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13:51:07 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-rdfa-irc
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13:51:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:51:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 7332 ←
13:51:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes ←
13:51:12 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:51:12 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2011
13:51:12 <manu1> Guest: Stéphane (scor) Corlosquet
13:51:12 <manu1> Guest: Henri (bergie) Bergius
13:51:12 <manu1> Guest: Niklas (lindstream) Lindström
13:54:16 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started ←
13:54:24 <Zakim> + +44.123.456.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.123.456.aaaa ←
13:54:33 <SebastianGermesin> zakim, i am aaaa
Sebastian Germesin: zakim, i am aaaa ←
13:54:34 <Zakim> +SebastianGermesin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SebastianGermesin; got it ←
13:57:35 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
13:57:53 <gkellogg> zakim, +??P5 is gkellogg
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, +??P5 is gkellogg ←
13:57:53 <Zakim> sorry, gkellogg, I do not recognize a party named '+??P5'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gkellogg, I do not recognize a party named '+??P5' ←
13:57:54 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:58:05 <gkellogg> zakim, i am +??P5
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, i am +??P5 ←
13:58:05 <Zakim> sorry, gkellogg, I do not see a party named '+??P5'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gkellogg, I do not see a party named '+??P5' ←
13:58:08 <Zakim> +scor
Zakim IRC Bot: +scor ←
13:58:19 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:58:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ??P5, ??P6, scor
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ??P5, ??P6, scor ←
13:58:22 <gkellogg> zakim, i am ??P5
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, i am ??P5 ←
13:58:23 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it ←
13:58:41 <lindstream> zakim, I am +??P6
Niklas Lindström: zakim, I am +??P6 ←
13:58:41 <Zakim> sorry, lindstream, I do not see a party named '+??P6'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, lindstream, I do not see a party named '+??P6' ←
13:58:55 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
13:59:00 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P12
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P12 ←
13:59:00 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←
13:59:08 <lindstream> zakim, I am ??P6
Niklas Lindström: zakim, I am ??P6 ←
13:59:09 <Zakim> +lindstream; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +lindstream; got it ←
13:59:51 <scor> zakim, who is on the phone
Stéphane Corlosquet: zakim, who is on the phone ←
13:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', scor
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', scor ←
13:59:58 <scor> zakim, who is on the phone?
Stéphane Corlosquet: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:59:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1 ←
14:00:33 <gkellogg> scribe: gkellogg
(Scribe set to Gregg Kellogg)
14:00:46 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:00:48 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:00:53 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb ←
14:00:55 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:00:55 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
14:00:57 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:57 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:01:19 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1, Steven, MacTed (muted), +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1, Steven, MacTed (muted), +3539149aabb ←
14:01:27 <Knud> zakim, I am +aabb
Knud Möller: zakim, I am +aabb ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aabb' ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:01:35 <Knud> zakim, I am aabb
Knud Möller: zakim, I am aabb ←
14:01:41 <Zakim> +tomayac
Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac ←
14:01:50 <Zakim> +Knud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud; got it ←
14:01:55 <ShaneM> zakim, I am ??P34
Shane McCarron: zakim, I am ??P34 ←
14:01:57 <Knud> zakim, mute me
Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←
14:02:13 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←
14:02:17 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
14:02:31 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html ←
14:03:26 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:03:39 <Zakim> + +358.405.25aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +358.405.25aacc ←
14:03:39 <scor> scribe: scor
(Scribe set to Stéphane Corlosquet)
14:03:43 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jul/0042.html
14:03:49 <bergie> zakim, I am aacc
Henri Bergius: zakim, I am aacc ←
14:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1, Steven, MacTed (muted), Knud (muted), ShaneM, tomayac, +358.405.25aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, gkellogg, lindstream, scor, manu1, Steven, MacTed (muted), Knud (muted), ShaneM, tomayac, +358.405.25aacc ←
14:04:03 <bergie> zakim, mute me
Henri Bergius: zakim, mute me ←
14:04:22 <Zakim> +bergie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bergie; got it ←
14:04:22 <Steven> agenda?
