RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 31 May 2012

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012May/0139.html
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Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Stéphane Corlosquet, Ted Thibodeau
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13:53:09 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:53:09 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2012
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14:04:40 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012May/0139.html
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14:05:36 <Steven_> Scribe: Steven

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14:05:43 <manu1> Topic: Last Minute Issues and Concerns

1. Last Minute Issues and Concerns

14:06:01 <Steven_> Manu: Are there any last minute issues or concerns about the RDFa 1.1 REC?

Manu Sporny: Are there any last minute issues or concerns about the RDFa 1.1 REC?

14:07:14 <Steven_> No last minute concerns or issues.

No last minute concerns or issues.

14:09:04 <manu1> Topic: RDFa 1.1 REC Documents and Publication

2. RDFa 1.1 REC Documents and Publication

14:09:06 <Steven_> Ivan: Hopefully nothing bad will happen between now and next Tuesday

Ivan Herman: Hopefully nothing bad will happen between now and next Tuesday

14:09:59 <Steven_> Manu: Status sections, and timing of primer

Manu Sporny: Status sections, and timing of primer

14:10:34 <Steven_> ... we want to publish the primer as a note, but I want it to have a bit more review

... we want to publish the primer as a note, but I want it to have a bit more review

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14:14:21 <Steven_> Manu: Can we update a primer after it's published as a Note?

Manu Sporny: Can we update a primer after it's published as a Note?

14:14:24 <Steven_> Steven: Yes

Steven Pemberton: Yes

14:15:00 <Steven_> Manu: So planning to publish next Thursday

Manu Sporny: So planning to publish next Thursday

14:15:19 <Steven_> ... status sections need to be included

... status sections need to be included

14:15:48 <Steven_> Steven: Status sections are Ivan's responsibility

Steven Pemberton: Status sections are Ivan's responsibility

14:15:54 <Steven_> Ivan: Yes, boilerplate is fine

Ivan Herman: Yes, boilerplate is fine

14:16:04 <Steven_> ... I'll check it tomorrow

... I'll check it tomorrow

14:16:09 <ShaneM> it is here: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/Overview-src.html - already done.

Shane McCarron: it is here: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-core/Overview-src.html - already done.

14:16:53 <Steven_> Ivan: We have to send an official pub request

Ivan Herman: We have to send an official pub request

14:17:51 <Steven_> ... I have it prepared

... I have it prepared

14:19:14 <Steven_> ... but I am at Semtech on the day it needs to be sent, so I'd prefer someone else to do it

... but I am at Semtech on the day it needs to be sent, so I'd prefer someone else to do it

14:19:58 <Steven_> ... and I would like Manu and Shane to be around to answer questions from the webmaster

... and I would like Manu and Shane to be around to answer questions from the webmaster

14:20:36 <Steven_> Manu: Will do, Shane and I will be on call for the publication. No call next week.

Manu Sporny: Will do, Shane and I will be on call for the publication. No call next week.

14:20:58 <Steven_> ... but two or more meetings before the group ends in July.

... but two or more meetings before the group ends in July.

14:25:22 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:29:00 <Steven_> [Discussion on which email list to use; decided on public-rdfa@w3.org]

[Discussion on which email list to use; decided on public-rdfa@w3.org]

14:29:15 <Steven_> Shane: No link to errata in lite. OK to add?

Shane McCarron: No link to errata in lite. OK to add?

14:29:18 <Steven_> Manu: Yes, please do.

Manu Sporny: Yes, please do.

14:29:22 <manu1> Topic: RDFa 1.1 Press and Blog Posts

3. RDFa 1.1 Press and Blog Posts

14:30:02 <Steven_> Manu: Press we have lined up is the announcement at Semtech

Manu Sporny: Press we have lined up is the announcement at Semtech

14:30:18 <Steven_> ... and another article

... and another article

14:30:28 <Steven_> ... anyone else planning press/posts?

... anyone else planning press/posts?

14:31:06 <Steven_> Ivan: There's a panel at Semtech, where it will be mentioned

Ivan Herman: There's a panel at Semtech, where it will be mentioned

14:31:34 <Steven_> Manu: Will that be scribed?

Manu Sporny: Will that be scribed?

14:31:41 <Steven_> Ivan: Dunno

Ivan Herman: Dunno

14:32:00 <Steven_> Ivan: And there is the question of a W3C press-release

Ivan Herman: And there is the question of a W3C press-release

14:32:43 <Steven_> ... we're reaching out to companies to see if it is possible.

... we're reaching out to companies to see if it is possible.

14:35:01 <Steven_> ... it might happen if we get enough company support.

... it might happen if we get enough company support.

14:35:36 <Steven_> Manu: We can plan something for in a week or so, I'm working on contacts

Manu Sporny: We can plan something for in a week or so, I'm working on contacts

14:36:06 <Steven_> Manu: and keep announcements coming

Manu Sporny: and keep announcements coming

14:37:04 <Steven_> Steven: Is the old content on rdfa.info around? The blog and wiki?

Steven Pemberton: Is the old content on rdfa.info around? The blog and wiki?

14:37:12 <Steven_> Manu: We have an archive, but it's not up

Manu Sporny: We have an archive, but it's not up

14:37:20 <Steven_> Steven: So old URLs are currently broken

Steven Pemberton: So old URLs are currently broken

14:37:34 <Steven_> Manu: Yeah, for now

Manu Sporny: Yeah, for now

14:39:08 <Steven_> Steven: Are we publishing on rdfa.info?

Steven Pemberton: Are we publishing on rdfa.info?

14:39:23 <Steven_> Manu: No, on your own blog, or on news sites.

Manu Sporny: No, on your own blog, or on news sites.

