18:00:00 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 18:00:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-tagmem-irc 18:00:02 RRSAgent, make logs public 18:00:02 Zakim has joined #tagmem 18:00:04 Zakim, this will be TAG 18:00:04 ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start now 18:00:05 Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 18:00:05 Date: 25 February 2010 18:00:16 Zakim, call timbl-office 18:00:16 ok, timbl; the call is being made 18:00:17 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started 18:00:20 +Timbl 18:00:22 +[IBMCambridge] 18:00:56 zakim, [IBMCambridge] is me 18:00:56 +noah; got it 18:01:08 zakim, who is here? 18:01:08 On the phone I see Timbl, noah 18:01:09 On IRC I see RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, timbl, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 18:01:33 +DanC 18:01:43 +Raman 18:01:47 Ashok has joined #tagmem 18:02:14 +John_Kemp 18:02:18 +Ashok_Malhotra 18:03:05 zakim, who is here? 18:03:05 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, John_Kemp, Ashok_Malhotra 18:03:06 On IRC I see Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, timbl, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 18:03:47 Topic: Convene 18:03:50 +1 approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/02/18-minutes 18:04:04 +Jonathan_Rees 18:04:29 scribenick: Jonathan_Rees 18:04:40 zakim, pleae call ht-781 18:04:40 I don't understand 'pleae call ht-781', ht 18:04:54 zakim, please call ht-781 18:04:54 ok, ht; the call is being made 18:04:56 +Ht 18:05:26 chair: Noah Mendelsohn 18:05:40 zakim, jonath is jar 18:05:40 +jar; got it 18:05:43 scribenick: jar 18:05:48 +1 to approve the minutes 18:06:10 RESOLVED: approve minutes of Feb 18 18:06:21 topic: Administrative items 18:06:56 (F2F agenda discussion) 18:08:00 noah: Writing quarterly TAG status, input welcome 18:09:28 (noah discussing today's agenda) 18:09:48 topic: ISSUE-33 & ACTION-332: Mixing SVG & MathML in HTML 5 18:10:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Nov/0012.html 18:10:30 ack ht 18:12:30 he HTML 5 design puts MathML elements in the MathML namespace 18:12:30 (and likewise SVG) with no syntactic cost to authors: 18:12:53 danc: Opinions on the HTML design for MathML and SVG? 18:13:02 s/HTML/HTML WG/ 18:13:08 Given that the algorithm as fas as I can see can be separated into a quite generic one, and a bit of metadata which defines which element names trigger which namespcaes, and given that is generates an XML DOM basically, this seems a nice design. 18:13:14 q+ to ask how this issue is different from dist. extensibility discussion? 18:13:52 timbl: Good feature: it's not specific to HTML. So potential for follow-your-nose. 18:13:59 "There isn't a general-purpose mechanism 18:13:59 for mixing other UI-related namespaces in the spec, but any mechanism 18:13:59 of that sort that should come along should be consistent with 18:13:59 the HTML 5 design, IMO." 18:14:22 q+ to make two points: text/html vs. application/xml+html; lockin aspects of this design 18:14:36 ack next 18:14:37 noah, you wanted to ask how this issue is different from dist. extensibility discussion? 18:15:14 Noah: what I still trip over is who decides what these elements are, how they get updated 18:15:27 zakim, mute me 18:15:27 Ht should now be muted 18:15:40 ... there's no distributed extensibility story [but maybe there could be] 18:15:47 +DKA 18:16:03 Dan, we'll have you scribe another time. 18:16:14 masinter has joined #tagmem 18:16:30 danc: DKA, Do you know about XBL or XBL2? 18:16:40 DKA: negative 18:16:46 ack ht 18:16:48 ht, you wanted to make two points: text/html vs. application/xml+html; lockin aspects of this design 18:17:08 NM: I pointed out that the lack of a syntactic hook for distributed extensibility bothers me. Otherwise, it seems OK. 18:17:24 ht: my 2nd point is what Noah says, there's lockin 18:17:39 DKA has joined #tagmem 18:17:56 I heard him say "no dist ext", not "lockin" (I find lockin to be somewhat unclear) 18:18:09 ht: But also it's another wedge between html and xhtml serialization. [...] doesn't work 18:18:10 +Larry 18:18:39 zakim, who is talking? 