> Present+ Robin_Berjon
14:58:25 <Zakim> + +0148375aaaa
14:58:39 <Zakim> + +1.408.615.aabb - is perhaps MarkMiller?
14:58:57 <marengo> Present+ Marco_Marengo
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14:59:17 <paddy> zakim, +0148375aaaa is paddy
14:59:17 <Zakim> +paddy; got it
14:59:17 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:59:24 <Zakim> +jmarting_TEF
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14:59:44 <MarkM> Present+ Mark S. Miller
14:59:47 <LauraA> Present+ LauraA
14:59:57 <Zakim> +ilkka
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15:00:02 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see marengo, fjh, darobin, arve (muted), paddy, MarkMiller?, jmarting_TEF, ilkka
15:00:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see jmarting, LauraA, Claes, MarkM, paddy, marengo, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, rvazquez, maxf, darobin, tlr, arve, fjh, shepazu, ilkka, blassey, trackbot, dom
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15:00:17 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
15:00:46 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aacc
15:01:06 <jmarting> Present+ Jesus_Martin
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15:01:16 <Zakim> +LauraA
15:01:23 <Zakim> +Dom
15:01:24 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:01:25 <Claes> zakim, +46.1.08.01.aacc is Claes
15:01:27 <dom> zakim, mute me
15:01:33 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:01:35 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
15:01:36 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:01:39 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
15:01:44 <darobin> Zakim, MarkMiller? is MarkM
15:01:45 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
15:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see marengo, fjh, darobin, arve (muted), paddy, MarkMiller?, jmarting_TEF (muted), ilkka, Claes, LauraA, Dom (muted), Bryan_Sullivan (muted)
15:01:54 <Zakim> +MarkM; got it
15:01:56 <Zakim> + +1.301.581.aadd
15:02:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see bsulliva, jmorris, jmarting, LauraA, Claes, MarkM, paddy, marengo, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, rvazquez, maxf, darobin, tlr, arve, fjh, shepazu, ilkka,
15:02:05 <Zakim> ... blassey, trackbot, dom
15:02:17 <Zakim> + +1.202.436.aaee
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15:02:37 <Zakim> + +0208849aaff
15:02:37 <jmorris> zakim, aadd is jmorris
15:02:37 <bsulliva> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
15:02:38 <Zakim> +jmorris; got it
15:02:40 <Zakim> + +03491482aagg
15:02:41 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
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15:02:50 <marengo> Zakim, mute me
15:02:50 <Zakim> marengo should now be muted
15:02:57 <richt> Zakim, +0208849aaff is richt
15:02:57 <Zakim> +richt; got it
15:03:04 <paddy> I can scribe for 1 hr then I have to leave
15:03:11 <Zakim> + +03491337aahh
15:03:25 <darobin> Scribe: Claes
15:03:28 <darobin> ScribeNick: Claes
15:03:36 <fjh> ScribeNick: Claus
15:03:43 <fjh> ScribeNick: Claes
15:03:53 <jmarting> zakim, aagg is jmarting
15:03:53 <Zakim> +jmarting; got it
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15:04:52 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
15:04:55 <fjh> F2F 16-18 March
15:05:05 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0043.html
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15:05:23 <Claes> look at draft agenda for f2f and comment on list
15:05:28 <Zakim> +maxf
15:06:06 <fjh> Day 1, Tuesday, 16 March (10:00 - 17:00)
15:06:23 <fjh> Day 2, Wednesday 17 March (9:00 - 17:00)
15:06:36 <fjh> Day 3, Thursday 18 March (9-15:30)
15:07:00 <Zakim> + +0492084aaii
15:07:15 <marcin> Zakim, aaii is marcin
15:07:15 <Zakim> +marcin; got it
15:07:28 <fjh> registration questionnaire http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/prague-2010/
15:07:41 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
15:07:41 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
15:07:42 <Claes> Don't forget to answer questionarie for f2f meeting
15:07:43 <Zakim> +Thomas
15:07:48 <dom> ack me
15:07:50 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
15:07:50 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
15:07:52 <tlr> zakim, mute me
15:07:52 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
15:08:26 <Claes> Dom: No bridge has been requested
15:09:02 <Claes> Robin: Issue with using phone line for int calls
15:09:15 <Claes> Robin to back on this
15:09:20 <dom> ACTION: Dom to reserve Zakim for Prague F2F
15:09:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Reserve Zakim for Prague F2F [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-03-10].