14:39:59 <Steven_> Shane: Note that the specs use xhtml+rdfa, and it's worth pointing it out

Shane McCarron: Note that the specs use xhtml+rdfa, and it's worth pointing it out

14:40:09 <Steven_> Ivan: And the primer

Ivan Herman: And the primer

14:42:19 <Steven_> gkellogg: RDF and SPARQL WGs should use it as well

Gregg Kellogg: RDF and SPARQL WGs should use it as well

14:42:24 <Steven_> Shane: Good idea!

Shane McCarron: Good idea!

14:43:06 <manu1> Topic: RDF API and RDFa API publication

4. RDF API and RDFa API publication

14:43:18 <Steven_> Manu: Publishing as notes

Manu Sporny: Publishing as notes

14:43:23 <Steven_> ... just requires time

... just requires time

14:45:53 <Steven_> Ivan: It is a valuable document, and actually already usable

Ivan Herman: It is a valuable document, and actually already usable

14:46:37 <manu1> Topic: @role attribute

5. @role attribute

14:46:50 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

14:46:54 <Steven_> Shane: PFWG owns this, need to decide how @vocab and default prefix apply to them.

Shane McCarron: PFWG owns this, need to decide how @vocab and default prefix apply to them.

14:46:55 <niklasl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Feb/0069.html

Niklas Lindström: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Feb/0069.html

14:46:57 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

14:47:00 <Steven_> ... what should we do?

... what should we do?

14:47:24 <Steven_> Niklas: vocab shouldn't apply to role

Niklas Lindström: vocab shouldn't apply to role

14:47:32 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

14:47:44 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about role and vocab

Shane McCarron: q+ to talk about role and vocab

14:48:32 <Steven_> Ivan: The role people have a bunch of values they want to use

Ivan Herman: The role people have a bunch of values they want to use

14:48:53 <Steven_> ... role should behave as if the vocab is set to xhv

... role should behave as if the vocab is set to xhv

14:48:58 <Steven_> Niklas: Agree

Niklas Lindström: Agree

14:49:23 <manu1> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

14:49:23 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about role and vocab

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14:49:56 <Steven_> Shane: the intention was that role would have a collection of reserved words in the xhv space

Shane McCarron: the intention was that role would have a collection of reserved words in the xhv space

14:50:09 <Steven_> ... ARIA relies heavily on @role

... ARIA relies heavily on @role

14:50:13 <Steven_> ... they already use it

... they already use it

14:50:27 <Steven_> ... they want to be able to extend the collection

... they want to be able to extend the collection

14:50:41 <Steven_> ... and cite predefined roles without anything special

... and cite predefined roles without anything special

14:51:00 <Steven_> ... It's fine if vocab doesn't apply, as long as prefix applies

... It's fine if vocab doesn't apply, as long as prefix applies

14:51:10 <Steven_> ... and full URIs work

... and full URIs work

14:51:57 <Steven_> Ivan: This means that RDFa implementations won't look at @role

Ivan Herman: This means that RDFa implementations won't look at @role

14:52:00 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

14:52:28 <Steven_> Shane: I'm ok with that

Shane McCarron: I'm ok with that

14:53:29 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:53:36 <ivan> ack niklasl

Ivan Herman: ack niklasl

14:54:02 <Steven_> Niklas: In atom @rel is always set to IANA relations

Niklas Lindström: In atom @rel is always set to IANA relations

14:54:18 <Steven_> Manu: That is a parallel issue

Manu Sporny: That is a parallel issue

14:54:38 <Steven_> ... are you suggesting we use that as a model for how to deal with @role?

... are you suggesting we use that as a model for how to deal with @role?

14:55:37 <Steven_> Niklas: We need to think about the future and increasing possibilities

Niklas Lindström: We need to think about the future and increasing possibilities

14:55:52 <Steven_> Ivan: That is for RDFa2

Ivan Herman: That is for RDFa2

14:57:05 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

14:57:22 <Steven_> Ivan: With 4 minutes to go, should we try to do RDFa+Atom as a note?

Ivan Herman: With 4 minutes to go, should we try to do RDFa+Atom as a note?

14:57:30 <Steven_> Manu: We need to review it

Manu Sporny: We need to review it

14:57:46 <Steven_> Ivan: I have implemented it, it is doable

Ivan Herman: I have implemented it, it is doable

14:59:17 <Steven_> Manu: Should we publish it as a note?

Manu Sporny: Should we publish it as a note?

14:59:58 <Steven_> Gregg: Future discussion

Gregg Kellogg: Future discussion

15:00:37 <Steven_> Manu: We should pull in Sam Ruby and Toby Inkster

Manu Sporny: We should pull in Sam Ruby and Toby Inkster

15:00:41 <ShaneM> w.r.t role - I am changing the spec to read:  <li>Each value of <aref>role</aref> is an <em>object</em>, forming an

Shane McCarron: w.r.t role - I am changing the spec to read: <li>Each value of <aref>role</aref> is an <em>object</em>, forming an

15:00:41 <ShaneM>     RDF triple with the subject and predicate defined above. An RDFa Processor MUST behave as if there is an in-scope vocabulary of <code>http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/</code> for the value(s) of the <aref>role</aref> attribute.</li>

Shane McCarron: RDF triple with the subject and predicate defined above. An RDFa Processor MUST behave as if there is an in-scope vocabulary of <code>http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/</code> for the value(s) of the <aref>role</aref> attribute.</li>

15:00:55 <Steven_> No call next week.

No call next week.

15:01:17 <Steven_> Manu: Thanks all!

Manu Sporny: Thanks all!

15:01:32 <Steven_> [ADJOURN]

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15:01:55 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: no telco planned for the 7th of June

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15:01:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been scor, Ivan, gkellogg, manu1, MacTed, niklasl, Steven_, ShaneM

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