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14:01:03 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 14:01:03 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-irc 14:01:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:01:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332 14:01:08 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference 14:01:08 <trackbot> Date: 18 February 2010 14:01:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes 14:01:19 <manu> hey, fancy! 14:41:01 <ShaneM> ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:43:28 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0034.html 14:43:35 <manu> scribenick: ivan 14:43:52 <manu> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html 14:44:20 <manu> Regrets: Ben_Adida, Mark_Birbeck 14:44:24 <manu> Chair: Manu_Sporny 14:44:37 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes 14:44:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-minutes.html manu 14:56:02 <ivan> manu, you should look at http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual 14:56:28 <ivan> the rrsagent dump may not be necessary any more 14:56:45 <ivan> zakim, code? 14:56:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan 14:57:17 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip 14:57:17 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made 14:57:18 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:57:19 <Zakim> +Ivan 14:57:44 <Zakim> +??P19 14:57:50 <manu> zakim, I am ??P19 14:57:50 <Zakim> +manu; got it 14:57:57 <ivan> zakim, ??P19 is manu 14:57:57 <Zakim> I already had ??P19 as manu, ivan 14:58:59 <Zakim> +ShaneM 14:59:44 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-work 14:59:44 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made 14:59:46 <Zakim> +Steven 15:00:29 <Zakim> + +49.631.205.7.aaaa 15:01:09 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Benjamin 15:01:09 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it 15:01:23 <jeffs> jeffs has joined #rdfa 15:01:37 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:01:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, manu, ShaneM, Steven, Benjamin 15:02:56 <Zakim> + +1.585.278.aabb 15:03:07 <ivan> zakim, aabb is jeffs 15:03:07 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it 15:05:00 <Steven> trackbot, status 15:06:58 <ivan> Topic: Welcome 15:07:20 <ivan> manu: Benjamin is the only newby on W3C groups 15:07:26 <ivan> ... quick intros 15:07:32 <ivan> ... on what is expected 15:07:45 <ivan> ... we do most of the technical work on the mailing list 15:07:54 <ivan> ... the call is to discuss status and make decisions 15:08:05 <ivan> ... during the telco we depend on irc 15:08:09 <ivan> ... we minute things 15:08:18 <ivan> ... we have a rotating scribe schedule 15:08:24 <ivan> ... everyone will do some scribing 15:08:45 <ivan> ... we usually start the call by reviewing action items 15:08:57 <ivan> ... only those that are past due or can be called 15:09:03 <ivan> ... then we go item by item 15:09:22 <ivan> ... ivan will try:-) to minute everything 15:09:37 <ivan> ... people should call in their name in the first few meetings 15:09:54 <ivan> ... if you do not want something on minutes then you should warn the scribe 15:10:24 <Steven> q+ to show how it works 15:10:26 <ivan> ... If one needs to say something, use q+ on irc, and that will put on the queue, q- take off the queue 15:10:29 <Steven> ack Steven 15:10:29 <Zakim> Steven, you wanted to show how it works 15:10:37 <Steven> zakim, mute me 15:10:37 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted 15:10:44 <Steven> zakim, unmute me 15:10:44 <Zakim> Steven should no longer be muted 15:10:55 <ivan> manu: there are three pods: zakim for the telco, audio, etc 15:11:06 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html 15:11:07 <ivan> ... who is noisy, mute and unmute 15:11:08 <Steven> s/pods/bots/ 15:11:30 <ivan> manu: rrsagent is for setting minutes 15:11:59 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent 15:12:06 <ivan> Steven: rrsagent essentially logs the minutes in a file 15:12:09 <Zakim> -jeffs 15:12:18 <ivan> manu: there are a number of useful commands 15:12:36 <ivan> ... third is trackpod, tracking action items and issues 15:12:36 <Zakim> +jeffs 15:12:46 <ivan> ... it also has a web interface, too 15:12:55 <ivan> manu: any questions? 15:13:12 <Steven> s/trackpod/trackbot/ 15:13:33 <ivan> Topic: action items 15:13:40 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary 15:14:07 <Steven> action-1? 15:14:07 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Manu Sporny to create basic RDFa API document -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN 15:14:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/1 15:14:27 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions 15:14:53 <Steven> action-*? 15:14:54 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open is the open items 15:15:31 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/features 15:15:38 <manu> action-1? 15:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Manu Sporny to create basic RDFa API document -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN 15:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/1 15:15:39 <Steven> action-1 closed 15:15:40 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document closed 15:15:49 <manu> http://dev.w3.org/rdfa/specs/rdfa-dom-api.html 15:16:19 <manu> action-2? 15:16:19 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Manu Sporny to test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN 15:16:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/2 15:16:20 <ivan> action-2? 15:16:20 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Manu Sporny to test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN 15:16:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/2 15:16:24 <manu> action-2 closed 15:16:26 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers closed 15:17:04 <ivan> q+ 15:17:29 <manu> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/ 15:17:45 <Steven> ack I 15:18:51 <Zakim> + +03539149aacc 15:19:11 <Steven> comment action-1 Manu wrote the documen 15:19:32 <Steven> trackbot, comment action-1 Manu wrote the document 15:19:32 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document notes added 15:20:05 <Steven> zakim, aacc is Knud 15:20:05 <Zakim> +Knud; got it 15:20:30 <manu> trackbot, comment action-1 The RDFa API document is at http://dev.w3.org/rdfa/specs/rdfa-dom-api.html 15:20:30 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document notes added 15:20:35 <Steven> trackbot, status 15:20:40 <Knud> Knud has joined #rdfa 15:20:56 <Knud> hello, sorry for being late 15:21:52 <manu> trackbot, comment action-2 The CORS test is available here: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/ 15:21:52 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers notes added 15:22:12 <manu> trackbot, comment action-2 The CORS test results are available here: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/results 15:22:12 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers notes added 15:23:40 <ivan> action-6? 15:23:40 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Shane McCarron to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN 15:23:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/6 15:23:51 <ivan> manu: shane, any news on that? 15:23:58 <ivan> ShaneM: I have not done, continues 15:24:17 <ivan> manu: robin is the guy doing the spec.js, he is delighted that we use that 15:24:24 <ivan> ... a good pick 15:25:06 <ivan> topic: invited expersts 15:25:29 <ivan> manu: we have two experts waiting on whether they can join, benjamin nowack and toby inkster 15:25:53 <ivan> ... last time we were wondering, the member of invited experts were high compared to the member companies 15:26:06 <ivan> ... we have 3 ie-s and 9 companies 15:26:12 <ivan> ... so this time is better 15:27:19 <jeffs> if we have a preponderance of members represented and there is a clear *reason* to include *these particular people*, I tend towards the side of inclusion 15:29:35 <Zakim> +??P9 15:30:45 <Steven> zakim, ??P9 is John 15:30:45 <Zakim> +John; got it 15:33:04 <manu> ACTION: Manu to send Ivan Invited Expert proposals to Ivan. 15:33:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Send Ivan Invited Expert proposals to Ivan. [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-02-25]. 15:33:29 <jeffs> +1 to inclusion for both 15:34:32 <ivan> Topic: Plan for the wg 15:34:40 <ivan> manu: we have to have a fpwd in march 15:34:48 <ivan> ... according the charter/schedule 15:35:06 <ivan> ... rdfa 1.1, rdfa api 15:35:34 <ivan> ... the document does not have to be perfect, it is the sign that the public could look at it and comment it 15:35:51 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/#milestones 15:36:08 <ivan> ... shane, i am assuming that you will editor for rdfa1.1 15:36:14 <ivan> ... but I should not assume 15:36:17 <jeffs> I would be interested in working on "RDFa 1.1 API" and/or "RDFa in XHTML 1.1" 15:36:31 <ivan> ShaneM: i think it owuld be wise not to be the only critical path 15:36:42 <ivan> ... i am happy to move to a new toolset 15:37:02 <ivan> ... but maybe it is worth keeping the document in the old pubtools for fpwd 15:37:10 <ivan> s/owuld/would/ 15:37:37 <ivan> manu: the introduction on the mailing list were good because there might be interest in the cookbook and the primer 15:38:01 <ivan> ... john, if your interest is in the education, those documents are the good targets 15:38:24 <ivan> john: what are the timelines? 