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13:03:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
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13:03:15 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:03:15 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2011
13:03:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
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13:54:59 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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13:55:07 <Zakim> + +49.681.857.75.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.681.857.75.aaaa ←
13:55:25 <SebastianGermesin> Zakim, I am +49.681.857.75.aaaa
Sebastian Germesin: Zakim, I am +49.681.857.75.aaaa ←
13:55:25 <Zakim> +SebastianGermesin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SebastianGermesin; got it ←
13:59:58 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:00:07 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P10 is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, ??P10 is ShaneM ←
14:00:07 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←
14:01:16 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:01:19 <manu> zakim, I am ??P13
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P13 ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
14:01:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:01:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:01:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:02:54 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:02:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan ←
14:03:17 <steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:03:17 <Zakim> ok, steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, steven; the call is being made ←
14:03:19 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:03:59 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven ←
14:05:33 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb ←
14:05:44 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0030.html
14:05:46 <Knud> zakim, mute me
Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←
14:05:47 <manu> Chair: Manu
14:05:49 <manu> Scribe: Knud
(Scribe set to Knud Möller)
14:06:02 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:06:13 <Knud> zakim, I am +aabb
zakim, I am +aabb ←
14:06:13 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aabb' ←
14:06:19 <manu> Present: Manu, Shane, Steven, Ivan, Knud, Sebastian, Ted
14:06:32 <ivan> zakim, 3539149aabb is Knud
Ivan Herman: zakim, 3539149aabb is Knud ←
14:06:32 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aabb' ←
14:06:36 <manu> zakim, aabb is Knud
Manu Sporny: zakim, aabb is Knud ←
14:06:36 <Zakim> +Knud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud; got it ←
14:06:40 <Knud> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
14:06:40 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
14:08:31 <Knud> manu: Received quite a bit of feedback due to schema.org - people would like to help out, but don't know what to help with / work on. We should chat about that a bit today. But first, some administrative issues...
Manu Sporny: Received quite a bit of feedback due to schema.org - people would like to help out, but don't know what to help with / work on. We should chat about that a bit today. But first, some administrative issues... ←
14:09:12 <Knud> everyone is happy with agenda
everyone is happy with agenda ←
14:09:20 <manu> Topic: 'dc' prefix in RDFa Default Profile
14:09:53 <Knud> ivan: proposal for 11 default prefixes, based on search results
Ivan Herman: proposal for 11 default prefixes, based on search results ←
14:10:28 <Knud> … : feedback is "dc" should be used instead of "dcterms"
… : feedback is "dc" should be used instead of "dcterms" ←
14:10:57 <Knud> … we should used this prefix ourselves, to be consistent
… we should used this prefix ourselves, to be consistent ←
14:11:11 <Knud> … needs to be changed in our documents
… needs to be changed in our documents ←
14:11:31 <manu> PROPOSAL: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG.
PROPOSED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG. ←
14:11:40 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:11:40 <Knud> Is there a prefix for dcelements?
Is there a prefix for dcelements? ←
14:11:45 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:11:45 <ShaneM> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
14:11:48 <SebastianGermesin> +1
Sebastian Germesin: +1 ←
14:12:00 <Knud> Knud: +1
Knud Möller: +1 ←
14:12:11 <Knud> ivan: no, not in the 11 top prefixes
Ivan Herman: no, not in the 11 top prefixes ←
14:12:14 <Knud> ok
ok ←
14:12:51 <steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
14:12:53 <manu> RESOLVED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG.
RESOLVED: Use the 'dc' prefix and map it to 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/' in the RDFa Default Profile as well as all documents published by this WG. ←
14:13:29 <manu> Topic: Use of Internet schemes such as 'http' as prefixes
14:14:34 <Knud> ivan: thomas should be allowed to point this out as a problem in the name of this WG
Ivan Herman: thomas should be allowed to point this out as a problem in the name of this WG ←
14:14:54 <ivan> HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0 document
Ivan Herman: HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0 document ←
14:15:08 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-HTTP-in-RDF10-20110510/
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-HTTP-in-RDF10-20110510/ ←
14:15:34 <manu> PROPOSAL: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix.
PROPOSED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix. ←
14:15:52 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0045.html draft comment to the WG of Earl
Ivan Herman: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0045.html draft comment to the WG of Earl ←
14:16:11 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:16:15 <Knud> Knud: +1
Knud Möller: +1 ←
14:16:16 <SebastianGermesin> +1
Sebastian Germesin: +1 ←
14:16:18 <ShaneM> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
14:16:18 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:16:20 <steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
14:16:29 <manu> RESOLVED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix.
RESOLVED: Request that the EARL spec, the HTTP Vocabulary in RDF 1.0, and associated documents should not use 'http' as a prefix. ←
14:17:03 <ivan> Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
Ivan Herman: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) ←
14:17:19 <manu> ACTION: Thomas to contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue.
