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13:47:12 <manu> manu has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telecon. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html (manu)
Manu Sporny: manu has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telecon. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html (manu) ←
13:47:15 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0194.html
13:47:22 <manu> trackbot, start meeting
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13:47:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:47:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
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13:47:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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13:47:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:47:27 <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2010
13:47:43 <manu> Chair: Manu Sporny
14:01:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu
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Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), manu ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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14:01:34 <Zakim> + +03539149aaaa
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14:01:36 <Zakim> +??P6
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14:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.415.524.aabb
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14:01:52 <manu> zakim, I am ??P6
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14:01:52 <Zakim> +manu; got it
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14:02:21 <jeffs> zakim, I am aabb
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14:02:21 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it
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14:02:33 <Zakim> +McCarron
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14:02:42 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
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14:02:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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14:03:41 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:03:53 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +03539149aaaa (40%), manu (100%), jeffs (3%)
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +03539149aaaa (40%), manu (100%), jeffs (3%) ←
14:04:54 <Zakim> +knud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +knud; got it ←
14:07:22 <manu> zakim, pick a victim
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14:07:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose manu
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose manu ←
14:07:26 <manu> zakim, pick a victim
Manu Sporny: zakim, pick a victim ←
14:07:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose knud (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose knud (muted) ←
14:08:33 <manu> Present: Jeff, Manu, Shane, Abhijit, Knud, Benjamin
14:14:32 <Benjamin> scribenick: Benjamin
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14:14:33 <Benjamin> Topic: Action Items
14:08:19 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD
ACTION: Shane to prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD ←
14:08:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Prepare RDFa Core 1.1 document for FPWD [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01]. ←
14:08:57 <manu> ACTION: Jeff to prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010
ACTION: Jeff to prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 ←
14:08:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2010-04-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Prepare RDFa Cookbook document for FPWD for May 2010 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2010-04-01]. ←
14:10:00 <Zakim> + +49.631.205.7.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.631.205.7.aacc ←
14:10:28 <Knud> zakim, aacc is Benjamin
Knud Möller: zakim, aacc is Benjamin ←
14:10:28 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin; got it ←
14:11:44 <manu> ACTION: Shane to prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD.
ACTION: Shane to prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. ←
14:11:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Prepare XHTML+RDFa 1.1 document for FPWD. [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-04-01]. ←
14:12:40 <Benjamin> scribenick: Benjamin
14:13:24 <manu> ACTION: Benjamin to prepare RDFa API document for FPWD
ACTION: Benjamin to prepare RDFa API document for FPWD ←
14:13:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Prepare RDFa API document for FPWD [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2010-04-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Prepare RDFa API document for FPWD [on Benjamin Adrian - due 2010-04-01]. ←
14:14:24 <manu> April 1st - Editors have a FPWD Editors Draft document published via
Manu Sporny: April 1st - Editors have a FPWD Editors Draft document published via ←
14:14:26 <manu> a W3C URL (though cvs.w3.org)
Manu Sporny: a W3C URL (though cvs.w3.org) ←
14:14:28 <manu> April 8th - Any Editors Draft corrections are made
Manu Sporny: April 8th - Any Editors Draft corrections are made ←
14:14:30 <manu> April 15th - Notification to W3C Pubs to publish RDFa WG FPWDs
Manu Sporny: April 15th - Notification to W3C Pubs to publish RDFa WG FPWDs ←
14:14:31 <manu> April 22nd - Slack time
Manu Sporny: April 22nd - Slack time ←
14:15:12 <Benjamin> manu: Does this timeline for creating first drafts of FPWD drafts look good? Any objections to the timeline?
Manu Sporny: Does this timeline for creating first drafts of FPWD drafts look good? Any objections to the timeline? ←
14:15:35 <Benjamin> ... three documents by April, 15
... three documents by April, 15 ←
14:15:39 <jeffs> +1 on timeline & tasks
Jeffrey Sonstein: +1 on timeline & tasks ←
14:16:04 <Benjamin> ... any changes on the agenda?