Steven Pemberton: agenda? ←
14:04:31 <Zakim> bergie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bergie should now be muted ←
14:05:03 <Steven> http://www.doodle.com/87nkyax5q5bma698#table
Steven Pemberton: http://www.doodle.com/87nkyax5q5bma698#table ←
14:05:20 <scor> manu1: any change to the agenda?
Manu Sporny: any change to the agenda? ←
14:07:35 <scor_> manu1: everyone ok for having a call on Aug 4th?
Manu Sporny: everyone ok for having a call on Aug 4th? ←
14:07:36 <bergie> I *may* be able to join Aug 4th, but not sure
Henri Bergius: I *may* be able to join Aug 4th, but not sure ←
14:07:53 <scor_> manu1: Aug 4th is the only telecon which might be cancelled
Manu Sporny: Aug 4th is the only telecon which might be cancelled ←
14:08:34 <scor_> Topic: structured-data.org update
14:09:14 <scor_> http://linter.structured-data.org/
http://linter.structured-data.org/ ←
14:09:17 <manu1> I owe you guys a front-page...
Manu Sporny: I owe you guys a front-page... ←
14:09:18 <gkellogg> Linter - http://linter.structured-data.org/
Gregg Kellogg: Linter - http://linter.structured-data.org/ ←
14:10:10 <scor_> scor_: hope to launch early next week
Stéphane Corlosquet: hope to launch early next week ←
14:10:53 <scor_> gkellogg: mimic google rich snippets. schema.org is todo, plus other schemas like FOAF, SIOC
Gregg Kellogg: mimic google rich snippets. schema.org is todo, plus other schemas like FOAF, SIOC ←
14:11:13 <scor_> manu1: fantastic to work on that, should be beneficial for lots of people
Manu Sporny: fantastic to work on that, should be beneficial for lots of people ←
14:11:53 <scor_> manu1: we want to get Microdata and microformats folks on board, ensure that they have edit/mod privileges to the website, but I have not been successful so far (very busy and missed them on IRC)
Manu Sporny: we want to get Microdata and microformats folks on board, ensure that they have edit/mod privileges to the website, but I have not been successful so far (very busy and missed them on IRC) ←
14:12:26 <tomayac> ok w/ me
Thomas Steiner: ok w/ me ←
14:12:35 <bergie> looks good
Henri Bergius: looks good ←
14:12:35 <scor_> manu1: any concerns with including other groups? and launch early next week anyways?
Manu Sporny: any concerns with including other groups? and launch early next week anyways? ←
14:13:11 <scor_> gkellogg: we don't have microformats now (no parser available). if anyone has pointers to parser (XSLT maybe)
Gregg Kellogg: we don't have microformats now (no parser available). if anyone has pointers to parser (XSLT maybe) ←
14:13:19 <scor_> manu1: not much available
Manu Sporny: not much available ←
14:13:55 <scor_> Topic: Microdata/RDF conversion
14:14:54 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:14:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
14:15:26 <Steven> Chair: Manu
14:15:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:15:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
14:16:55 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
14:18:27 <ShaneM> q+
Shane McCarron: q+ ←
14:18:37 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
14:18:49 <gkellogg> Topic with Hixie comment: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115203359751471044302/posts/92VKitpppB4
Gregg Kellogg: Topic with Hixie comment: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115203359751471044302/posts/92VKitpppB4 ←
14:18:59 <scor_> manu1: the RDF conversion steps could be removed the RDF processing rules from the microdata specs
Manu Sporny: the RDF conversion steps could be removed the RDF processing rules from the microdata specs ←
14:19:34 <bergie> q+
Henri Bergius: q+ ←
14:19:42 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
Shane McCarron: ack ShaneM ←
14:19:51 <manu1> ack bergie
Manu Sporny: ack bergie ←
14:19:51 <bergie> zakim, unmute me
Henri Bergius: zakim, unmute me ←
14:19:54 <Zakim> bergie was not muted, bergie
Zakim IRC Bot: bergie was not muted, bergie ←
14:20:25 <scor_> bergie: if the RDF processing were to be removed from microdata, we would end up with 2 separate formats - that might be bad.