15:09:29 <dom> zakim, mute me
15:09:29 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
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15:09:50 <darobin> [we currently have 5 people who say they're interested in phone participation]
15:10:16 <fjh>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Feb/att-0161/minutes-2010-02-24.html
15:10:39 <Claes> Minutes apporved
15:10:56 <fjh> Topic: Minutes Approval
15:11:17 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 24 February approved
15:12:03 <fjh> Topic: Editorial updates
15:12:14 <fjh> pls look at policy requirements
15:12:14 <fjh> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/#privacy-considerations
15:12:29 <fjh> privacy paper
15:12:36 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Feb/0174.htm
15:13:10 <fjh> Topic: Policy, privacy and security
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15:14:24 <Claes> Paddy: Feedback requested on my input
15:14:38 <Claes> All in req doc
15:15:33 <Claes> Alissa: Think of a way to formalilze the different req we have
15:16:02 <Claes> 4 diff categwgories of reqs
15:17:10 <Claes> Based on work in Geo-location work
15:17:21 <dom> s/htm/html/
15:17:44 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0027.html  Alissa's message on framework for privacy requirements (ref ACTION-77)
15:18:46 <Claes> fjh: Article in NY Times on privacy issues. Fjh to forward
15:20:12 <fjh> action: alissa to provide draft text for requirements document summarizing 4 privacy aspects and other suggested changes to privacy material
15:20:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alissa
15:20:26 <dom> action: John to provide draft text for requirements document summarizing 4 privacy aspects and other suggested changes to privacy material
15:20:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Provide draft text for requirements document summarizing 4 privacy aspects and other suggested changes to privacy material [on John Morris - due 2010-03-10].
15:20:48 <dom> [Alissa hasn't been nominated to the group yet; I gave the action to John as a proxy for the time being]
15:21:05 <jmorris> dom, good, thanks
15:21:07 <dom> alissa, if you could look into getting officially nominated to the group as CDT rep, this would be useful
15:21:13 <alissa> sure
15:21:27 <fjh> claes - REST DAP Web Server to access to local resources
15:21:36 <fjh> proposal for how API access control through "user authorization" and/ 
15:21:36 <fjh> or "pre-arranged trust" through a policy framework can fit into a REST  
15:21:36 <fjh> based architecture."
15:21:53 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0017.html
15:22:03 <fjh> claes notes this was based on prototype project
15:22:24 <fjh> ... goal to show architecture of device including local web server for accessing device resources
15:22:48 <fjh> ... how to implement security, including authentication and authorization
15:23:21 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Mar/att-0004/SEMC_-_Local_REST_APIs.pdf
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15:24:29 <fjh> q+ to ask about javascript apis and policy
15:24:46 <wonsuk> Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
15:25:48 <fjh> mark notes has looked at it briefly  local web server acting as provider fits powerbox
15:25:49 <Claes> Mark: This fits in the Powerbox 
15:28:01 <fjh> claes notes have implemented authorization based on authenticated identity, but not prearrranged trust
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15:28:39 <bsulliva> q+
15:28:54 <fjh> ack fjh
15:28:54 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about javascript apis and policy
15:28:59 <fjh> ack bsulliva
15:29:58 <fjh> action: claes to provide more detailed proposal aligned with powerbox proposal
15:29:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Provide more detailed proposal aligned with powerbox proposal [on Claes Nilsson - due 2010-03-10].
15:30:01 <Claes> bsulliva: Good ideas. Incorporate into Powerbox model.
15:30:19 <fjh> Powerbox and Privacy
15:30:36 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0023.html 
15:32:11 <Claes> fjh: Privacy information for user would help she to make  a decsion 
15:32:43 <fjh> My suggestion is that when user selects provider, could take privacy into account when making that decision
15:33:11 <jmorris> [dom, alissa is now a member of the WG, if it is possible to shift action-98 to her.  But it can stay with me if it is simpler]
15:34:09 <dom> [thx, jmorris, ACTION-98 is now assigned to alissa]
15:35:18 <tlr> [P3P had automated negotiation in early versions, but abolished that later on]
15:35:59 <Claes> Mark: No feedback that a Provider obeys the policy
15:36:12 <Claes> Who is peaking?
15:36:21 <Claes> speaking
15:36:22 <darobin> jmorris
15:37:45 <bsulliva> q-
15:37:53 <fjh> concern from mark - user not confuse privacy policy statement with enforcement
15:38:09 <fjh> concern from mark - policy might not be useful, like EULA
15:38:17 <fjh> similar to NYT article concern
15:38:38 <fjh> mark asks about use of P3P here?