... any changes on the agenda? ←
14:16:00 <Benjamin> Topic: RDFa Vocabulary Proposal in FPWD
14:16:22 <manu> http://doodle.com/uqe9pxru7eu8n7d8
Manu Sporny: http://doodle.com/uqe9pxru7eu8n7d8 ←
14:17:43 <Benjamin> Manu: The straw poll items that have strong support are going to be part of the RDFa 1.1 FPWD specification
Manu Sporny: The straw poll items that have strong support are going to be part of the RDFa 1.1 FPWD specification ←
14:18:01 <jeffs> I can live with the external documents part, and I am very hesitant with pulling in external documents.
Jeffrey Sonstein: I can live with the external documents part, and I am very hesitant with pulling in external documents. ←
14:18:33 <Benjamin> Toby and Jeff do not agree with having an external document
Toby and Jeff do not agree with having an external document ←
14:19:54 <Benjamin> Jeff: it's more a hesitation than disagreement
Jeffrey Sonstein: it's more a hesitation than disagreement ←
14:21:20 <jeffs> expressed my concerns about having external document(s) and liking of xmlns: namespace approach
Jeffrey Sonstein: expressed my concerns about having external document(s) and liking of xmlns: namespace approach ←
14:22:17 <Benjamin> Manu: We have discussed much on this concern on the mailing list - the downsides with having an external document. There is support to put it in the FPWD, let's do that and then see how the community responds to the FPWD.
Manu Sporny: We have discussed much on this concern on the mailing list - the downsides with having an external document. There is support to put it in the FPWD, let's do that and then see how the community responds to the FPWD. ←
14:23:25 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/ ←
14:23:48 <Benjamin> ... Ivan is going to update the document above
... Ivan is going to update the document above ←
14:24:16 <Benjamin> ... a similar version is in the rdfa.info wiki
... a similar version is in the rdfa.info wiki ←
14:25:15 <jeffs> I see no consensus on the 'combination of prefixes and keywords into a single "list of mappings" concept' proposal
Jeffrey Sonstein: I see no consensus on the 'combination of prefixes and keywords into a single "list of mappings" concept' proposal ←
14:25:22 <Benjamin> ... we should keep prefixes and keywords in separate documents. Any objections on not combining prefixes/keywords in the FPWD document?
... we should keep prefixes and keywords in separate documents. Any objections on not combining prefixes/keywords in the FPWD document? ←
14:25:25 <Benjamin> ... No objections, moving on.
... No objections, moving on. ←
14:25:28 <Knud> Topic: @token Proposal in FPWD
14:26:36 <Benjamin> ... token proposal is not going into the RDFa 1.1 document, no support for it as of right now. Any objections to @token proposal not going in RDFa document?
... token proposal is not going into the RDFa 1.1 document, no support for it as of right now. Any objections to @token proposal not going in RDFa document? ←
14:27:01 <Benjamin> ... Hearing none, let's move on.
... Hearing none, let's move on. ←
14:27:16 <Benjamin> Topic: Default prefix proposal in FPWD
14:28:06 <manu> <div vocab="http://example.org/vocab#"><span property="foo">prop</span></div>
Manu Sporny: <div vocab="http://example.org/vocab#"><span property="foo">prop</span></div> ←
14:28:30 <manu> <> http://example.org/vocab#foo "prop" .