ACTION: Thomas to contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. ←
14:17:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-83 - Contact Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG) about 'http' prefix issue. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-23]. ←
14:17:23 <ivan> comments to be sent to public-earl10-comments@w3.org
Ivan Herman: comments to be sent to public-earl10-comments@w3.org ←
14:17:30 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:17:37 <ivan> copied to Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
Ivan Herman: copied to Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> ←
14:18:28 <Knud> ivan: replace my name with Thomas at end of email
Ivan Herman: replace my name with Thomas at end of email ←
14:18:32 <manu> Topic: Creating a List of Todo Items for the Community
14:19:03 <manu> http://schema.rdfs.org/
Manu Sporny: http://schema.rdfs.org/ ←
14:19:24 <Knud> manu: mapping of schema.org vocabs to rdfs
Manu Sporny: mapping of schema.org vocabs to rdfs ←
14:19:40 <manu> https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples
Manu Sporny: https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples ←
14:19:52 <Knud> … schema.rdfs.org people ask for examples for these schemas
… schema.rdfs.org people ask for examples for these schemas ←
14:20:10 <Knud> … places, people, events, ...
… places, people, events, ... ←
14:21:20 <Knud> … all on github in /examples folder
… all on github in /examples folder ←
14:21:37 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/05/rdfa_11_with_a_rich_snippet_ex.html
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/05/rdfa_11_with_a_rich_snippet_ex.html ←
14:22:42 <Knud> ivan: example in this blog post very similar to schema.org vocabs
Ivan Herman: example in this blog post very similar to schema.org vocabs ←
14:22:48 <manu> http://gavin.carothers.name/2011/06/04/schema-org-as-rdfa/
Manu Sporny: http://gavin.carothers.name/2011/06/04/schema-org-as-rdfa/ ←
14:23:41 <Knud> … we should use RDFa 1.1
… we should use RDFa 1.1 ←
14:23:54 <Knud> manu: especially because of xmlns, etc.
Manu Sporny: especially because of xmlns, etc. ←
14:24:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:24:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, Knud (muted), OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, Knud (muted), OpenLink_Software ←
14:24:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see MacTed, Knud, ShaneM, steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, SebastianGermesin, manu1, trackbot, manu, hughb
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MacTed, Knud, ShaneM, steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, SebastianGermesin, manu1, trackbot, manu, hughb ←
14:24:27 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:24:27 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
14:24:30 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:24:30 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:25:35 <manu> Present+ Ted
Manu Sporny: Present+ Ted ←
14:27:42 <Knud> shane: for my own use, RDF1.0 would also be nice to have
Shane McCarron: for my own use, RDF1.0 would also be nice to have ←
14:28:09 <Knud> manu: there'd still be the anti xmlns push-back
Manu Sporny: there'd still be the anti xmlns push-back ←
14:29:09 <Knud> shane: would be cool if HTML5+RDFa 1.1 already was a standard
Shane McCarron: would be cool if HTML5+RDFa 1.1 already was a standard ←
14:30:28 <Knud> ivan: however, we are coupled to HTML5 development, so we cannot speed up getting to REC there.
Ivan Herman: however, we are coupled to HTML5 development, so we cannot speed up getting to REC there. ←
14:32:27 <Knud> … and focussing on HTML4+RDFa1.1 probably wouldn't work either
… and focussing on HTML4+RDFa1.1 probably wouldn't work either ←
14:33:31 <Knud> manu: still, it would be interesting to have this discussion (HTML4+RDFa 1.1) at the W3C
Manu Sporny: still, it would be interesting to have this discussion (HTML4+RDFa 1.1) at the W3C ←
14:34:16 <Knud> ivan: it would not gain us much, just take a lot of energy and time
Ivan Herman: it would not gain us much, just take a lot of energy and time ←
14:34:29 <manu> Subtopic: rdfa.info website revamp
14:35:14 <Knud> manu: I got feedback that it would be great to have a central location for everything RDFa (tools, links to specs, etc.)
Manu Sporny: I got feedback that it would be great to have a central location for everything RDFa (tools, links to specs, etc.) ←
14:35:28 <Knud> … our wordpress site is a bit out of date
… our wordpress site is a bit out of date ←
14:36:44 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa ←
14:37:35 <Knud> ivan: why not extend on this W3C-hosted wiki?
Ivan Herman: why not extend on this W3C-hosted wiki? ←
14:38:12 <manu> q+ to talk about marketing...
Manu Sporny: q+ to talk about marketing... ←
14:38:28 <Knud> … maybe not as pretty, but easy to edit for community
… maybe not as pretty, but easy to edit for community ←
14:38:48 <Knud> manu: concerned about marketing message... I think we've done a bad job at making sure that the RDFa community can craft a great message to the Web community. Our web presence sucks.
