14:01:14 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 14:01:14 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-bpwg-irc 14:01:16 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:01:16 Zakim has joined #bpwg 14:01:18 Zakim, this will be BPWG 14:01:18 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes 14:01:19 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 14:01:19 Date: 02 March 2010 14:01:27 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/C7B1B782.9FA0%25daniel.appelquist@vodafone.com 14:02:37 Regrets: Kai, Alan, Yeliz, Jo, Jerome, Tom, Bruce, JeffS, Francois 14:32:03 DKA has joined #bpwg 14:32:16 a-hoi-hoi 14:32:47 adam has joined #bpwg 14:32:55 jo has joined #bpwg 14:33:01 zakim, code? 14:33:01 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), adam 14:33:10 joining call shortly... 14:33:36 EdC has joined #bpwg 14:33:37 rrsagent, pointer? 14:33:37 See http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-bpwg-irc#T14-33-37 14:34:11 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started 14:34:17 + +0207881aaaa 14:34:21 regrets- Jo 14:34:32 +DKA 14:34:52 + +41.31.972.aabb 14:35:18 +??P3 14:35:26 zakim, ??P3 is me 14:35:26 +jo; got it 14:35:30 zakim, aabb is edc 14:35:30 +edc; got it 14:35:36 zakim, who is here? 14:35:36 On the phone I see +0207881aaaa, DKA, edc, jo 14:35:37 On IRC I see EdC, jo, adam, DKA, Zakim, RRSAgent, dom, trackbot 14:35:45 zakim aaaa is me 14:35:55 SeanP has joined #bpwg 14:36:02 depeche toi, Dom 14:36:24 s/depeche toi, Dom// 14:36:29 +Dom 14:36:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Mar/0000.html 14:36:55 scribe Jo 14:36:58 depesche mode, Jo 14:37:04 s/scribe/scribe:/ 14:37:18 + +1.630.414.aacc 14:37:28 Zakim, aacc is me 14:37:28 +SeanP; got it 14:38:04 Topic: BP2 and implementation reports 14:38:13 Topic: Status Reports on BP2 14:38:16 zakim, mute jo 14:38:16 jo should now be muted 14:38:32 adam: lots of implementation reports from Google but have not seen any others 14:38:46 dka: we're working on one at vodafone 14:39:03 dom: anyone else working on anything? 14:39:42 dka: how about if Starbucks offered free coffee vouchers in return for implementation reports? (sic) 14:39:56 dka: how about transcoding vendors? 14:40:23 seanp: what are you looking for? 14:40:52 dka: not that you have to implement all of the bps, but if you can show you implemented some of them then it would help 14:41:20 seanp: so if any of the BPs are being followed in the process of transformation 14:41:26 dka: yeah 14:41:37 seanp: I'll check into it 14:41:54 dka: what about W3C? 14:42:09 dom: not sure, but would it help ref credibility? 14:42:25 dom: I'll look into it 14:42:42 dom: but don't think it will help ref CR 14:42:58 dom: quickly denies that he will look into it but that Francois will 14:43:38 adam: anyone have a contact with xxx? 14:43:49 dka: yes I do, I will contact them 14:43:59 s/xxx/FaceBook 14:44:09 dka: Facebook and Opera that is 14:44:26 Topic: CT Guidelines Update / Status / LC Comments 14:44:30 action: dan to contact facebook and Opera ref implementation reports for BP2 14:44:30 Created ACTION-1041 - Contact facebook and Opera ref implementation reports for BP2 [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-03-09]. 14:44:34 ack jo 14:44:57 Topic: CT Guidelines 14:45:49 zakim, mute EdC 14:45:49 edc should now be muted 14:46:09 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/ Comments 14:46:26 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/0010.html Thomas is happy 14:46:49 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/0012.html PFWG happy with two, looking for consensus on third 14:47:17 jo: PFWG is going back to consider the outstanding point 14:47:24 zakim, mute me 14:47:24 jo should now be muted 14:47:39 dom: they have till March 11 to come back on it 14:48:00 ack me 14:48:16 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/0011.html Anne's point on XMLHttpRequest 14:48:33 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/0013.html Eduardo's comment 14:48:40 dka: any other comments ... TAG ... ? 14:48:51 jo: no, nothing 14:49:30 zakim, mute me 14:49:30 jo should now be muted 14:49:57 dom: if we don't get feedback then we need to explain that we tried to reach them and there was no reply 14:50:15 ... director may ask questions, but basically we are done 14:50:25 ack me 14:51:00 jo: main concern is that we have no test suite 14:51:17 dka: someone needs to own the test suite 14:51:38 zakim, mute me 14:51:38 jo should now be muted 14:52:01 dom: given the time constraints, waiting means the document won't get finished 14:52:24 dka: is there some way we can all join in to fill this void? 14:52:39 ... what is the way forward, Dom? 14:53:31 dom: if people are implementing the guidelines they will need to do something like this, so how about checking with potential implementors to see if there is anything they can contribute 14:53:43 dka: so, Sean, is there anything you can share with the group 14:54:00 A potential issue is that whatever transcoder vendors and operators are doing are probably validation modules within their existing (probably proprietary or in-house) testing harnesses. 14:54:10 ... otherwise it will sit at CR for ever 14:54:35 ... which would be a shame (summary) 14:55:17 seanp: I have enquired as to whether I could take charge of the test suite, but not very positive as I am very busy 14:55:43 dka: but if you can contribute some tests of some sort then that would be useful 14:56:01 seanp: don't think we have any tests that match up exactly 14:56:41 ... we started work on it a while ago but have been waiting for other bits to stabilize 14:57:06 ... not clear that there is much vendor pull to complete 14:57:34 Test suites usually contain input data set (i.e. WWW pages and HTTP header), expected output specification (could be WWW pages with HTTP header fields), and a programmed mechanism to process input through a system under test and compare the outcome with expected results. I would expect the first element to be usable, possibly the second, but (except if it is really modular and made with open software) little from the third. 14:57:46 ... I will check on this and we want to see this at Rec so I will do my best 14:58:10 action: patterson to do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite 14:58:10 Created ACTION-1042 - Do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite [on Sean Patterson - due 2010-03-09]. 14:58:32 dka: sorry to pick on you Sean 14:58:57 EdC, I think the most important things is to 1 and 2 done; 3 is just the icing on the cake 14:59:04 s/to 1/to get 1/ 14:59:08 Topic: Issues and Actions tidy up 14:59:18 ack me 15:00:41 zakim, mute me 15:00:41 jo should now be muted 15:01:03 dka: er, perhaps we should defer this to another time 15:01:11 ack me 15:01:35 dka: er, OK, how often do we want calls from now on? 15:01:51 s/dka:/jo:/ 15:03:13 dka: how about we have calls as planned on 9th and 16th - not on 23rd, AC meeting, then resume on 30th 15:03:23 ... I wont be here on 16th 15:03:32 -Dom 15:03:33 -DKA 15:03:35 bye 15:03:37 - +0207881aaaa 15:03:41 [call adjourned] 15:03:42 -SeanP 15:03:47 zakim, drop me 15:03:47 jo is being disconnected 15:03:48 -jo 15:03:49 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended 15:03:50 Attendees were +0207881aaaa, DKA, +41.31.972.aabb, jo, edc, Dom, +1.630.414.aacc, SeanP 15:04:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 15:06:36 jo has left #bpwg 15:09:29 dom has left #bpwg