Manu Sporny: <> http://example.org/vocab#foo "prop" . ←
14:28:59 <Knud> vocab is good
Knud Möller: vocab is good ←
14:29:01 <jeffs> vocab is simple and expressive
Jeffrey Sonstein: vocab is simple and expressive ←
14:29:10 <Benjamin> Shane: I really like vocab
Shane McCarron: I really like vocab ←
14:30:14 <Benjamin> manu: vocab is going to be in RDFa 1.1 FPWD spec
Manu Sporny: vocab is going to be in RDFa 1.1 FPWD spec ←
14:31:01 <jeffs> +1 to keeping sep until more discussion
Jeffrey Sonstein: +1 to keeping sep until more discussion ←
14:31:46 <Benjamin> ... prefixes and keywords are kept separate for now
... prefixes and keywords are kept separate for now ←
14:32:36 <Benjamin> ShaneM: No objections to keep them separate for now
Shane McCarron: No objections to keep them separate for now ←
14:32:40 <Benjamin> Topic: Alternative to xmlns: in FPWD
14:33:08 <manu> General agreement that RDFa 1.1 should have a mechanism to express mappings that does not depend on xmlns: (for example: @token, @vocab or @map)
Manu Sporny: General agreement that RDFa 1.1 should have a mechanism to express mappings that does not depend on xmlns: (for example: @token, @vocab or @map) ←
14:33:24 <Benjamin> manu: We haven't really talked about the exact mechanism behind this
Manu Sporny: We haven't really talked about the exact mechanism behind this ←
14:34:21 <manu> One option: prefix="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../" token="Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person"
Manu Sporny: One option: prefix="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../" token="Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person" ←
14:35:03 <manu> Second option: prefix="foaf: http://xmlns.com/.../" <--- prefixes can only be set, tokens are only set in RDFa Profile documents.
Manu Sporny: Second option: prefix="foaf: http://xmlns.com/.../" <--- prefixes can only be set, tokens are only set in RDFa Profile documents. ←
14:35:22 <Benjamin> ... explains options for defining prefixes and tokens
... explains options for defining prefixes and tokens ←
14:35:44 <manu> Third option: map="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../; Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person;"
Manu Sporny: Third option: map="foaf: http://xmns.com/.../; Person: http://xmlns.com/.../Person;" ←
14:36:35 <jeffs> I do not think we have talked about this enough to do much of anything "on paper"
Jeffrey Sonstein: I do not think we have talked about this enough to do much of anything "on paper" ←
14:37:36 <jeffs> the previous stuff has an effect upon this issue
Jeffrey Sonstein: the previous stuff has an effect upon this issue ←
14:39:15 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:39:28 <Benjamin> ... Ok, then an alternative to xmlns: is not going into the FPWD RDFa 1.1 Core document yet, but there is strong support for such a mechanism. We'll work out the details over the next couple of weeks.
... Ok, then an alternative to xmlns: is not going into the FPWD RDFa 1.1 Core document yet, but there is strong support for such a mechanism. We'll work out the details over the next couple of weeks. ←
14:40:10 <Benjamin> Manu: Do Shane and Benjamin feel that they have enough information to proceed with editing the documents. Is there anything else they need to complete RDFa Core 1.1 FPWD, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 FPWD and RDFa DOM API FPWD?
Manu Sporny: Do Shane and Benjamin feel that they have enough information to proceed with editing the documents. Is there anything else they need to complete RDFa Core 1.1 FPWD, XHTML+RDFa 1.1 FPWD and RDFa DOM API FPWD? ←
14:41:13 <Benjamin> ... We have a tight schedule
... We have a tight schedule ←
14:40:10 <Benjamin> ... Ok, we're expecting draft FPWD documents to be available in W3C CVS by next Thursday. We'll review, make changes and get them to W3C Pubs by April 15th. Meeting adjourned.
... Ok, we're expecting draft FPWD documents to be available in W3C CVS by next Thursday. We'll review, make changes and get them to W3C Pubs by April 15th. Meeting adjourned. ←
14:41:36 <Zakim> -knud
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14:41:40 <Zakim> -jeffs
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14:43:25 <Benjamin> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:43:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin
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14:44:00 <Zakim> -Benjamin
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15:21:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +03539149aaaa, +1.415.524.aabb, manu, jeffs, ShaneM, knud, +49.631.205.7.aacc, Benjamin
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