18:18:40 s/lockin aspects/extensibility aspects/ 18:18:52 noah, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: noah (4%), Raman (84%), jar (48%) 18:19:14 s/there's lockin/there's centralised extensibility, not distributed extensibility/ 18:19:15 Raman is saying people depend on common prefixes. Maybe. Not sure I completely believe that. 18:19:22 raman: with this design pattern, a particular way of doing things is being pushed 18:19:32 x 18:20:25 (no; don't go into namespace binding stuff... at least: don't go into stuff that doesn't address the *User Interface* aspects; screen real-estate, event bubbling, etc.) 18:20:38 ht: a casual reader would think that there are these two magic elements and . once you get to one of these you're using mathml or svg. this reasoning would be faulty 18:20:41 zakim, mute me 18:20:41 DKA should now be muted 18:21:01 Other cross-over points? Please elaborate 18:21:13 ht: the price is quadratic 18:21:50 danc: you have to think about html inside svg, etc. - all combinations 18:21:53 q? 18:22:14 ht: OK, DanC, so, yes, cubic already, and likely to grow 18:22:28 timbl: might be possible that extension points are common, hub architecture ... 18:22:56 q+ to say that the N^2 parsing rules are yucky from a language theory perspective, but in the context of building something to handle HTML+MathML+SVG, it's a tiny, tiny concern; the layout, event, etc. stuff dominates, I think 18:23:44 q+ to note I think this is a pragmatic way of getting an interop profile 18:23:47 larry: the plugin interface is an example of an extensibility mechanism that ... dom ... (scribe slow) 18:24:14 The plugin interface needs to specify a set of elemenst whcih it adopts. 18:24:35 If you use this for plugins then you get search path madness within a few steps. 18:24:57 (binding elements to plug-ins... that's how XBL works, yes? does anybody here know?) 18:25:02 ... extensibility has many aspects. graphic contexts, user requests re caching or security, dom 18:25:23 ... looking at plugin interface is a good way to think about extensibility 18:25:45 ... mathml and svg are about rendering, but if that's what you're looking at you may be missing things 18:25:57 s/what/all/ 18:26:12 s/plugin interface/requirements for plugin interface/ 18:26:54 different kinds of extensibility: rendering extensibility, DOM integration extensibility, security integration, state integration 18:27:12 timbl: So (you're saying) looking at the plugin API [requirements] is a good test. 18:27:24 math and svg integration also share events, not just rendering 18:28:36 raman: how do you write a processor that is extensible over time... doesn't solve the problem of how svg calls back to the host container... that's an unsolved problem 18:28:40 Tim, for multiple magic, see http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/syntax.html#parsing-main-inforeign 18:28:46 timbl: you mean it just hasn't been written yet 18:28:47 We tried to address this problem in the CDF working group, FYI: http://www.w3.org/2004/CDF/ 18:30:10 noah: There are people invested in this kind of generality, e.g. microsoft rendering html on surfaces 18:30:30 (yes, CDF was chartered to solve the general problem...) 18:30:35 ... To do this you need an integrated rendering model that all the pieces buy into 18:30:57 raman: authoring, rending, eventing all need to be coordinated 18:31:04 s/rending/rendering/ 18:32:05 timbl: i'm not sure whether you can apply a sheer to something with html in it 18:32:07 hmm... interesting example tim just gave... a graph shear (sp?) ... whether it applies to HTML... and whether hit detection on HTML buttons in there work 18:32:10 See also the example in http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/syntax.html#foreign-elements 18:32:43 is that different from the example in my msg? looking... 