Henri Bergius: if the RDF processing were to be removed from microdata, we would end up with 2 separate formats - that might be bad. ←
14:20:36 <bergie> zakim, mute me
Henri Bergius: zakim, mute me ←
14:20:36 <Zakim> bergie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bergie should now be muted ←
14:20:37 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:20:38 <scor_> bergie: then would people both with RDFa at all for SEO?
Henri Bergius: then would people bother with RDFa at all for SEO? ←
14:20:45 <scor_> s/both/bother
14:21:26 <manu1> zakim, who is making noise?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:21:37 <Zakim> manu1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: lindstream (46%), scor (15%)
Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: lindstream (46%), scor (15%) ←
14:21:43 <bergie> the advantage for microdata not being RDF would of course be clarity: you do schema.org microdata only for SEO, RDFa for linked data
Henri Bergius: the advantage for microdata not being RDF would of course be clarity: you do schema.org microdata only for SEO, RDFa for linked data ←
14:22:06 <ShaneM> I do agree that if microdata stops having an RDF mapping it would be a good thing
Shane McCarron: I do agree that if microdata stops having an RDF mapping it would be a good thing ←
14:22:13 <scor_> lindstream: could there be one monolithic format for schema.org as a subset of RDFa 1.1?
Niklas Lindström: could there be one monolithic format for schema.org as a subset of RDFa 1.1? ←
14:23:24 <scor_> manu1: if the RDF steps are removed from microdata, this might be enough to avoid forming the W3C TAG RDFa/Microdata TF.
Manu Sporny: if the RDF steps are removed from microdata, this might be enough to avoid forming the W3C TAG RDFa/Microdata TF. ←
14:23:59 <scor_> manu1: but then, people might think that there is no reason to implement RDFa for SEO because it seems more complex (but has roughly the same level of complexity as Microdata for the schema.org use cases). However, there are other important use cases for RDFa - universal data model for the web, publishing data via your website in a way that is compatible with Linked Data and with larger systems that integrate data. There are good reasons for picking each technology - Microformats if you want to publish basic information or dip your toes into the lower-case semantic web. Microdata if you want something a bit more advanced than Microformats and something that will work with schema.org w/ a simple API. RDFa if you want something that is designed for Linked Data, the upper-case Semantic Web, allows you to create your own Web vocabularies, allows you to do vocabulary mixing easily, works with big data.