Manu Sporny: concerned about marketing message... I think we've done a bad job at making sure that the RDFa community can craft a great message to the Web community. Our web presence sucks. ←
14:38:53 <manu> http://json.org/
Manu Sporny: http://json.org/ ←
14:39:00 <Knud> … we need a very clean and slick introduction to RDFa
… we need a very clean and slick introduction to RDFa ←
14:39:46 <Knud> … json.org not so slick, but very easy introduction, easy to remember URI
… json.org not so slick, but very easy introduction, easy to remember URI ←
14:40:13 <Knud> … look & feel should attract developers and designers
… look & feel should attract developers and designers ←
14:42:31 <Knud> ivan: Just from a practical point of view, we risk things becoming out of date on an external site, just like rdfa.info
Ivan Herman: Just from a practical point of view, we risk things becoming out of date on an external site, just like rdfa.info ←
14:43:15 <Knud> manu: getting accounts is exactly the issue - we will have to make it easier to host rdfa.info and give access to people to hack on it
Manu Sporny: getting accounts is exactly the issue - we will have to make it easier to host rdfa.info and give access to people to hack on it ←
14:44:33 <Knud> … we should have a virtual private server, source code for the site should be open, needs to be easy to be redeployed to new physical machine, etc.
… we should have a virtual private server, source code for the site should be open, needs to be easy to be redeployed to new physical machine, etc. ←
14:45:29 <Knud> … need shell accounts for community members, domain ownership transferred to W3C
… need shell accounts for community members, domain ownership transferred to W3C ←
14:45:53 <Knud> … rdfa.info currently owned by creative commons
… rdfa.info currently owned by creative commons ←
14:46:49 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:46:49 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:47:34 <Knud> ivan: we should not replicate all the tools on rdfa.info
Ivan Herman: we should not replicate all the tools on rdfa.info ←
14:49:23 <Knud> … we need an authoritative list of tools, that would be enough, and better to maintain
… we need an authoritative list of tools, that would be enough, and better to maintain ←
14:50:26 <Knud> can the distiller run on rdfa.info virtually - just use the original one as a service?
can the distiller run on rdfa.info virtually - just use the original one as a service? ←
14:50:51 <Knud> shane: (what I just said)
Shane McCarron: (what I just said) ←
14:52:01 <Knud> ivan: currently not concerned about high load on distiller. When it becomes an issue, this will be a luxury problem, and we will solve it
Ivan Herman: currently not concerned about high load on distiller. When it becomes an issue, this will be a luxury problem, and we will solve it ←
14:52:19 <manu> JavaScript RDFa 1.1 processor
Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa 1.1 processor ←
14:52:24 <manu> JavaScript RDFa 1.1 API implementation
Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa 1.1 API implementation ←
14:52:32 <manu> JavaScript RDFa snippet generator (FOAF, schema.org, etc.)
Manu Sporny: JavaScript RDFa snippet generator (FOAF, schema.org, etc.) ←
14:52:56 <Knud> manu: these tools are missing
Manu Sporny: these tools are missing ←
14:53:35 <Knud> … we need to tell interested JS developers that they can help us with these tools
… we need to tell interested JS developers that they can help us with these tools ←
14:54:12 <Knud> ivan: most important would be API implementations
Ivan Herman: most important would be API implementations ←
14:56:36 <Knud> … especially for showcasing the RDFa strenghts, such as integrating data from different sources
… especially for showcasing the RDFa strenghts, such as integrating data from different sources ←
14:56:44 <manu> Topic: Increasing participation in WG
14:56:56 <manu> Stephane Corlosquet, Niklas Lindstrom, Gregg Kellogg
Manu Sporny: Stephane Corlosquet, Niklas Lindstrom, Gregg Kellogg ←
14:57:39 <Knud> manu: these people are interested in joining
Manu Sporny: these people are interested in joining ←
14:57:45 <Knud> Ivan: I think it would be good to bring these people on board.
Ivan Herman: I think it would be good to bring these people on board. ←
15:01:31 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about the role spec quickly
Shane McCarron: q+ to talk about the role spec quickly ←
15:01:45 <manu> Topic: Role attribute spec
15:01:48 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
15:01:50 <manu> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to talk about marketing...
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to talk about marketing... ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about the role spec quickly
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to talk about the role spec quickly ←
15:02:32 <Knud> shane: PF WG wants to change dependency back to RDFa1.0, because of delays in this WG
Shane McCarron: PF WG wants to change dependency back to RDFa1.0, because of delays in this WG ←
15:05:10 <Knud> … PF could say in their spec that datatype for @role might be extended in the future, with reference to work in this WG
… PF could say in their spec that datatype for @role might be extended in the future, with reference to work in this WG ←
15:07:15 <steven> Regrets for next week - at a conference
Steven Pemberton: Regrets for next week - at a conference ←
15:08:17 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:08:22 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
15:08:23 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:08:25 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:08:31 <Zakim> -SebastianGermesin
Zakim IRC Bot: -SebastianGermesin ←
15:08:40 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:08:41 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:08:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.681.857.75.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, +3539149aabb, Knud, MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +49.681.857.75.aaaa, SebastianGermesin, ShaneM, manu, Ivan, Steven, +3539149aabb, Knud, MacTed ←
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