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19:03:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
19:03:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
19:03:48 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
19:03:48 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2010
19:04:29 <shepazu> no it's not...
19:06:16 <shepazu> oh, nm
19:06:25 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
19:06:25 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:06:25 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
19:06:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:06:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html trackbot
19:06:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:06:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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20:02:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
20:02:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGWG()3:00PM already started
20:02:32 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:02:32 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2010
20:02:50 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:03:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:04:18 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
20:04:22 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:06:25 <ed> topic: CSS/SVG fx taskforce
20:06:29 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0041.html
20:06:50 <Zakim> +??P12
20:07:15 <anthony> zakim, ??P12 is me
20:07:15 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
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20:13:35 <anthony> Scribe: anthony
20:13:40 <anthony> Chair: Erik
20:14:14 <anthony> DS: Called out because of loose wording for optical kerning
20:14:23 <anthony> ... for text wrapping
20:14:29 <anthony> ... I'll try to work up some diagrams
20:14:45 <anthony> ED: I would have to agree to John
20:14:53 <anthony> ... that it is a lower priority
20:15:01 <anthony> ... compared to other coordination issues
20:15:19 <anthony> DS: It still is important, so wouldn't want to bury it
20:15:56 <anthony> ED: Was hoping to have more people on the call
20:16:01 <anthony> ... might have to coordinate by email
20:17:32 <anthony> DS: With respect to priorities I could add to the charter a priority for a list of deliverables
20:17:44 <anthony> ... I could put them in an order for highest to lowest priority
20:17:55 <anthony> ED: Sounds good to me anyway
20:19:09 <anthony> AG: Might want to add wording to say that the priorities may change
20:19:24 <anthony> DS: This document can be a live document
20:19:54 <anthony> ... wouldn't be subject to the process constrains of a WG charter
20:20:40 <anthony> ... the work is in the respective charters, this is a document about how we are going to do the combined work
20:21:35 <dsinger> I think we shoulda reminded CSS (and Zakim :-()
20:22:02 <dsinger> I'm here (muted)
20:23:28 <dsinger> we are happy to talk about harmonizing 2D transforms and transitions...
20:23:44 <dsinger> 3D transforms are further off, and animations are more...controversial
20:24:01 <anthony> AG: What about 3D Transforms any common ground there?
20:24:16 <anthony> dsinger: Yes, I think the demand for them is not as high
20:25:40 <anthony> DS: How are we going to do these deliverables?
20:25:49 <anthony> ... single specification by bother groups?
20:25:55 <anthony> ... syntax for CSS & SVG?
20:26:00 <dsinger> s/bother/both/
20:26:13 <anthony> ... 2 specifications?
20:26:18 <dsinger> I really don't know!  Good questions for the list, perhaps?
20:26:35 <anthony> ... 3 specifications?
20:26:36 <Zakim> -dsinger_
20:27:13 <anthony> DS: My suggestion is one deliverable that has the SVG and CSS syntax
20:27:25 <anthony> ... since the CSS is applicable to SVG and HTML
20:27:43 <anthony> ... and the SVG may also be applicable to HTML
20:27:57 <anthony> ... not sure how the CSS WG would feel about that
20:28:10 <anthony> ED: That's a good question to put to the list
20:28:19 <anthony> ... haven't seen much activity on the list
20:28:35 <anthony> DS: I think if we start having conversations there people will start subscribing
20:28:46 <anthony> ED: Don't like the cross posting thing either
20:29:12 <anthony> DS: Maybe the first few messages we send we can BCC both CSS and SVG
20:29:32 <anthony> ... so when they reply the can reply to the list
20:30:40 <anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Send an email about the possibly of a combined specification for 2D Transforms for CSS & SVG and then a single specification for 3D Transforms
20:30:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2731 - Send an email about the possibly of a combined specification for 2D Transforms for CSS & SVG and then a single specification for 3D Transforms [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-03-01].
20:31:03 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to To email the list about canned filter effects
20:31:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2732 - To email the list about canned filter effects [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-03-01].
20:31:22 <anthony> ACTION: Doug to Respond about the optical kerning and text wrapping
20:31:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2733 - Respond about the optical kerning and text wrapping [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-01].
20:32:34 <anthony> Topic: Charter Priorities
20:32:46 <anthony> DS: Gradient and paint servers?
20:32:51 <anthony> ... I think high
20:33:01 <anthony> ED: Yes I think they are high
20:33:16 <anthony> DS: 2D Transforms/3D Transforms?
20:33:23 <anthony> AG: 2D high, 3D medium
20:33:29 <anthony> DS: Filters and Canned effects?
20:33:36 <anthony> ... high
20:33:38 <anthony> ED: I think so
20:33:53 <anthony> DS: Animations and transitions?
20:34:08 <anthony> ED: Animations high, transitions medium?
20:34:23 <anthony> DS: I think Apple want to get transitions out soon
20:34:41 <anthony> ... so Transitions high, and Animation medium
20:35:05 <anthony> DS: Parameters?