Manu Sporny: but then, people might think that there is no reason to implement RDFa for SEO because it seems more complex (but has roughly the same level of complexity as Microdata for the schema.org use cases). However, there are other important use cases for RDFa - universal data model for the web, publishing data via your website in a way that is compatible with Linked Data and with larger systems that integrate data. There are good reasons for picking each technology - Microformats if you want to publish basic information or dip your toes into the lower-case semantic web. Microdata if you want something a bit more advanced than Microformats and something that will work with schema.org w/ a simple API. RDFa if you want something that is designed for Linked Data, the upper-case Semantic Web, allows you to create your own Web vocabularies, allows you to do vocabulary mixing easily, works with big data. ←
14:25:23 <manu1> Topic: Alternate @profile proposals
14:25:25 <lindstream> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jul/0048.html
Niklas Lindström: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jul/0048.html ←
14:26:33 <scor_> lindstream: profiles are complex. primary suggestion (item #2) is to move mapping of terms from a syntax level to a semantic level
Niklas Lindström: profiles are complex. primary suggestion (item #2) is to move mapping of terms from a syntax level to a semantic level ←
14:26:53 <scor_> lindstream: use the vocab attr only. and instead describe vocabularies which import other terms
Niklas Lindström: use the vocab attr only. and instead describe vocabularies which import other terms ←
14:27:14 <scor_> lindstream: like schema.org and ogp, they define every single term that they think people will need
Niklas Lindström: like schema.org and ogp, they define every single term that they think people will need ←
14:28:07 <scor_> lindstream: it's vocabulary design, as opposed to embeding vocab definitions in RDFa
Niklas Lindström: it's vocabulary design, as opposed to embeding vocab definitions in RDFa ←
14:28:20 <scor_> lindstream: markup would look more like microdata
Niklas Lindström: markup would look more like microdata ←
14:28:28 <manu1> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
14:28:33 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:29:07 <scor_> manu1: at the time, we didn't see problems or any danger with profiles
Manu Sporny: at the time, we didn't see problems or any danger with profiles ←
14:29:43 <tomayac> looking at your gist, lindstream: https://gist.github.com/1092350
Thomas Steiner: looking at your gist, lindstream: https://gist.github.com/1092350 ←
14:29:50 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:30:05 <scor_> manu1: in your email, you provide a mechanism to define terms. solution #2 is interesting for the RDF people (the rest don't care because it's close to microdata syntax)
Manu Sporny: in your email, you provide a mechanism to define terms. solution #2 is interesting for the RDF people (the rest don't care because it's close to microdata syntax) ←
14:30:37 <manu1> ack manu1
Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←
14:31:00 <tomayac> is this something like inlined grddl?
Thomas Steiner: is this something like inlined grddl? ←
14:32:35 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
14:32:37 <scor_> lindstream: solution #2 specifies a new emerging pattern for the semantic web (broader than RDFa)
Niklas Lindström: solution #2 specifies a new emerging pattern for the semantic web (broader than RDFa) ←
14:32:50 <scor_> lindstream: great value in linking terms from your vocabs to other vocabs
Niklas Lindström: great value in linking terms from your vocabs to other vocabs ←
14:33:38 <scor_> lindstream: defining this mapping vocabulary is for the benefit of the general RDF community
Niklas Lindström: defining this mapping vocabulary is for the benefit of the general RDF community ←
14:33:40 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:33:53 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#RDFSRules
Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#RDFSRules ←
14:34:50 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:34:57 <scor_> gkellogg: some of the RDFS entailment rules would accomplish the same thing. we could generate a subset vocab for class and properties.
Gregg Kellogg: some of the RDFS entailment rules would accomplish the same thing. we could generate a subset vocab for class and properties. ←
14:34:59 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
14:35:45 <scor_> lindstream: good point, will include that in my next email. chicken and egg: you produce triples intended to be remapped, which won't be remapped until other use the same mechanism
Niklas Lindström: good point, will include that in my next email. chicken and egg: you produce triples intended to be remapped, which won't be remapped until other use the same mechanism ←
14:36:34 <scor_> manu1: there were a few concerns about remove profiles
Manu Sporny: there were a few concerns about removing profiles ←
14:36:46 <scor_> s/remove/removing
14:36:54 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:37:08 <scor_> manu1: people who want to keep profiles are ShaneM and the ePub folks
Manu Sporny: people who want to keep profiles are ShaneM and the ePub folks ←
14:37:12 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:37:59 <scor_> lindstream: I looked at the ePub spec, it didn't seem too tricky to tweak their work and avoid profiles, and use vocab instead. I will look at that.