18:32:55 masinter: part of the css/html to embedded object interface is (scribe lost) 18:33:12 s/member:timbl: i'm not sure whether you can apply a sheer to something with html in it/member:timbl: This was doen in Amaya, years ago., but i'm not sure whether you could apply a sheer to something with html in it and have that shear affect the embedded HTML/ 18:34:29 noah: They closed this, but left distributed extensibility open 18:34:34 "html-svg-mathml State: CLOSED" -- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/37 18:35:20 ht: Don't think we should push back on this. SVG and MathML WGs have accepted it 18:35:52 ht: There will be DOM incompatibilities because attribute names are lowercased 18:38:42 s/Don't think we/The situation is appalling. Don't think we/ 18:38:43 q- 18:38:49 q- 18:39:02 zakim, unmute me 18:39:02 DKA should no longer be muted 18:39:13 danc: DKA, what about the CDF experience? 18:39:43 DKA: (compound document format WG) 18:40:33 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WICD/ WICD Core 1.0 W3C Candidate Recommendation 18 July 2007 18:41:00 dka: WICD didn't have implementations 18:41:48 -John_Kemp 18:41:53 scribe sorry for missing Dan's summary. in a noisy room 18:42:54 DKA: the approach was that there would be separate DOMs ... 18:43:07 +John_Kemp 18:43:15 raman: but they have consistent eventing, so you could graft 18:43:37 dka: but there was a security issue, so we decided not to do that 18:44:22 noah: let's wrap up 18:45:22 topic: ISSUE-41 & ACTION-395: TAG Response on HTML Decentralized extensibility 18:45:30 action-357? 18:45:30 ACTION-357 -- Henry S. Thompson to elaborate the DPD proposal to address comments from #xmlnames and tag f2f discussion of 2009-12-10, particularly wrt integration with XML specs and wrt motivation -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN 18:45:30 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/357 18:45:48 noah: Deadline is March 23 18:47:20 ht: we've seen no evidence of any constituency inside the htmlwg interested in this. pushing from outside would probably be fruitless 18:47:56 q+ 18:48:17 noah: Being on record is of some value even so, sometimes 18:48:44 ht: Any of these proposals would be an improvement on the current draft 18:48:59 ack next 18:52:10 noah: (Discussion of TAG relation to change proposal preparation) 18:53:33 I thought I'd heard particular flaws raised with at least some of the proposals. Is it not appropriate for the TAG to get to the bottom of whether that's true? 18:53:35 q+ to ask whether we can simply send an email to WG pointing out the set of proposals we know about 18:53:55 q+ to ask about flaws in the designs 18:54:11 raman: Why should TAG take a position on one option vs. another? Put all 3 on the table 18:54:36 +1 to Raman's suggestion. 18:54:47 yes, also +1 to Raman's suggestion 18:55:21 ack next 18:55:22 ht: Don't have time to ..., but I do have time to put in a change proposal. Encourage other proposal authors to do the same 18:55:23 johnk, you wanted to ask whether we can simply send an email to WG pointing out the set of proposals we know about 18:56:03 q+ 18:56:23 ack next 18:56:24 s/to .../to do what Noah asked, that is, to compare the strengths and weaknesses of the status quo and the three proposals/ 18:56:25 noah, you wanted to ask about flaws in the designs 18:56:35 johnk: We've done work here, we could say we looked at the three, couldn't someone in WG take a look at them 18:56:49 q+ to disagree with NM 18:57:43 noah: don't think we should appear to endorse one if we think it had a serious flaw. 18:58:36 ... did our discussion peter our because of our criticisms? 18:58:55 raman: The proposals got shouted down, so authors went away 18:59:12 noah: didn't we say "but it doesn't do this or that"? 