15:38:45 <ivan> manu: one months after the first three documents 15:38:57 <ivan> ... primer does not require much work to get it updated 15:39:15 <jeffs> put me in for primer 15:39:15 <ivan> ... I will need document on the api 15:39:43 <ivan> benjamin: I am interested for the api document 15:39:55 <Knud> primer and cookbook sound like something I'd like to work on 15:39:57 <ivan> manu: editing means of course some of the technical issue 15:40:20 <ivan> manu: any other concerns on the order we want to work on these 15:40:38 <ivan> ... rdfa core, rdfa xhtml and the api will be the first to look at 15:40:40 <jeffs> okay, so using irc as my memory I'll say I'm working on the "RDFa 1.1 Primer" and the "RDFa Usage Cookbook" 15:41:05 <ivan> manu: another item is publishing rdfa in html5 15:41:13 <ivan> ... that work is happening in the html wg 15:41:24 <ivan> ... we will have to make decisions on changes and updates 15:41:36 <ivan> ... including changes on the test suites for html 4 and 5 15:41:53 <ivan> ... i am assuming that the priority on the html5+rdfa will be lower than the rdfa core 15:42:03 <ivan> q+ 15:42:06 <Steven> q+ 15:42:58 <ivan> john: the question is the publishing of rdfa with pages and html, partly on the practicalities on how the bbc will use this and across pages 15:43:12 <ivan> ... within the way we will use rdfa will be very dynamic in the page 15:43:20 <ivan> ... it is a very dynamic element 15:43:40 <ivan> ... it is very difficult to render and keep the page fine without way to integrate it with html 15:43:44 <ivan> ... we have some ideas 15:43:56 <ivan> ... this is of interest to me 15:44:15 <ivan> ... this is actually the biggest problem in using it in a very dynamic environment 15:44:29 <ivan> manu: are you saying that you are mostly interested in the api? 15:44:40 <ivan> john: it may be that element 15:44:51 <ivan> ... it is also the integration with the html gorup 15:44:56 <ivan> q? 15:45:11 <ivan> manu: maybe sending more about this on the introductory email? 15:45:19 <Steven> q+ to ask about FtFs 15:45:37 <ivan> ... please definitely make it known if there is something you really want to have the group to work on 15:45:55 <manu> scribenick: manu 15:46:24 <manu> Ivan: I think that we need to keep HTML5 work at a high priority. 15:46:24 <ShaneM> Can someone please put on the list of stuff we have to do that we need to coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa? 15:46:40 <manu> Ivan: Any changes that we make to RDFa 1.1 should be synchronized with HTML+RDFa. 15:46:48 <ivan> scribenick: ivan 15:46:54 <manu> Ivan: don't know if it is realisitic or not, but we should focus on that. 15:47:14 <ivan> Steven: i think the html5 being in the back burner because it would give us more time 15:47:25 <ivan> ... another different issues are about f2f meetings 15:47:53 <ivan> manu: i did not plan for a f2f 15:47:57 <ivan> q+ 15:48:00 <Steven> ACTION: unassigned to ��01coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa?� 15:48:00 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 15:48:19 <manu> ack ivan 15:48:26 <manu> ack steven 15:48:26 <Zakim> Steven, you wanted to ask about FtFs 15:48:56 <ivan> ivan: tpac may be the week before iswc, which may make it difficult 15:49:11 <ivan> manu: the answer to steven's question is: we do not know... 15:49:26 <Steven> ACTION: unassigned ��01coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa?� 15:49:26 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 15:49:30 <ivan> ... if there are chances to meet at one of the conference, we should of course try to do it 15:49:39 <jeffs> even informal f2f mtgs are good 15:49:58 <ivan> manu: next week we will launch into the technical work 15:49:59 <Zakim> -ShaneM 15:50:22 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes 15:50:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-minutes.html ivan 15:50:34 <Zakim> -jeffs 15:50:37 <Zakim> -Steven 15:50:50 <manu> zakim, who is on the call? 15:50:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, manu, Benjamin, Knud, John 15:50:51 <Zakim> -Benjamin 15:50:52 <Zakim> -Ivan 15:50:53 <manu> zakim, who is on the call? 15:50:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu, Knud, John 15:53:28 <Steven> Ivan? 15:53:38 <ivan> yes 15:53:39 <ivan> ? 15:53:52 <Steven> Could you add this to the WG page in the navigation: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=44350 15:53:59 <Steven> and also the tracker list 15:54:39 <ivan> it is there (WG Links) 15:57:24 <ShaneM> Is there a space where we are going to put up drafts of documents? And if so, do I have jigedit access to it? 15:57:32 <ShaneM> and... if I don't... could I get it? 15:58:05 <ivan> shane, I am in the process of asking a cvs access for you under the rdfa wg page 15:58:58 <ShaneM> okay thanks. I think.. 16:00:53 <Steven> :-) 16:06:10 <Zakim> -manu 16:06:12 <Zakim> -Knud 16:06:14 <Zakim> -John 16:06:15 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 16:06:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, manu, ShaneM, Steven, +49.631.205.7.aaaa, Benjamin, +1.585.278.aabb, jeffs, +03539149aacc, Knud, John 16:30:46 <msporny> msporny has joined #rdfa 16:37:55 <CGI494> CGI494 has joined #rdfa 18:00:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdfa # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000240