Niklas Lindström: I looked at the ePub spec, it didn't seem too tricky to tweak their work and avoid profiles, and use vocab instead. I will look at that. ←
14:38:22 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:38:38 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:38:50 <scor_> manu1: negative: the initial RDF graph you get from the RDFa is not as complete as the one you would using RDFS
Manu Sporny: negative: the initial RDF graph you get from the RDFa is not as complete as the one you would using RDFS ←
14:41:07 <scor_> lindstream: from asking people to reference multiple vocabs in your page, we ask them to reference these other vocabs via an intermediary vocabulary (defined according to the mapping mecahnism)
Niklas Lindström: from asking people to reference multiple vocabs in your page, we ask them to reference these other vocabs via an intermediary vocabulary (defined according to the mapping mecahnism) ←
14:41:12 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:41:23 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:42:17 <scor_> manu1: what are you thoughts Shane?
Manu Sporny: what are you thoughts Shane? ←
14:42:59 <scor_> ShaneM: I've sent an email about my concerns. main point: there has to be a way for authors what they mean to say when using a term
Shane McCarron: I've sent an email about my concerns. main point: there has to be a way for authors what they mean to say when using a term ←
14:43:07 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
14:43:23 <manu1> 1. Why is waiting for all @profile documents to load and then proceeding a bad thing? What makes it technically challenging to implement in a browser?
Manu Sporny: 1. Why is waiting for all @profile documents to load and then proceeding a bad thing? What makes it technically challenging to implement in a browser? ←
14:43:25 <manu1> 2. Is there an announcement mechanism for RDFa Core 1.1? We removed @version and pseudo-replaced it with @profile. Do we need to re-introduce @version? If we don't do this, an RDFa 2.0 processor may accidentally corrupt the intent of an RDFa 1.1 document.
Manu Sporny: 2. Is there an announcement mechanism for RDFa Core 1.1? We removed @version and pseudo-replaced it with @profile. Do we need to re-introduce @version? If we don't do this, an RDFa 2.0 processor may accidentally corrupt the intent of an RDFa 1.1 document. ←
14:43:28 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
14:44:05 <scor_> gkellogg: re relying on another mapping document. the original reason for this discussion is the need to load the profile during the parsing of the HTML document.
Gregg Kellogg: re relying on another mapping document. the original reason for this discussion is the need to load the profile during the parsing of the HTML document. ←
14:44:08 <manu1> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
14:44:11 <manu1> ack manu1
Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←
14:45:37 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:46:08 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:46:08 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:46:11 <scor_> gkellogg: if you have the need to operate on the inferred triples, you still have a (weaker) dependency on the vocabulary
Gregg Kellogg: if you have the need to operate on the inferred triples, you still have a (weaker) dependency on the vocabulary ←
14:46:19 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:46:27 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:47:13 <scor_> MacTed: there has to be external dependencies no matter what, which have to be dereferenced later
Ted Thibodeau: there has to be external dependencies no matter what, which have to be dereferenced later ←
14:47:32 <MacTed> q-
Ted Thibodeau: q- ←
14:47:32 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
14:47:35 <manu1> ack MacTed
Manu Sporny: ack MacTed ←
14:48:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:48:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:48:22 <scor_> lindstream: main point: these dependencies are on the semantic level, not at the parsing level. might break when using the follow your noise, but we always have triple we can operate on
Niklas Lindström: main point: these dependencies are on the semantic level, not at the parsing level. might break when using the follow your nose, but we always have triple we can operate on ←
14:49:22 <Steven> s/noise/nose/
14:50:02 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
14:50:32 <scor_> gkellogg: this mechanism processing rules and remove dependencies during that processing
Gregg Kellogg: this mechanism processing rules and remove dependencies during that processing ←
14:51:04 <scor_> manu1: right, it does not remove the need to do follow your nose, but it puts in a the background, and people who want to use it can just do it
Manu Sporny: right, it does not remove the need to do follow your nose, but it puts in a the background, and people who want to use it can just do it ←
14:51:44 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
14:51:45 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about follow your nose
Shane McCarron: q+ to ask about follow your nose ←
14:51:57 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
14:52:14 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:52:20 <manu1> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
14:52:20 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about follow your nose
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to ask about follow your nose ←
14:52:29 <scor_> gkellogg: if we do use something like RDFS, the original statement does not get erased, it gets added
Gregg Kellogg: if we do use something like RDFS, the original statement does not get erased, it gets added ←
14:53:08 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:53:18 <scor_> manu1: how does the RDFa API handle the RDFS rules? We'll have to discuss that in the future.