18:59:13 Q? 18:59:18 ack danc 18:59:18 DanC, you wanted to ask what suggests the HTML WG hasn't looked at these? The trick is to get a critical mass of support, which involves somebody who's interested to at least 18:59:22 ... prototype in the context of a shipping browser 18:59:56 danc: I don't think the wg hasn't looked at them. The trick is to get a critical mass of support, someone to code them up 19:00:20 Boy, setting the bar for _proposals_ at having an implementation is pretty high 19:00:37 q? 19:00:40 danc: When you said no support in the wg - don't know what happened to Microsoft - and there was someone else 19:02:23 ack ht 19:02:23 ht, you wanted to disagree with NM 19:02:26 danc: the wg never adopts something unless someone's convinced to code it up 19:02:47 (WG participants who own code and see a proposal that they're not willing to code up regularly reject the proposal.) 19:03:08 ht: In the discussion about all 3 proposals, as in the discu of status uo, there was consideration of strengths and weaknesses. 19:03:31 ... but I don't think any flaws are fatal. pros and cons are contextual 19:03:56 ("rough consensus and running code", no?) 19:04:03 Describes the IETF. . . 19:04:06 ... the community that ought to be looking at this, is the html wg 19:04:15 and the W3C, largely. 19:04:19 timbl__ has joined #tagmem 19:04:28 "running code" is given a priority, yes, but not "shipping code" 19:04:38 the code doesn't have to get written before a proposal is adopted, but implementors have to be *willing* to code it up 19:05:30 ht: I would like noah, for the TAG, to write to the MS proposal authors, to ask them to get a change proposal in 19:06:03 s/the MS/Liam Quin and the MS/ 19:06:04 +1 19:06:05 +1 19:06:07 +1 19:06:08 well, what i meant by "prototype in the context of a shipping browser" is "running code that's integrated with code that handles the complexity of the modern web" 19:06:10 +1 19:06:11 bubbles has joined #tagmem 19:06:16 1+ 19:06:17 to what? 19:06:47 DKA, see above 'ht: I would like" 19:07:14 +1 19:07:18 +1 but note requirement may not to get CP in by deadline 19:07:41 trackbot, status? 19:08:27 ACTION to Henry S to draft emails for NM to send to HTML WG chairs and to Liam+MS authors encouraging a change proposal wrt distr. extensibility by 23 March 19:08:27 Sorry, couldn't find user - to 19:08:34 ACTION-356? 19:08:34 ACTION-356 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with Carine Bournez to schedule followup meeting on xmlnames followup discussion -- due 2010-02-20 -- OPEN 19:08:34 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/356 19:08:38 ACTION Henry S to draft emails for NM to send to HTML WG chairs and to Liam+MS authors encouraging a change proposal wrt distr. extensibility by 23 March 19:08:39 Created ACTION-396 - S to draft emails for NM to send to HTML WG chairs and to Liam+MS authors encouraging a change proposal wrt distr. extensibility by 23 March [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2010-03-04]. 19:09:12 topic: ISSUE-65: Face to Face Meeting Agenda Preparation 19:09:32 -Ht 19:09:36 ht: Request time at F2F to talk about domain name permanence 19:10:03 ACTION-351? 19:10:03 ACTION-351 -- Henry S. Thompson to look into a workshop on persistence... perhaps the June 2010 timeframe -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN 19:10:03 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/351 19:10:07 zakim, who is here? 19:10:07 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:10:09 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:11:28 web apps architecture product http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7 19:12:03 raman: Web app arch. As background, look at webapps [?] and geo 19:12:05 http://www.w3.org/TR/hash-in-uri/ 19:12:36 raman: Next steps on has-in-uri 19:12:48 q? 19:12:52 zakim, who is here? 19:12:52 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:12:55 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:13:26 ashok: What is status of our issue on geoloc/geopriv? Open or not? 19:13:32 (we don't have an issue on geoloc/geopriv) 19:14:06 ashok: ... we've been contacted by IETF 19:14:35 q+ 19:14:41 ack me 19:15:11 DKA: I think it would be useful to talk about geo in context of the wg rechartering 19:15:34 ACTION-380? 