15:39:00 <fjh> mark notes standard markings rather than reading text
15:39:02 <fjh> +1
15:39:04 <Claes> jmorris: Multiple choice structure would help
15:39:58 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/ Web Security Context Working Group
15:40:18 <tlr> q+
15:40:20 <tlr> ack thomas
15:40:22 <tlr> ack tlr
15:40:26 <Claes> Can we pull in something from this WG?
15:40:55 <fjh> tlr notes tyler edited requirements note that might have some useful information
15:41:10 <Claes> tlr: Standardising UI practices is extremely hard
15:42:03 <tlr> zakim, mute me
15:42:03 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
15:42:25 <Claes> alissa: Might something between no policy expression at all and a strict policy
15:43:09 <jmorris> q+
15:43:13 <fjh> ack jmorris
15:43:51 <fjh> jmorris notes there is a limited set of privacy policy points that are very important
15:44:23 <fjh> location - redistribution, retention
15:45:14 <fjh> action: jmorris to share information on key important privacy policy aspects relevant to DAP
15:45:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Share information on key important privacy policy aspects relevant to DAP [on John Morris - due 2010-03-10].
15:45:45 <Claes> UMP long thread....
15:45:51 <fjh> UMP, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0016.html
15:46:30 <fjh> mark notes that CORS uses UMP as a mode of operation
15:46:47 <Claes> Mark: Key thing is that the request to the provider must be a UMP message
15:47:30 <Claes> fjh: Has an issue with dependencies
15:48:02 <fjh> robin notes could use subset of UMP, avoiding risks
15:48:14 <Claes> Robin: We do not need the whole UMP spec, a subset ok
15:48:55 <fjh> OpenProvider Proposal for A/V Capture
15:49:16 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0021.html
15:49:46 <Claes> richt: Powerbox falls down between the web app and the Porvider
15:50:15 <Claes> OpenProvider an E2E data exchange structure from the Porovider to the Web App
15:51:18 <fjh> q+ to ask about policy and WebIDL
15:51:23 <Claes> Allow the OpenProvider to do user interaction 
15:51:59 <Claes> Essentially a basic container with extension nodes
15:52:33 <Claes> Richt will spec this up during coming week
15:53:15 <fjh> mark asks if this is a replacement for mime type and class in powerbox
15:53:25 <fjh> richt notes this is complementary to powerbox
15:54:01 <Claes> OpenProvider is based on OpenSearch
15:54:42 <Claes> that makes it possible to install search providers in browsers
15:55:14 <Zakim> -Thomas
15:56:38 <Zakim> -marengo
15:56:58 <fjh> richt notes that javascript api then links to browser opensearch extensibility mechanism
15:57:37 <Claes> OpenProvider uses JS APIs to be able to transfer parameters
15:59:02 <Claes> fjh asks how this integrates into the Powerbox model
15:59:36 <Claes> Richt:Explained by Robin's walkthrough (section?)
15:59:36 <fjh> richt notes that integration with Powerbox along line of data exchange as provided in Robin's walkthrough
15:59:59 <fjh> s/Richt:Explained/Richt: explained
16:00:26 <fjh> mark asks about layering on top of powerbox spec
16:00:31 <Claes> Mark: Can OpenProvider be layered ontop of Powerbox?
16:00:41 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
16:00:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, arve (muted), paddy, MarkM, jmarting_TEF (muted), ilkka, Claes, LauraA, Dom (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, jmorris, +1.202.436.aaee, richt, jmarting,
16:00:44 <Zakim> ... +03491337aahh, maxf, marcin
16:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see danielcoloma, wonsuk, dcoloma, marcin, alissa, richt, bsulliva, jmorris, jmarting, LauraA, Claes, MarkM, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, maxf, darobin, tlr, arve, fjh,
16:00:48 <Zakim> ... shepazu, ilkka, blassey, trackbot, dom
16:01:21 <darobin> [I would like to point out that my walkthrough liberally filled out holes in bits of PB that I couldn't figure out — it's not representative of the original]
16:01:46 <Claes> Richt: will spec this up and we can have a discussion
16:02:15 <Claes> Mark: Powerbox is very simple and therefore proposing a layered decison
16:02:19 <bsulliva> q+
16:02:23 <fjh> ack fjh
16:02:23 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about policy and WebIDL
16:02:28 <fjh> ack bsulliva
16:02:50 <Zakim> -paddy
16:03:30 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0032.html Bryan's comments on OpenProvider
16:03:54 <Claes> bsulliva: Proxy (Bondi PEP) similar as a mediator between the web app and the resource
16:04:39 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/0041.html Proxy provider, from Mark
16:05:16 <danielcoloma> zakim, +03491337aahh is danielcoloma
16:05:16 <Zakim> +danielcoloma; got it
16:05:21 <Claes> Richt: Agress with Mark, OpenProvider brings more complexity but thinks it is useful
16:06:04 <bsulliva> q-
16:06:13 <fjh> action: richt to have more detailed proposal regarding OpenProvider, discussing relationship to Powerbox
16:06:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - richt
16:06:26 <dom> action: richard to have more detailed proposal regarding OpenProvider, discussing
16:06:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Have more detailed proposal regarding OpenProvider, discussing [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-03-10].