20:35:10 <anthony> ... Medium
20:35:17 <ed> s/ED: Animations high, transitions medium?/ED: Animations medium, transitions high
20:35:17 <anthony> DS: Advanced Text Layout
20:35:20 <ed> s/ED: Animations high, transitions medium?/ED: Animations medium, transitions high/
20:35:31 <anthony> ... Low
20:35:46 <anthony> DS: Content layout
20:35:55 <anthony> ... and calc
20:36:02 <anthony> ... Low/medium
20:36:50 <anthony> ED: Not sure if you saw the feedback but one of the guys implemented the image fit in Opera
20:36:56 <anthony> ... and we might need to coordinate on that
20:37:10 <anthony> ... we might have to make changes in the SVG spec as well
20:37:19 <anthony> ... but possibly it could fit everything in the SVG one
20:37:30 <ed> s/SVG one/CSS one/
20:38:12 <anthony> ED: Anything else on the list?
20:38:17 <anthony> DS: Think that's it
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20:40:15 <anthony> Topic: Test suite for 1.1se
20:40:32 <anthony> ED: I started go through the test suite and noting down the issues as I went along
20:40:39 <anthony> ... I committed a few patches
20:40:57 <anthony> ... and there are still a few issues to be sorted
20:41:08 <anthony> ... I think we should use the new pass criteria in the template
20:41:47 <anthony> AG: Do you want to email me the list of issue
20:41:54 <anthony> ... and I can start on them
20:42:08 <anthony> ED: I'll note everything down as I go along
20:43:17 <anthony> Topic: SVG 2.0
20:43:29 <anthony> DS: I successfully got a cut down version of 2.0 building
20:43:36 <anthony> ... I used SVG Tiny 1.2 as a base
20:43:41 <anthony> ... started cutting down files
20:43:46 <anthony> ... until it was working
20:43:58 <anthony> ... the actual content is not in there yet
20:44:04 <anthony> ... but I'm going to start putting that in
20:44:14 <anthony> ... there are 2 more steps I'd like to do
20:44:19 <anthony> ... integrating new syntax
20:44:35 <anthony> ... have the build system output the syntax for the proposed spec conventions
20:44:45 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/spec-conventions.html
20:45:17 <anthony> ... come up with a classification status for the section of the spec
20:45:32 <anthony> ... one class that explains where it came from - SVG 1.1 SVG Tiny 1.2
20:45:58 <anthony> ... then either changed/needs review/reviewed
20:46:13 <anthony> ... is it possible to markup with a mix of both
20:46:27 <anthony> s/... is it/ED: /
20:46:57 <anthony> DS: Say we get some stuff out of SVG Tiny 1.2. I would mark that up as needs review
20:47:14 <anthony> ... I would mark that paragraph as coming from SVG Tiny 1.2, but needs review
20:47:35 <anthony> ED: I guess that makes sense. I'm just wondering if it's going to be simple to keep track of it
20:47:50 <anthony> ... I have a feeling it will get messy as you do more editing on it
20:48:08 <anthony> DS: At as certain point it will be as complete as it can get and we can take out what the origin was
20:48:18 <anthony> ... I think it's useful to know what the origin was
20:48:31 <anthony> ... With SVG Tiny 1.2 it's missing elements and attributes
20:48:51 <anthony> ... I imagine we will need to refine this process
20:48:56 <anthony> ... but I'd like to get started
20:49:15 <anthony> ... It might be good as part of the process
20:49:29 <anthony> ... if we have a document that keeps track of what we are up to
20:50:19 <anthony> ... bit like a gotcha list
20:50:25 <anthony> ... when editing
20:50:32 <anthony> ED: Understand what you mean
20:51:00 <anthony> ... I guess we can discuss it in the next telcon if you commit it soon
20:52:13 <anthony> Topic: CSS Clip property
20:52:29 <anthony> ED: Problem is CSS changed the way the clip property between version 1 and 2
20:53:10 <anthony> ... basically we have Robert Longson saying it would be nice to have implemented only one way
20:53:45 <anthony> ... I'm not sure if Webkit does CSS clip in SVG
20:54:44 <anthony> ... Opera does implement it for SVG elements and treat the clips differently
20:55:04 <anthony> DS: Can we pick that up on Thursday?
20:55:26 <anthony> AG: Do you think it's going to be a significant change?
20:55:54 <anthony> ED: To reference CSS 2 will be a significant change
20:56:26 <anthony> ... from what I remember I think we said it would be a really big change to reference CSS 2.1
20:56:34 <anthony> DS: for SVG Tiny 1.2
20:56:46 <anthony> ED: I'm not sure if we discussed it in the context of 1.1
20:58:19 <anthony> ... I guess it will be interesting to know how bigger impact will be to change the reference
20:59:30 <anthony> ED: Want to give an action about?
20:59:38 <anthony> DS: Should raise an issue about it
20:59:43 <anthony> ED: I'll raise the issu
20:59:52 <anthony> s/issu/issue/
21:00:13 <Zakim> -ed
21:05:08 <Zakim> -anthony
21:05:14 <Zakim> -Shepazu
21:05:15 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()3:00PM has ended
21:05:17 <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger_, Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony
21:09:53 <anthony> Zakim, bye
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21:09:59 <anthony> RRSAgent, make minutes
21:09:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html anthony