19:15:35 ACTION-380 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft response to Fredrick, short and to the point. Larry to review. -- due 2010-02-17 -- OPEN 19:15:35 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/380 19:16:10 ... also consider going back to the WGs to ask for changes 19:17:38 . action ashok Frame F2F discussion on geolocation and geopriv 19:17:59 action ashok Frame F2F discussion on geolocation and geopriv, with help from DKA 19:17:59 Created ACTION-397 - Frame F2F discussion on geolocation and geopriv, with help from DKA [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2010-03-04]. 19:18:19 zakim, who is here? 19:18:19 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:18:21 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:18:30 action-380: done 3 Feb http://www.w3.org/mid/C78FAD46.92F4%25daniel.appelquist@vodafone.com 19:18:30 ACTION-380 Draft response to Fredrick, short and to the point. Larry to review. notes added 19:18:41 JAR: I'm working on issue-57 and maybe issue-62 19:18:54 JAR: I think there will be another draft of the HTTP semantics note. 19:19:38 ACTION-201? 19:19:38 ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2010-03-02 -- OPEN 19:19:38 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201 19:19:45 JAR: 2) possible other work on ISSUE-57 (address bar on redirections, etc.) 19:19:54 ACTION-282? 19:19:54 ACTION-282 -- Jonathan Rees to draft a finding on metadata architecture. -- due 2010-03-10 -- OPEN 19:19:54 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/282 19:20:11 JAR: 3) metadata architecture (ISSUE-62) action to draft finding. Won't know until the 8th. 19:20:14 ACTION-282 due 8 March 19:20:14 ACTION-282 Draft a finding on metadata architecture. due date now 8 March 19:20:30 zakim, who is here? 19:20:30 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:20:32 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:21:20 action-390? 19:21:20 ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN 19:21:20 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390 19:21:41 (chinese menu expansion: scalabilityOfURIAccess-58) 19:21:52 issue-58? 19:21:52 ISSUE-58 -- Scalability of URI Access to Resources -- OPEN 19:21:52 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/58 19:23:15 DKA: I could do an overview of mobile issues (widgets, etc.) 19:24:06 DKA: Should device access APIs (e.g. camera) be Javascript and/or REST? 19:24:21 dka: Competing architecture proposals in the DAP WG. one from Google. Javascript vs. REST 19:25:00 noah: I'm interested in mobile, let's talk 19:25:03 zakim, who is here? 19:25:03 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:25:05 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:25:27 zakim, mute me 19:25:27 DKA should now be muted 19:26:55 LM: I'll be at TAG F2F into Thurs morning. 19:26:56 masinter: IRIEverywhere issue 19:27:04 issue-27? 19:27:04 ISSUE-27 -- Should W3C specifications start promoting IRIs? -- OPEN 19:27:04 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27 19:27:09 action-343? 19:27:09 ACTION-343 -- Larry Masinter to discuss petname application to IRI spoofing in public-iri and www-tag -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN 19:27:09 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/343 19:27:12 LM: I want to talk at F2F about IRI everywhere. 19:27:46 NM: And what would we actually talk about wrt IRIs 19:28:06 LM: On reflection, probably not much. But we could talk about things like whether to close the issue. 19:28:11 masinter: Hoping that by then there may be more clarity on the IRI issue. How do we go about closing it 19:28:26 LM: I'd like to prepare an action plan for resolution. 19:29:07 ACTION: Larry to prepare plan for resolving issue-27 IRIEverywhere for F2F discussion 19:29:07 Created ACTION-398 - Prepare plan for resolving issue-27 IRIEverywhere for F2F discussion [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-03-04]. 