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13:30:35 <ivan> Meeting: SW CG Meeting
13:30:38 <ivan> Chair: Ivan
13:30:47 <ivan> Regrets: Tom, Michael
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13:59:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:59:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voi[
13:59:23 <Zakim> I am sorry, ivan; I do not know a number for ivan-voi[
13:59:27 <manu> zakim, I am IPcaller
13:59:27 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
13:59:35 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
13:59:35 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:59:37 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:00:07 <Zakim> +ChrisW
14:01:25 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:01:26 <Zakim> +mscottm
14:01:27 <Zakim> +[CubeSpace]
14:01:45 <jar> zakim, cubespace is jar
14:01:45 <Zakim> +jar; got it
14:05:03 <ivan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07
14:05:09 <ivan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-05
14:05:17 <mscottm> jar: 2 RFC drafts, at least 1 or both are in last call
14:06:05 <mscottm> ..these are related to linked data, and could provide a story
14:06:25 <ivan> scribenick: mscottm
14:06:30 <ivan> scribe: Scott
14:06:34 <mscottm> ..OpenID application and WebFinger is related
14:06:49 <mscottm> ..Let's start with CiteMeta and WebFinger
14:07:33 <mscottm> ..Everybody has a user id. WebFinger - Associate metadata with e-mail address.
14:08:20 <mscottm> WebFinger - take hostname out of e-mail address to recreate finger functionality
14:08:27 <jar> google for webfinger...  look google code site
14:08:42 <ivan> http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/
14:09:02 <mscottm> jar: WebFinger is from Yahoo
14:09:53 <mscottm> ..You could perform an analogous exercise with RDF, i.e. with RDF, get FOAF files
14:10:20 <mscottm> ..1 piece of metadata that you're looking for is a public key.
14:11:22 <mscottm> CalDAV and Mozilla Autoconfig are using similar mechanisms to discover metadata
14:12:19 <mscottm> jar: Next about the 'link header', for providing typed links between resources, was in http 1.0, removed in http 1.1
14:13:00 <mscottm> ..It's the essence of Semantic Web because you're linking resources (no RDF but the essence is there)
14:13:46 <jar> link: vs. <link>
14:13:50 <mscottm> ..There is a certain response 'information ???'. How do you get triples for those resources?
14:14:31 <mscottm> ..If the doc has HTML, then it may give you a linked element, that points you to further information.
14:15:01 <mscottm> ..but it is hard/impractical to get the information from the doc itself
14:15:27 <mscottm> ..If the doc is text/plain, how do you find out who the author is?
14:16:06 <mscottm> ..It helps to have them separated (link and resource type).
14:16:42 <Zakim> -ChrisW
14:16:50 <mscottm> ..One possible solution: You could use a redirect service to provide the metadata.
14:16:53 <jar> <link> element may describe the representation (content), but not the resource per se
14:19:11 <mscottm> ..So, http 'link header' is another route to get metadata and all that's needed to make it work is a simple agreement (W3C note or something).
14:19:21 <ivan> q?
14:19:26 <manu> q+
14:19:43 <manu> http://payswarm.com/specs/web-api-discovery.html
14:20:05 <jar> cool
14:20:19 <ivan> q+
14:20:36 <ivan> ack manu 
14:21:09 <mscottm> manu: [Q] We've got URL's that use a protocol, preferably using REST, maybe JSON. We're thinking about hanging an API Manifest off the web pages.
14:22:30 <mscottm> ..Keywords that are associated with different URL's via the protocol
14:23:08 <ivan> q?
14:23:16 <ivan> ack ivan
14:23:20 <manu> zakim, IPcaller is manu
14:23:20 <Zakim> +manu; got it
14:23:25 <manu> zakim, [IPcaller] is manu
14:23:25 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
14:23:34 <manu> zakim, +IPcaller is manu
14:23:34 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
14:24:48 <mscottm> ivan: [Q] You mentioned that TAG was interested by this. What is the legal status now? Could it be official in 6 months? 
14:25:24 <mscottm> jar: It's out there and waiting for recommendation.
14:26:02 <mscottm> ivan: [Q2] Let's say that I want to set up my website to return link headers. Can I do that simply with apache?
14:26:20 <mscottm> jar: I've done it in apache and it's a one liner.
14:26:55 <mscottm> s/IETF/TAG/
14:27:55 <mscottm> jar: (IETF) There was some resistance to linked header but it's been generally accepted.
14:28:26 <mscottm> ivan: manu might want to pass that on to the RDF WG.
14:28:29 <jar> some on the TAG didn't want link: to compete with <link>
14:28:32 <ivan> q?
14:28:38 <ivan> q=
14:28:57 <mscottm> All: thanks Jonathan!
14:29:03 <Zakim> -jar
14:29:13 <ivan> Topic: Admin
14:29:28 <ivan> Minutes of last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-swcg-minutes.html
14:29:51 <ivan> Topic: Next meeting
14:29:56 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
14:29:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu, Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
14:30:48 <ivan> Topic: AOB
14:31:29 <mscottm> manu: HTML 5 wanted to drop @ profile from head completely, as of last Friday that carried.
14:32:42 <mscottm> ..Julian, ???, and myself were proposing to bring profile back to HTML 5 and allow it on every element. RDFa will benefit. Microdata would probably benefit.
14:33:18 <mscottm> ivan: Noting that GRDDL becomes unusable without the @ for HTML 5
14:33:25 <manu> s/\?\?\?/Tantek/
14:33:54 <mscottm> ivan: Anything CG can/should do?
14:34:31 <mscottm> manu: We'll publish in about a month (March) so let's wait until everyone has something to consider.
14:37:29 <mscottm> scott: Shared Names is making progress on agreeing on a URI format for gene id's. Essential PURL infrastructure is almost there.
14:37:53 <mscottm> ivan: Maybe someone could talk about Shared Names at an upcoming SWCG meeting.
14:38:31 <Zakim> -manu
14:38:46 <sandro> sandro: No, RIF wont be at PR next meeting.
14:38:49 <mscottm> tx
14:38:57 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call
14:38:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
14:38:59 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
14:38:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, Sandro, mscottm
14:39:11 <ivan> rssagent, draft minutes
14:39:36 <Zakim> -mscottm
14:43:39 <Zakim> +ChrisW
14:46:15 <danbri> oh my apologies; I forgot to send regrets :(
14:47:45 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:47:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-swcg-minutes.html ivan
15:13:06 <Zakim> -ChrisW
15:31:07 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:31:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:31:08 <Zakim> SW_CG()9:00AM has ended
15:31:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, ChrisW, Sandro, mscottm, jar, manu
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