Manu Sporny: how does the RDFa API handle the RDFS rules? We'll have to discuss that in the future. ←
14:55:27 <manu1> STRAW POLL: Drop @profile as it is defined now, and replace it with Niklas' @vocab proposal (#2 item in his e-mail - proxy vocabularies)
Manu Sporny: STRAW POLL: Drop @profile as it is defined now, and replace it with Niklas' @vocab proposal (#2 item in his e-mail - proxy vocabularies) ←
14:55:49 <manu1> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:55:51 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
14:55:51 <SebastianGermesin> +1
Sebastian Germesin: +1 ←
14:55:52 <Steven> +0
Steven Pemberton: +0 ←
14:55:53 <lindstream> +1
Niklas Lindström: +1 ←
14:55:54 <bergie> +1
Henri Bergius: +1 ←
14:55:54 <scor_> scor: +1
Stéphane Corlosquet: +1 ←
14:55:57 <tomayac> 0 (no opinion really)
Thomas Steiner: 0 (no opinion really) ←
14:56:05 <ShaneM> +0
Shane McCarron: +0 ←
14:56:07 <Knud> +1
Knud Möller: +1 ←
14:56:55 <MacTed> +0 insufficiently considered for me to decide
Ted Thibodeau: +0 insufficiently considered for me to decide ←
14:57:10 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:57:10 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:57:31 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:57:32 <scor_> manu1: looks like a consensus, but we should ask other groups like IPTC, Google and Facebook
Manu Sporny: looks like a consensus, but we should ask other groups like IPTC, Google and Facebook ←
14:57:40 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
14:57:56 <scor_> lindstream: we should consider the proposal #1
Niklas Lindström: we should consider the proposal #1 ←
14:58:59 <scor_> manu1: Nathan said it was not possible in RDFa, but I can't recall his reasoning....
Manu Sporny: Nathan said it was not possible in RDFa, but I can't recall his reasoning.... ←
14:59:20 <lindstream> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:59:21 <manu1> prefix="title: http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
Manu Sporny: prefix="title: http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/" ←
14:59:53 <manu1> property="title" or property="dc:title"
Manu Sporny: property="title" or property="dc:title" ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:00:01 <manu1> ack lindstream
Manu Sporny: ack lindstream ←
15:00:21 <ShaneM> prefix=":title http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
Shane McCarron: prefix=":title http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/" ←
15:00:30 <lindstream> prefix=":title http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
Niklas Lindström: prefix=":title http://purl.org/dc/terms/title dc: http://purl.org/dc/terms/" ←
15:01:04 <scor_> manu1: can't we remove the : in the prefix list? Let's kick this discussion onto the mailing list.
Manu Sporny: can't we remove the : in the prefix list? Let's kick this discussion onto the mailing list. ←
15:03:27 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:03:33 <Zakim> -manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1 ←
15:03:36 <Zakim> -SebastianGermesin
Zakim IRC Bot: -SebastianGermesin ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> -tomayac
Zakim IRC Bot: -tomayac ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> -scor
Zakim IRC Bot: -scor ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> -bergie
Zakim IRC Bot: -bergie ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
15:03:49 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:04:03 <Zakim> -lindstream
Zakim IRC Bot: -lindstream ←
15:04:05 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:04:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.123.456.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, scor, gkellogg, manu1, lindstream, Steven, +3539149aabb, MacTed, tomayac, Knud, ShaneM, +358.405.25aacc, bergie
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +44.123.456.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, scor, gkellogg, manu1, lindstream, Steven, +3539149aabb, MacTed, tomayac, Knud, ShaneM, +358.405.25aacc, bergie ←
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