19:29:21 zakim, unmute me 19:29:21 DKA should no longer be muted 19:29:31 zakim, who is here? 19:29:31 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA, Larry, John_Kemp 19:29:34 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:29:39 zakim, unmute me 19:29:39 DKA was not muted, DKA 19:29:43 zakim, mute me 19:29:43 DKA should now be muted 19:30:05 JK: 19:30:19 johnk: We need further discussion on sniffing 19:30:25 (HT an LMM have the actions on sniffing http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24 19:30:26 ) 19:30:34 ACTION-386? 19:30:34 ACTION-386 -- Larry Masinter to review draft-barth-sniff-4 and send comments, cc TAG -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN 19:30:34 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/386 19:31:12 . ACTION johnk to frame F2F discussion on sniffing 19:31:22 trackbot, status? 19:31:44 ACTION: John to prepare F2F discussion of sniffing, being sure to check status of other pertinent actions 19:31:44 Created ACTION-399 - Prepare F2F discussion of sniffing, being sure to check status of other pertinent actions [on John Kemp - due 2010-03-04]. 19:32:12 zakim, who is here? 19:32:12 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA (muted), Larry, John_Kemp 19:32:14 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:32:32 action-355? 19:32:32 ACTION-355 -- John Kemp to explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications -- due 2010-03-10 -- OPEN 19:32:32 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/355 19:32:40 action-355 due 8 March 19:32:40 ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications due date now 8 March 19:32:42 action-352 due 8 March 19:32:42 ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications due date now 8 March 19:32:43 JK: I may have progress on ACTION-355 and/or ACTION-352 for the F2F 19:32:53 zakim, who is here? 19:32:53 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA (muted), Larry, John_Kemp 19:32:55 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:33:27 DC: I've been doing some stuff on redirection. Will coordinate with JAR. 19:33:28 ACTION-368? 19:33:28 ACTION-368 -- Dan Connolly to write up version change ontology as blog item -- due 2010-02-26 -- OPEN 19:33:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/368 19:33:41 zakim, who is here? 19:33:41 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DKA (muted), Larry, John_Kemp 19:33:43 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, DKA, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:34:22 TBL: some interest in persistent domains, but probably can't do any preparation 19:34:48 DC: I might manage to do some tabulator stuff 19:35:19 HTML+RDFa, Microdata, and Canvas in HTML WG Tim Berners-Lee (Thursday, 25 February) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0871.html 19:35:20 DC: Tim, do you want to discuss some of your responses to the HTML WG? 19:36:56 NM: Tim, do you want to spend F2F time on this? 19:37:10 TBL: Don't know yet. Depends in part on wishes of the TAG. 19:37:17 Any objection to me adounring now? 19:37:27 +1 adjourn now. 19:38:26 TBL: I think we should push for distributed extensibility. 19:38:41 ciao 19:38:44 We are adjourned. 19:38:46 -DKA 19:39:06 distributed extensibility requires orthogonality of specifications 19:39:16 without it you don't have modulairity 19:39:47 gotta go, sorry 19:39:53 -jar 19:41:43 Fred Brooks, Mythical Man Month 19:42:09 big committee -> big language 19:46:31 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/02/18-minutes#item02 19:46:54 zakim, who is here? 19:46:54 On the phone I see Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, Larry, John_Kemp 19:46:56 On IRC I see bubbles, timbl, masinter, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, johnk, noah, jar, ht, DanC, ht_home, trackbot 19:48:08 -noah 19:48:15 -John_Kemp 19:56:51 -Raman 20:06:17 -Ashok_Malhotra 20:06:36 -Larry 20:06:38 -DanC 20:06:38 -Timbl 20:06:38 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended 20:06:39 Attendees were Timbl, noah, DanC, Raman, John_Kemp, Ashok_Malhotra, Jonathan_Rees, Ht, jar, DKA, Larry 21:27:10 raman has joined #tagmem 21:31:11 n 21:31:24 bubbles has left #tagmem 22:09:40 Zakim has left #tagmem