16:06:44 <Claes> fjh: Help with privacy and policy at F2F requested. Submit suggestions on list
16:06:57 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
16:06:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, arve (muted), MarkM, jmarting_TEF (muted), ilkka, Claes, LauraA, Dom (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, jmorris, +1.202.436.aaee, richt, jmarting,
16:07:01 <Zakim> ... danielcoloma, maxf, marcin
16:07:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see danielcoloma, wonsuk, dcoloma, marcin, alissa, richt, bsulliva, jmorris, jmarting, LauraA, Claes, MarkM, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, maxf, darobin, tlr, arve, fjh,
16:07:05 <Zakim> ... shepazu, ilkka, blassey, trackbot, dom
16:07:05 <dom> zakim, seen maxf?
16:07:05 <Zakim> probably, dom; maxf arrived 61 minutes ago
16:07:24 <bsulliva> q+
16:07:38 <bsulliva> q+
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16:08:05 <darobin> ack bsulliva 
16:08:46 <bsulliva> q-
16:09:13 <Claes> bsulliva: UWA wiki evolving aligment of properties
16:10:42 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
16:10:47 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/uwa/wiki/Main_Page UWA Wiki
16:10:52 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (5%), darobin (43%)
16:10:59 <Zakim> -arve
16:11:05 <dom> zakim, mute robin
16:11:05 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not know which phone connection belongs to robin
16:11:08 <dom> zakim, mute darobin
16:11:08 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted
16:11:18 <Zakim> +arve
16:11:21 <darobin> hmpf
16:11:29 <darobin> well, anything else to bring up in APIs?
16:11:50 <darobin> I was asking if people would help out with trying out existing examples in REST/PB
16:12:04 <fjh> please complete actions before f2f http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/ 0024.html 
16:12:05 <dom> ACTION-96?
16:12:05 <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Robin Berjon to rewrite existing examples as PowerBox -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
16:12:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/96
16:12:21 <darobin> ah well
16:12:49 <darobin> so I'll be doing some of that, but if people want to help out, I'll be happy to take the help :)
16:12:59 <darobin> that's all — anything else in APIs?
16:13:30 <darobin> well if there's no AOB — let's all go to bed!
16:14:08 <Zakim> -darobin
16:14:09 <Claes> Sorry for spelling errors, trying to type fast :-)
16:14:11 <Zakim> -Dom
16:14:12 <Zakim> -arve
16:14:12 <Zakim> - +1.202.436.aaee
16:14:13 <Zakim> -marcin
16:14:13 <Zakim> -MarkM
16:14:14 <fjh> adjourned
16:14:14 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
16:14:18 <Zakim> -richt
16:14:19 <Zakim> -jmorris
16:14:26 <Zakim> -Claes
16:14:28 <Zakim> -ilkka
16:14:32 <Zakim> -LauraA
16:14:34 <Zakim> -fjh
16:14:38 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:14:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-dap-minutes.html fjh
16:14:45 <Zakim> -danielcoloma
16:15:03 <Zakim> -jmarting_TEF
16:15:12 <Zakim> -jmarting
16:15:34 <fjh> Present - Mark S. Miller
16:15:42 <fjh> Present+ Mark_S_Miller
16:16:04 <fjh> Present+ John_morris
16:16:41 <fjh> Present+ Arve, Alissa
16:17:15 <fjh> Present+ Thomas_Roessler
16:17:38 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:17:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-dap-minutes.html fjh
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16:19:03 <fjh2> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:19:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-dap-minutes.html fjh2
16:19:07 <Zakim> -maxf
16:19:08 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
16:19:09 <Zakim> Attendees were marengo, fjh, darobin, arve, +1.408.615.aabb, paddy, jmarting_TEF, ilkka, LauraA, Dom, Claes, Bryan_Sullivan, MarkM, +1.301.581.aadd, +1.202.436.aaee, jmorris,
16:19:11 <Zakim> ... +03491482aagg, richt, jmarting, maxf, +0492084aaii, marcin, Thomas, danielcoloma
16:19:16 <maxf> oops
16:19:18 <maxf> sorry
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